True. I had massive troubles signing in two days prior to the beginning of these attacks. If I'd signed in the right day, I'd think "business as usual."mireko said:
Anonymous Halts Sony Attacks Affecting PSN Users
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Why? What makes people keep thinking these companies care about Anon? I know Anonymous acts like they're the deadly grim reapers of the internet but honestly they're just a bunch of punks who have never had a serious effect on anything.Selvec said:
Bets Anon keeps PSN down to make it look like Sony is making it look like they broke their word?Selvec said:
OT: I don't really get the about face. Attacking PSN affects it's users? Shocker! Either there is a tactical genius here I'm not seeing or Anon just backed down from a dick move (mark the date on the calender this is history in the making).
No it's not? What they're doing is stupid anyways, it can only make things worse and is someone who as affected and couldn't get on yesterday before work, when I had time, I was kinda pissed. Some crap press release doesn't get me the free time I find after class and before work back.endnuen said:
That's easy to say since it didn't directly affect you.
Perhaps. It was only an example though. I'm sure they can figure something out.RejjeN said:
Also: [obligatory joke about how PSN is already completely unreliable]
But I don't know how much they'd be hurting Sony by doing that then. They would probably get the public opinion turned against them if they did.le picklez said:
Anon has no official position on the lulz.
Anon has a very official position on pretending they matter.
Anon has a very official position on pretending they matter.
Then read a book.Frostbite3789 said:
No it didn't affect me, since I was probably studying during the downtime. But seriously, not being able to accept an apology is just small. Seriously, are you going to die any time soon? I'm sure you will get plenty of play time before that happens.
Christ some people have small shoes..
This doesn't change my opinion of Anonymous. They're still just a bunch of thugs for whom I have no respect and give no support; never have and likely never will. I find it impossible to trust or have respect for "crusaders" who hide behind masks in the safety of the basement of their Fortress of Solitude on the distant island of LaLaLand, while commanding robots in orbit to launch random attacks on whomever they don't like at the moment. That kind of justice is just cowardly whim, in my opinion, and it's the kind of thing I don't see being good for society as a whole. It's basically a form of terrorism.
And what did they expect would happen by taking down PSN? Did they really think that the millions of innocents caught in the crossfire would love them for that? Blowing up the house to kill a rat is not a sound strategy. Adding to this that they plan on attacking executives and their families, both of whom may not have had anything to do with recent events, is just plain wrong. They're same as the very tyrants they seek to depose, if not worse.
And what did they expect would happen by taking down PSN? Did they really think that the millions of innocents caught in the crossfire would love them for that? Blowing up the house to kill a rat is not a sound strategy. Adding to this that they plan on attacking executives and their families, both of whom may not have had anything to do with recent events, is just plain wrong. They're same as the very tyrants they seek to depose, if not worse.
Well, that would explain why I couldn't get on the thing yesterday. I didn't think much of it since I was mostly playing single player games anyway.
Interesting, and I suppose it's good if you want to game, but I do have to wonder what Anonymous hopes to accomplish then. Really the only way to get to a company like Sony is through it's profits and abillity to promote it's brand, that means having to terrorize and drive away the customers.
I don't want to be on the receiving end of this when I try and game of course, I'm just speaking conceptually here. Simply harassing executives and such accomplishes very little since these guys are getting paid big bucks in part to endure things like that. They can "take it" because they are ater all very, very rich from doing what they do.
I can see where Anonymous is coming from of course, but in general accomplishing anything through antiseptic means when it comes to organizations like nations and large companies is nearly impossible. The trick to a campaign like this, if you want it to work, is to terrorize the regular people and show that the group your targeting can't protect them, and since nobody can stop you, to get the people to go after them as a way of making you stop.
I won't get into the morality of this, simply the effectiveness. It also all comes down to your abillity to erase hope (ie it doesn't work if people think they can viably oppose you or simply avoid your attention), and of course you not caring what people think of you in pursuit of your goals.
As odd as this sounds, it seems to get to the heart of the whole "Old Anon Vs. New Anon" thing. This level of courtasy is a heck of a lot less terrifying than a group that is willing to decimate an entire goverment to make a point, and demonstrates the abillity to do things like take the Australian goverment offline for nearly an hour despite the declaration that they were coming.
I don't want to be on the receiving end of this when I try and game of course, I'm just speaking conceptually here. Simply harassing executives and such accomplishes very little since these guys are getting paid big bucks in part to endure things like that. They can "take it" because they are ater all very, very rich from doing what they do.
I can see where Anonymous is coming from of course, but in general accomplishing anything through antiseptic means when it comes to organizations like nations and large companies is nearly impossible. The trick to a campaign like this, if you want it to work, is to terrorize the regular people and show that the group your targeting can't protect them, and since nobody can stop you, to get the people to go after them as a way of making you stop.
I won't get into the morality of this, simply the effectiveness. It also all comes down to your abillity to erase hope (ie it doesn't work if people think they can viably oppose you or simply avoid your attention), and of course you not caring what people think of you in pursuit of your goals.
As odd as this sounds, it seems to get to the heart of the whole "Old Anon Vs. New Anon" thing. This level of courtasy is a heck of a lot less terrifying than a group that is willing to decimate an entire goverment to make a point, and demonstrates the abillity to do things like take the Australian goverment offline for nearly an hour despite the declaration that they were coming.
Aaron Barr, CEO of HBGary lost his job because of them. He was also performing less than legal searches and planned on selling poor information to the FBI. They saved tax payers a fair amount of cash by outing a fraud and cost a corrupt business millions of dollars.ArmorArmadillo said:
I'd say that is pretty big.
To be honest though, I don't see the same happening to Sony. What I do see happening is that a lot of attention gets paid to the way Sony plans on treating customers who purchase their products.
Anon seem very effective at drawing attention to unwholesome individuals and companies, I think thats a good thing. The hyperbole of their messages is just plain funny though.
I'm glad that they're drawing attention to this issue, I think it should make more people aware of big companies trying to throw their weight around unnecessarily.
Um... My question is "WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?!"
Let's say rogers mobile acts in a "wholly unacceptable" manner and I hack their networks... Can I really claim to be surprised when suddenly no one can send texts or make phone calls?
What did anonymous think would happen if they fucked with the PSN server?
Let's say rogers mobile acts in a "wholly unacceptable" manner and I hack their networks... Can I really claim to be surprised when suddenly no one can send texts or make phone calls?
What did anonymous think would happen if they fucked with the PSN server?
Another reason why I don't ever support Anon. Anon is like an unguided SCUD missile. Sure it'll hit in the general vicinity of their target but they'll always damage the wrong people at the same time.
Hey Anon? Yeah, maybe it's time to not act like 3 year olds whenever something you don't like happens.
Hey Anon? Yeah, maybe it's time to not act like 3 year olds whenever something you don't like happens.
I dont think there's a way of attacking them that doesn't affect their customers since the company activities is to provide services and products to customers so they would need to do something that doesn't affect their activities and if that exists then i dont think they would care that much.
This is war, there has to be some (temporal) casualties.
This is war, there has to be some (temporal) casualties.