Anime-Only Arcs

[[Gavo]]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.64985#comment_form

I know, I know, but those were the only examples I could find for fillers.
I enjoy Neon Genesis Evangelion and Ghost in the Shell
Also, I agree that the only anime I've seen that stuck to the manga completely was Death Note, which was awesome.

 

[Rip_shot]

well alot of people don't understand the nature of animes and thus don't like them, the animes with "horrible or confusing endings" are actually most of the time animes that end because they lose funding and can't do the next season, the mangas usually carry off from where alot of animes die out.

not all animes are "charging their attacks for 3 episodes" and Naruto and Bleach both started out good imo, I watched naruto for a long time and enjoyed most of it, same with Bleach, but I'm done watching Bleach cause they are reusing old story line templates in different settings (had to save the one chick and raid an impossible place to save them, copy and paste onto the new story line) and the new Bleach arc, WTF?!?! one day they are in where ever that spirit world place was, next episode they are all back in the real world like nothing happened just to start a really bad filler arc? WTF are you thinking?

naruto is a love hate relationship with me, when the fighting gets good and the story is USUALLY pretty interesting (I liked the fight with the giant sword guy and his side kick)

in all seriousness anime stems from a totally different culture then america, some of the stuff you have to take with a grain of salt, because thats just how thier culture is, for example, in america you have seasons which take a break over the summer months usually, but japanese anime runs none stop with no breaks, so obviously they will run out of material, sure somethings are annouying in anime, filler arcs, flash back episodes, stare down contests, bad guys spouting life stories at the drop of a hat, but there is ALOT of good anime out there aswell, if you don't like anime, thats fine, not everyone understands it or wants to understand it, and you can stick to your american movies if you like, but other people enjoy some of the new animes and old animes, and since its geared towards a more teenage audience, tends to help to be abit younger to get it lol

and this thread as turned into a talk about anime to a bashing of naruto and bleach, okay we get it, you don't like it,

 

[stompy]

By the way, what's your opinion on the new Bleach Filler? Imo, it's far better than Bount but still lacks in a lot of areas.Couldn't they just ditch that Princess-***** and focus on Amagai altogether? His episodes are getting interesting, unlike the ones in which Ichigo babysits that dumb skank.

EDIT>> And to the OP, if you hate the Bount Arc, why the fuck are you watching it? Just skip 30 episodes and move onto the proper story.It's not like you don't have a choice like with the new filler.

Gotta agree with ya. I'd prefer they focus more on Amagai. He's more interesting than the princess, and there's more action with him too.

 

[Lord Krunk]

I do have to agree, there is a good lot of movies that I did like. (Non-series based)

But if they spent less time with bullshit and fillers, anime series would be so much better.

Someone's probably going to kill me, but the Pokemon series passed the above test, where it failed; continuity.

 

[Kovash86]

I liked Bleach right up until they left the human world for the soul society, right about there was when I stopped caring, but I have followed it. I didn't like the Bount arc and I don't think I like the princess arc, from what I've heard they are treating the protagonist (Ichigo) like a 2nd class citizen despite the fact that he can kill most of them all at once and he will work for/with them since he is a decent guy.

Spoiler

I really like how all of my conversations involving a comparison of anime character powers and comic book character powers (using Justice League unlimited and the like) always have an anime fan boy trying to say the anime character in question could beat superman, sure that character can move "faster than the eye can see" that is a style thing, the Flash is the fastest creature in existence and if you don't blink you can see him unless he is going all out, but at his full speed he destroys everything of a certain durability, or lack there of (like windows, clothes, and anything not tied down under 50 lbs. will get tossed aside) I can safely say this because Goku has never ran around the world in under 30 seconds, the Flash has done it in less than 10.

 

[Eyclonus]

My favourite Anime series all lack long fillers, Samurai Champloo, Full Metal Alchemist, Cowboy Beebop, FLCL, Ghost in the Shell and Karas.

I think the reason why Bleach and Naruto have such crap fillers as even though they have guranteed funding and a large budget for every season, they have a limited budget per episode, and with the movies being made this also afffects the studios. OVAs tend to have the best production values, look at Karas.

 

[GloatingSwine]

Naruto, Bleach?

OP, you're whining about how bad anime is based on THOSE? That isn't anime, it's american audience dogshit wrapped up in japanese ink and packaged as a happy meal with fries and sodomy. What next, Sailor Moon, Inuyasha, Dragon Ball, and Gundam?

Two things:

1. They're moaning about filler, not anime in general. Shonen fighting bollocks has filler like dogs have fleas, so that's going to be the examples they draw on.

2. Naruto and Bleach are, like all the other shonen fighting bollocks, made for the Japanese market, appeal to american audiences is a distinctly secondary concern.

 

[Geoffrey42]

Ninja 1: Haha! I have you trapped. Now I shall unleash my super duper technique#1, and thus end your miserable life.

Ninja 2: Well, I shall counter your super-duper technique#1 with my own specially devised technique which just so happens to be perfect for situations like these, which I shall use to crush you!

Ninja 1: Ha! You think that will stop me? I shall counter your counter with my super overpowered pie finger technique, which will cancel out your counter and prove that I am the supreme ninja!

Ninja 2: In that case, I shall use my ultimate ninjutsu technique, wherein I shall rip out your eyes and beat you to death with your own bandana, proving that you are no match for my awesome power.

Naruto: SASUKEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This just reminded me of:
Inigo Montoya: You are using Bonetti's Defense against me, ah?
Man in Black: I thought it fitting considering the rocky terrain.
Inigo Montoya: Naturally, you must suspect me to attack with Capa Ferro?
Man in Black: Naturally... but I find that Thibault cancels out Capa Ferro. Don't you?
Inigo Montoya: Unless the enemy has studied his Agrippa... which I have.

Except that the latter is FAR superior to the former.

Also I did like Outlaw Star more than Cowboy Beebop and I am not ashamed to admit it. TAKE THAT Beebop fans!!

I will concede that Outlaw Star is better than Cowboy Beebop.

But, Cowboy Bebop? That owns all.

 

[This Person]

Well, I've got to say that if you expect anything from Bleach, you will be sadly mistaken.
The shows that have anime-only arcs are generally just trying to hang around longer so that they can suck up more consumer funds.

Except Full Metal Alchemist, which was released before the manga was finished, and had to write the stuff for themselves, with disastrous results.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Well, I've got to say that if you expect anything from Bleach, you will be sadly mistaken.
The shows that have anime-only arcs are generally just trying to hang around longer so that they can suck up more consumer funds.

Or because the animation farm releases episodes faster than the Manga artist can draw/write.

Except Full Metal Alchemist, which was released before the manga was finished, and had to write the stuff for themselves, with disastrous results.

I liked the anime, but I can't argue that the Manga is MUCH Better in pretty much every way, cooler fights, better plot, better art, creepier villains the whole shebang.

 

[tucci]

By the way: did anyone hear this terrible news, i recently found out they are releasing the atrocious (sorry if i spelled that wrong) bleach movie in english IN THEATERS. How stupid can my fellow American people be. I watched the movie halfway through and got so bored a went to do something else. I still can't believe craptacular shows get movies in theatres while good driving shows get knocked down a peg because noone cares to watch decent shows anymore all they want is colorful characters that say random stupid things to keep audiances distracted long enough to waste most of their time watching stupid fillers about secondary characters going about looking for ways to say random dialog while tossing other characters off in an orgy of pure stupidity. Trigun, Outlaw Star, Death Note, Cowboy Beebop, Wolf's Rain, Full Metal Alchemist, Samurai 7, and Samurai Champloo

 

[ABY57]

[Gavo], Your problem is that you're watching Dubbed anime. Dubbed always sucks much more than it is Raw or Subbed. What you may not know is that the Bount arc is actually completely filler, because the anime actually outran the manga at that point.

If you look at most of the fillers in that anime series, the Bount arc is the best. When I first saw it, i knew something was off, but it IS a great attempt. Trust me, if you were completely up to date on Bleach, and had seen the latest filler arc, you would be pissed...Not only did they cut into the middle of an already existing arc, the arc truly sucks more than any other arc I've seen yet.

Naruto usually adds humor into it's story, and, like I've said, dub makes it worse. If you're watching Dub, then you're in the really really long filler arc now. It's called the filler arc because it went on for a year or two...It sucked. Just wait for some of the fights when shippuden comes out in america...Very awesome, if not too much talking...

But, i'm rambling...If you don't like it, don't watch...No one's forcing you, and you have no reason to watch unless you enjoy the show or story...So...yea..

 

[[Gavo]]

[Gavo], Your problem is that you're watching Dubbed anime. Dubbed always sucks much more than it is Raw or Subbed. What you may not know is that the Bount arc is actually completely filler, because the anime actually outran the manga at that point.

If you look at most of the fillers in that anime series, the Bount arc is the best. When I first saw it, i knew something was off, but it IS a great attempt. Trust me, if you were completely up to date on Bleach, and had seen the latest filler arc, you would be pissed...Not only did they cut into the middle of an already existing arc, the arc truly sucks more than any other arc I've seen yet.

Naruto usually adds humor into it's story, and, like I've said, dub makes it worse. If you're watching Dub, then you're in the really really long filler arc now. It's called the filler arc because it went on for a year or two...It sucked. Just wait for some of the fights when shippuden comes out in america...Very awesome, if not too much talking...

But, i'm rambling...If you don't like it, don't watch...No one's forcing you, and you have no reason to watch unless you enjoy the show or story...So...yea..

Good points, I actually was watching the dubbed, then I got tired of waiting, so I switched to subbed for a while, then got bored in general, started watching samurai champloo. I also know that it's a complete filler, but for some reason i don't feel like going waaaaaay ahead...I don't know why. One last point, I watched Naruto a tiny bit (usually hate that stuff) because a friend of mine showed me a really cool fight scene on the 'net, so I'm like "Cool" and watch it on CN. You can tell what happened next.

All in all, I enjoy anime, but for manga bases ones, I usually prefer the manga because American voice acting sucks. Except for Fullmetal Alchemist. I own the whole anime, the movie, and all of the mangas so far, because they are almost completely different.

 

[Sylocat]

I had no idea there were so many others besides me who liked Outlaw Star, I thought I was the only fan on the planet. :-D I should get back to writing that sequel-fic I started years ago.

Anyway, filler episodes are, as have been said, the result of the animation studios producing episodes faster than the manga artist can write them, so eventually the adaptation catches up and has to sit around doing nothing for a while while they wait.

Fullmetal Alchemist had an interesting solution to this: When the anime caught up to the manga, Hiromu Arakawa (the artist) said that instead of making filler episodes, the director should go ahead and write the rest of the anime on his own, making up a different ending. She wanted a different ending so there'd be a reason to see the anime AND read the manga.

 

[Lord Krunk]

words...
AND AT LEAST THEY END IT!

I hate it how Japanese Anime shows go on forever, for about 300 episodes, having about 4 crappy movies, and then end, but then have yet ANOTHER series, generally involving the characters' adventures when they were kids, or as adults, depending on the circumstance.

Why I like the shows I watch.

Slayers just signed on for a fourth series, but each series ENDS. Among several subplots, the three seasons are based around four general conflicts. Each one is resolved by the end of the season (two in the first series).

Maze ends, and ends well. Zone of the Enders is ended in a way they can't do another series. Nadesico added a single movie then ended for good. Those Who Hunts Elves ends in such a way that they COULD do a third season, but never would because it would just repeat the first two.

Sorry, that was me having a rant.

But you do have to admit that a lot of anime goes the way I described.

EDIT: YAY! PRESS JUNKETEER!

 

[SilentHunter7]

Except Outlaw Star, which has the auto-win button.

I used to watch that all the time on Cartoon Network when I was younger. I didn't get most of the story, being 10 or 11 at the time. I just liked the coolness of it all. And it was a fresh change from DBZ, and having 5 minutes until the planet explodes for an entire week's worth of episodes.

 

[Girlysprite]

My first touch with anime was actually DragonballZ. You almost have to respect their ability on how long they can stretch stuff

If you liked the vagueness of the last episodes of Evangelion, try Lain. It's level of vagueness starts at the level of evangelion, and manages to becomes even more confusing. But interesting if you're one for philosophy.

I didn't get to the filler parts of Naruto yet, but I also read the manga, which helps me identify the fillers so I can skip them if it's needed.

I also wonder- has there ever been a movie based on an anime series (which mostl ikely was based on a manga) that has been genuinely good? I know a couple of series that got movie spinoffs, but the best reactions i ever heard of them from others was 'kinda ok' and 'meh'.

edit addition: I was suddenly thinking; maybe they should employ more fanfiction writers for filler arcs. Many of them can write more decent stuff then there's in those fillers, and that's saying something.

 

[N-Sef]

I've stopped watching anime altogether because of this filler nonsense, I just choose to read the manga where I get the original art and the original story and how it was ment to be represented. Sometimes I'd watch a random anime, but only if it's not based on a manga or I have some interest in it, like Persona: Trinity Soul. Anime based on long running anime (Naruto, Dragonball Z, Bleach etc etc) are usually poorly directed and are too damn long for no good reason other than making cash.

Girlysprite: The Deathnote, Saikano (She, The Ultimate Weapon), Prince of Tennis, Cromartie High School and Cutey Honey live action films are actually quite good and really enjoyable. They, for the most part, stay true to spirit of the original source material and have actors in them that resemble their anime/manga counterparts (especially Prince of Tennis and Deathnote).

 

[Kovash86]

My first touch with anime was actually DragonballZ. You almost have to respect their ability on how long they can stretch stuff

If you liked the vagueness of the last episodes of Evangelion, try Lain. It's level of vagueness starts at the level of evangelion, and manages to becomes even more confusing. But interesting if you're one for philosophy.

I didn't get to the filler parts of Naruto yet, but I also read the manga, which helps me identify the fillers so I can skip them if it's needed.

I also wonder- has there ever been a movie based on an anime series (which mostl ikely was based on a manga) that has been genuinely good? I know a couple of series that got movie spinoffs, but the best reactions i ever heard of them from others was 'kinda ok' and 'meh'.

edit addition: I was suddenly thinking; maybe they should employ more fanfiction writers for filler arcs. Many of them can write more decent stuff then there's in those fillers, and that's saying something.

First sentence: No you don't, they might make you feel that way but they don't make me feel that.

Last sentence: Appleseed, or Bubblegum crisis you take your pick.

 

[Ultrajoe]

dont get me wrong, i like some anime.

But when i say i watch it dubbed, all my anime obsessed friends go nuts

"Dude, thats stupid, its not the same!"

Really? when i want to glance at text every 3 seconds and listen to japanese voices (yeah ive got a problem with asian voices, they annoy the shit out of me and the female voices all make me want to cut my dick off, its my one prejudice so sue me) Ill watch japans equivalent of the today show and read the scroll bar.

its just inconvenient, and besides and a lot of the dubbing is well done.

forgive this rant, but they form a united front of "you are wrong for your preferences" and here i can vomit personal bile unopposed... seriously, its the internet and no one can stop me. MWAHAHAHAHAHA