Anonymous Attacks North Korea

[Lightknight]

Because of just war theory. There's nothing they can do that will make it through "Star Wars" or whatever our missle defense system in the pacific is called nowadays and once we deflect an attack we can move in with the support of pretty much everyone.

Maybe we also don't want to invade North Korea. Do they even have any oil?

Touche.

No, but they have unicorns!

Ah, then there's motivation!

just war theory.

Do you really think the U.S. gives a single shit about that? We didn't have a problem preemptive striking the shit out of Iraq.

Also, I think there's a lot less controversy even if we attacked first. China is supposedly their ally and they've moved troops to the border, and I don't think they're going to be supporting North Korea. They are the most destabilizing influence in Asia and no one likes that. China particularly doesn't like the threats against the U.S. After all, we're essentially economically codependent.

The Iraq War was an interesting one. Some very powerful people forced that action and we lost a lot of cred in doing so. But I made two points in that post, not just "Just War Theory". The other point: "Maybe we also don't want to invade North Korea. Do they even have any oil?" is regarding the understanding that the North Korean nation doesn't really have anything we don't already have in spades. That backhanded comment I made about them not having oil was to imply that any possible second motivation (greed/longstanding rivalry/etc) isn't there either specifically like there was in Iraq. So I certainly wasn't being forgetful there.

But yes, the US does care about how the international community views us. Beating the crap out of such a weak nation for posing (and that is what they're doing, they cannot harm us as far as we can tell) would be the equivalent of international bullying without them striking or trying to strike first. This is why the US tried to claim that Iraq had all kinds of dangerous weapons so that they looked like a major threat and then once we moved in it was too late. Someone in power just really wanted to kick their ass in my opinion and that person has US blood and debt on their hands, not to mention Iraqi blood.

 

[Yokillernick]

I'm terribly sorry but this just seems to go so well with what you just said and it also kind of explains NK's positions at the moment.

You're comparing what I said to COD?

To iterate what I said in a simplified way; Nobody wants a war. The U.S tried to invade NK during the 1950s which also NK never officially declared peace therefore they've stayed in a state of war. Like a victim of a bully, all it takes is one final straw to erupt.

I'm not comparing what you said to CoD, God no! I'm just pointing out that part of what you said is dead similar to the video that's all.

 

[Jeno.K]

Now if they would only reveal the locations of the cyberwarfare cells in China and the list of all North Korean operatives in South Korea...

 

[Senare]

Screw nuclear conflict - those things can easily end up in global extermination. It is more appropriate if China steps down on North Korea softly enough that they will not lose face, then convincing them to proceed to becoming a better nation. (Why China? I have heard that North Korea has the best relations with China.) Remember World War 1 and the minimal excuse they needed to escalate into a multinational war? I certainly do not want that part of history repeating itself with nuclear armaments in tow.

The anon attack itself is understandable but ultimately disappointing. There are much better and subversive messages that you can send to North Korea or troll them with given their state of censorship. (Coming from a tinfoil hat perspective it could however be an excellent trolling of the rest of the world if the attack itself is a hoax.)

 

[MopBox]

I love all you people assuming Anonymous is going to start a war here, as if anyone ever is going to let North Korea launch a nuke.

You're silly, but really Anonymous is going to be doing little to nothing against Korea, so calm down kids.

Agreed! little to no effect. But it'll sure be a lot fun to watch what the anons cook up.

 

[GamerAddict7796]

If China decide to continue their support of North Korea then this can go tits up very quickly. Fallout is becoming truer than we were expecting.

 

[Lightknight]

If China decide to continue their support of North Korea then this can go tits up very quickly. Fallout is becoming truer than we were expecting.

I think China would ditch North Korea in a heartbeat. From the looks of China's military movement it looks like they're gearing up to invade North Korea if they do anything too dumb. China and America may disagree with eachother in a lot of ways, but we are financially married and everything. China will totally let us spank their children for disobeying us and especially attacking us.

 

[Scrythe]

Remember back when Anonymous, once and for all, totally destroyed the infamous Zeta [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/02/anonymous-vs-zetas_n_1071767.html] cartel?

Me neither.

 

[Li Mu]

Mickey Lover?
Would this be referring to Kim Jong Il's oldest son Kim Jong Nam, who tried to get into Japan on a fake passport to visit Disneyland? If it is...they clearly have the wrong Jong Brother.

 

[Carnagath]

Throwing rocks at the hornet's nest again, eh Anonymous?
Not sure what defacing their social networks will accomplish...

Incidentally: If North Korea fires one nuke, anywhere, whether it hits or not, North Korea will cease to exist within the year.

As a non-American, I find this hilarious, it's all a huge publicity stunt on North Korea's end, although I'm not sure exactly what they are trying to accomplish. Maybe there's a lot of political pressure on Kim, or he is trying to appear strong to people who are plotting to succeed him, but that's all hypothetical. The only thing I'm sure of is that even he wouldn't be retarded enough to launch a couple of missiles against the US, which will be countermeasured before they get anywhere close and immediately trigger a response that would erase the island off the map within hours.

 

[IrishSkullpanda]

There is an honestly disturbing amount of people in this thread calling for the decimation of a country purely because of the unfortunate circumstances regarding being ruled by a dictatorship.

If America (and I know how ridiculous this will sound but honestly bear with me here) was to be ruled by a dictatorship, would you, the innocent civilians in appalling living conditions, want to be obliterated purely because you happened to be trapped there?

 

[Jedi-Hunter4]

I'm baffled as to why we're just sitting around waiting for them to throw the first punch.

because they are incapable of throwing a nuclear "first punch". They are saber rattling and if they decide to invade the south it wont take long to sort out.

I don't know. If they launch any kind of nuke it will have a swift resolve and N Korea will cease to exist pretty quick as there is only really one come back.

However if they invade the south, nobody is going to use nukes. N Korea is meant to have around 10 million fighting troops that's around 5 times the size of the US military and double the size of South Korea. An it's not like the US doesn't have troops tied up over the entire world....or need a massive amount of troops at home just to secure the borders.

People forget North Korea is essentially a nation of peasants BUT they are controlled by an elitist heirachy including a very large military that are well fed, fanatical and trained soldiers (maybe not battle harded and trained like delta's or SAS but trained). Even if you assume Every US & Korean soldier involved is superior when they have that many troops it's not going to be a walk over. An the US didn't exactly win the last Korean war, infact they nearly lost the whole country.

I mean you only have to look at what the germans and russians did with conscripts who had 0 training in WW2 it's a brutal method that cares f all for lives but if you have enough troops you can wipe out supposedly superior forces.

 

[Danny Ocean]

I can't imagine the U.S. having much interest in stopping it

They will definately have an interest in stopping it. This is going to make the jobs of the real-life diplomats- y'know, the ones who are risking their lives [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/05/north-korea-missiles-embassy-threats] by going into that fucking country, so much harder.

For god sake Anon, leave this one to the professionals, lest you run the risk of getting them killed. Surely even you (if you're reading) with the hardcore libertarian ideals have to agree that diplomats are not worthy of your scorn?

I'm normally all for Anon's intervention in a lot of civil-type things, and the way they got the internet going during The Arab Spring was great, but this is really treading on a minefield. What if these people do actually hear your call and rise up to fight the regime, huh? Millions will die. You can't actually hold people's hands through the internet when they've got an army bearing down on them and all the power lines have been cut.

Only naive idealists would support a move like this.

It smacks of trying to look like you're helping without actually helping.

Or at least, I'd like them to tell me how they think this would help.

 

[airrazor7]

North Korea needs a history lesson in World War II. It would be nice for that nation and its leaders to learn the lesson of "poking a sleeping bear" without them having to learn that first hand.

If they start a global incident by attacking us or anyone else, sure, a few hundred or thousand lives will be lost. Yet, they should know that in the quick retaliation, they will lose everything and everyone and no one will mourn for them. Like the more sane version of the Illusive Man, I'm all for the advancement of all humanity, no matter the ethnicity, background, country of origin etc. However, if you poke a bear, you're asking for it.

 

[The Random One]

threatening the U.S. with a nuclear attack, which it seems more capable than ever of actually carrying out.

If I smashed up the three burnt fluorescent lamps I have at home to get less than a hundreth of a gram of krypton-85, I too would be more capable of carrying out a nuclear attack against the US than I had ever before, and also more capable of doing so than North Korea.

 

[FalloutJack]

Anonymous, in another attempt to look relevent, attacks an entire country with really childish shit that could make the right kind of maniac go off and kill people. Now, I'm not saying that NK will fire nukes at the U.S., but anything North Korea decides to do because of 'hacking infiltrators' is on the heads of Anon and thus making them war criminals. Chances are, though, they're still just full of themselves and nothing will happen.

 

[amuasyeas]

Who the hell is Anonymous? That name seems to be the identity of any childish hacker. I go onto /pol/ and /v/ regularly and I never hear a word about hacking NK websites.

 

[viranimus]

Lovely thought. Lets poke the irrational boy pig with new nuke toys with a stick of showing his countries technological inferiority. Surely that will end well, amirite?

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

I think this is appropriate here:

Spoiler

 

[the doom cannon]

Not concerned. Do you guys remember their test launch? Yea didn't work. They may have nuclear warheads, but they're not going anywhere anytime soon