Anonymous Strikes Again

[johnzaku]

EDIT: ah well, others made my point before me and a little clearer too.

I dunno, on of the guys I work for is Greek, and he's terrified for his friends and family back home.

At least Anon is trying to help instead of doing this for fun. They're getting te message out

 

[esperandote]

I wasn't suggesting it very seriously but...

That would put them into so much shit that they'd better just do what Anon says. Also, it wouldn't accomplish anything.

It would acomplish keeping Anon out.

Furthermore, shutting down the internet, would be a huge amount of work. Basically, Greece should go to each ISP and demand them to stop working.

They dont need to go to each ISP the just need to pass a law and each ISP would have to do it.

Also, you know that huge amount of work - it would be against the law as well. The UN have stated (or suggested, I'm not sure) that the access to internet is a human right. And if the government takes it away would be an enormous offence.

Not as important than creating jobs and apparently they aren't doing that either.

And finally, the government would be sued so hard that I doubt any lawyer would dare say anything less than "My clients plead guilty and would like at least double the punishment you're thinking of." Businesses and people all rely in the Internet.

Apparently even though they are in such an economic problem everyone has internet.

Even the government does. So, no email, no world wide web, no Steam, no nothing. The population and Anon themselves would be pissed.

They could use a substitute, something like a VPN but that doesn't rely on the internet, I'm not sure what that could be. Steam isn't a basic need.

 

[Akio91]

Okay, do we have any proof at all that this is Anonymous' fault?

 

[Bloodtrozorx]

Anonymous Strikes Again

Are you sure that's Anonymous and not just anonymous? I'm pretty sure Anonymous have other places to be at the moment, like Virginia.

What'd I miss in Virginia now?

Not much, Virginia is really quite a boring place, not as bad as Ohio though

Add Maryland to that list of boring places.

I don't see the point in kicking Greece. I think the Greek people have more important issues then LOIC being used on some government website.

 

[Denariax]

Okay, do we have any proof at all that this is Anonymous' fault?

There's never proof that Anonymous is involved because the actual Anon wouldn't be stupid enough to leave proof.

 

[Akio91]

Okay, do we have any proof at all that this is Anonymous' fault?

There's never proof that Anonymous is involved because the actual Anon wouldn't be stupid enough to leave proof.

So, going off nothing, we're claiming that Anonymous has committed a crime that they most likely didn't do?

 

[Denariax]

Okay, do we have any proof at all that this is Anonymous' fault?

There's never proof that Anonymous is involved because the actual Anon wouldn't be stupid enough to leave proof.

So, going off nothing, we're claiming that Anonymous has committed a crime that they most likely didn't do?

Yeah, pretty much, but thats what we've always done anyways.

 

[DoPo]

I wasn't suggesting it very seriously but...

That would put them into so much shit that they'd better just do what Anon says. Also, it wouldn't accomplish anything.

It would acomplish keeping Anon out.

So what? Instead of Anonymous taking down websites, there would be no websites at all. It would be like closing all airports so nobody could call with a bomb threat and close them. It's utterly and completely useless and counter productive.

And Anon would just point and laugh while surfing the internetz because they are not in Greece. Most of them, at least.

Furthermore, shutting down the internet, would be a huge amount of work. Basically, Greece should go to each ISP and demand them to stop working.

They dont need to go to each ISP the just need to pass a law and each ISP would have to do it.

Let's leave aside the fact that the law would need time and effort to come in place. How do you think that would work? How exactly would the government say "internet must stop" and everybody will agree? Did you see SOPA/PIPA/ACTA? That law would be worse than all of them combined and multiplied. Not to mention that it's against a whole lot of other laws. There is simply now way for this to happen quietly nor to convince ISPs to stop working.

Also, you know that huge amount of work - it would be against the law as well. The UN have stated (or suggested, I'm not sure) that the access to internet is a human right. And if the government takes it away would be an enormous offence.

Not as important than creating jobs and apparently they aren't doing that either.

Yes, let's say they aren't creating jobs. With this, they would destroy jobs. Like utterly annihilate some of them. By "enormous offence" I mean the UN can just say "you are morons and that law is illegal" and stop it. Also it would probably cost the positions, good name, maybe health and lives of the people who try to vote it in.

And finally, the government would be sued so hard that I doubt any lawyer would dare say anything less than "My clients plead guilty and would like at least double the punishment you're thinking of." Businesses and people all rely in the Internet.

Apparently even though they are in such an economic problem everyone has internet.

I...know what you're talking about. I doubt you do either.

Even the government does. So, no email, no world wide web, no Steam, no nothing. The population and Anon themselves would be pissed.

They could use a substitute, something like a VPN but that doesn't rely on the internet, I'm not sure what that could be. Steam isn't a basic need.

(bolded is mine)

What? How? What? I'm sorry but you don't really understand anything you're talking about. I don't for sure but nor do you.

 

[manic_depressive13]

Ministry of Justice? Is that beside the Ministry of Peace and the Ministry of Truth?

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

What'd I miss in Virginia now?

I don't own a tv, and I find most of the news depressing.

I can completely agree with that. In all seriousness thought, did something really happen?

Not much, Virginia is really quite a boring place, not as bad as Ohio though

Here's the headline you should be looking for:
Virginia Governor Backs Off 'State-Sponsored Rape' Ultrasound Bill

Basically, anyone wanting an abortion is required to have an invasive ultrasound. Anonymous, being Pro-Choice, are quite upset about this.

 

[cora mcstrap]

God if i see 1 more thread about these Hackers scum i think I'll freak. No wonder governments want to legislate the internet when you have idiots like this acting like they owe it. The best thing Anon can do for the internet is disappear and never show their ugly heads again.

 

[Akio91]

Okay, do we have any proof at all that this is Anonymous' fault?

There's never proof that Anonymous is involved because the actual Anon wouldn't be stupid enough to leave proof.

So, going off nothing, we're claiming that Anonymous has committed a crime that they most likely didn't do?

Yeah, pretty much, but thats what we've always done anyways.

Well, maybe if you guys stopped doing that, we wouldn't have such beautifully uninformed statements as:

God if i see 1 more thread about these Hackers scum i think I'll freak. No wonder governments want to legislate the internet when you have idiots like this acting like they owe it. The best thing Anon can do for the internet is disappear and never show their ugly heads again.

Anonymous, at it's core, is better for the internet than people believe.

 

[kasperbbs]

DO WHAT WE WANT OR WE WILL TAKE DOWN SOME RANDOM GOVERNMENT WEBSITE THAT PROBABLY NOONE VISITS ANYWAY *evil laugh*. No, seriously, does anyone else think this is ridiculous?

 

[cora mcstrap]

Anonymous, at it's core, is better for the internet than people believe.

I disagree completely. How can a group of people who only person is to try and force people to agree with then or have their websites 404'ed be a good thing. It's like an internet protection racket. I mean look at it. What have the Greeks done to deserve 1 of their websites attacked. If they have attacked a German website i might be less annoyed.

The EU is doing a lot to keep the internet free (much to America's dislike) and thats still not good enough for ill-informed children that make up Anon

 

[Akio91]

Anonymous, at it's core, is better for the internet than people believe.

I disagree completely. How can a group of people who only person is to try and force people to agree with then or have their websites 404'ed be a good thing. It's like an internet protection racket. I mean look at it. What have the Greeks done to deserve 1 of their websites attacked. If they have attacked a German website i might be less annoyed.

The EU is doing a lot to keep the internet free (much to America's dislike) and thats still not good enough for ill-informed children that make up Anon

I'm pretty sure that you have no clue what you're talking about. I have yet to see any proof that this is Anonymous, and at this point, all you guys are doing is slinging shit. If it really were Anonymous, they'd have a good reason to do it and would take credit for it.

 

[esperandote]

So what? Instead of Anonymous taking down websites, there would be no websites at all. It would be like closing all airports so nobody could call with a bomb threat and close them. It's utterly and completely useless and counter productive.

I didn't suggest they shut down the internet to prevent Anon to take down their websites, don't be silly. I suggested it to prevent anon to delete Greeks citizens revenue debts but apparently you're unawere of that part or choosed not to acknowledge it.

Let's leave aside the fact that the law would need time and effort to come in place. How do you think that would work? How exactly would the government say "internet must stop" and everybody will agree? Did you see SOPA/PIPA/ACTA? That law would be worse than all of them combined and multiplied. Not to mention that it's against a whole lot of other laws. There is simply now way for this to happen quietly nor to convince ISPs to stop working.

Anyone would agree I'm sure but companies would have to do it even if they don't agree. I what the public do, riots? as it would be any different from now.

I...know what you're talking about. I doubt you do either.

I do, and when I'm not sure it mention it. Glad that's clarified

(bolded is mine)

What? How? What? I'm sorry but you don't really understand anything you're talking about. I don't for sure but nor do you.[/quote]

I understand and if you don't then there's no case in replying to you.

Spoiler

See what i did there? I ignored the part where you had a point about losing jobs like you ignored some of my points.

Just to clarify, I'm actually on Anon's side on this i just barely seriously suggested what the Greek goverment could do to prevent their attack.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

I doubt anon even have a clue about whats happening in Greece and the complicated issue the government is facing making cuts or going bankrupt and how the every day greek person is suffering. I find it funny that shutting down a website is some how meant to help the greek people? lol.

Im waiting for anon to deal with the israel/palestine problem, Iran, terrorism, North Korea, Afghanistan and every other trouble spot with a "Do what we say or we will shut down a page for a hour" its like something out of Austin Powers.

 

[DoPo]

So what? Instead of Anonymous taking down websites, there would be no websites at all. It would be like closing all airports so nobody could call with a bomb threat and close them. It's utterly and completely useless and counter productive.

I didn't suggest they shut down the internet to prevent Anon to take down their websites, don't be silly. I suggested it to prevent anon to delete Greeks citizens revenue debts but apparently you're unawere of that part or choosed not to acknowledge it.

It does not matter. There are better ways to protect a bunch of numbers from locking them away in a room and throwing the key. Because this is what you're suggesting, essentially. Multiply redundant offline backups, rings a bell?

Let's leave aside the fact that the law would need time and effort to come in place. How do you think that would work? How exactly would the government say "internet must stop" and everybody will agree? Did you see SOPA/PIPA/ACTA? That law would be worse than all of them combined and multiplied. Not to mention that it's against a whole lot of other laws. There is simply now way for this to happen quietly nor to convince ISPs to stop working.

Anyone would agree I'm sure but companies would have to do it even if they don't agree. I what the public do, riots? as it would be any different from now.

More than riots. And as I said, I was ignoring the fact that it would take time to happen. I don't understand why you keep thinking that the government would simply be allowed to do it. It's against lots of other laws. It's worse than SOPA and it's possible that the entire world will rise against it. Like they did with SOPA.

I...know what you're talking about. I doubt you do either.

I do, and when I'm not sure it mention it. Glad that's clarified

If you really wish so, here:

And finally, the government would be sued so hard that I doubt any lawyer would dare say anything less than "My clients plead guilty and would like at least double the punishment you're thinking of." Businesses and people all rely in the Internet.

Apparently even though they are in such an economic problem everyone has internet.

Why. Why would economic problems mean losing access to the Internet? And what does this have to do with businesses/people on the Internet? Help me understand why the thing you are saying makes any sense. Greece also have public transportation, so should they stop that because they have economic problems? No, denying people internet access would cost them money and put them in even more shit than before (aside the legal one). Furthermore, the government doesn't own internet access, so it's not like they can just pull the plug if they don't have the money.

See what i did there? I ignored the part where you had a point about losing jobs like you ignored some of my points.

I'm "ignoring" them those points made no sense. I'll state it plainly: Greece cannot shut down the Internet of the entire damn country. It is not possible legally, it's not possible because of the side effects, it's not possible because it's stupid. And you keep talking about it casually as if it's going to happen.

Just to clarify, I'm actually on Anon's side on this i just barely seriously suggested what the Greek goverment could do to prevent their attack.

I don't take a side. I just think that realistically suggesting "Greece should shut down internet" is the stupidest thing I heard this week. It's still Wednesday.

 

[esperandote]

It does not matter. There are better ways to protect a bunch of numbers from locking them away in a room and throwing the key. Because this is what you're suggesting, essentially. Multiply redundant offline backups, rings a bell?

That makes more sense, you should have started there. I was already thinking something along those lines too.

Why. Why would economic problems mean losing access to the Internet? And what does this have to do with businesses/people on the Internet? Help me understand why the thing you are saying makes any sense.

I don't see what's so hard to understand that economics issues can lead to not being able to pay internet bills.

 

[DoPo]

It does not matter. There are better ways to protect a bunch of numbers from locking them away in a room and throwing the key. Because this is what you're suggesting, essentially. Multiply redundant offline backups, rings a bell?

That makes more sense, you should have started there. I was already thinking something along those lines too.

But you said "shut down Internet". That is not and will never be the way to do it. Unless Skynet attacks, or something. Taking down the government's web pages to remove the targets is slightly more sensible but even then it's really, really unlikely. Even that page that got attacked is still online. Sort of, but still online.

Why. Why would economic problems mean losing access to the Internet? And what does this have to do with businesses/people on the Internet? Help me understand why the thing you are saying makes any sense.

I don't see what's so hard to understand that economics issues can lead to not being able to pay internet bills.

Because the ones who cannot afford it will not, however, the people that need the Internet, they will pay for Internet. I said they "depend" on it. True, not all of the people but enough. If you're a business that is on there, you will not possibly drop your access. And most businesses depend on the Internet in one form or another. The Net has gone from a commodity to a standard and not paying for it may be as bad as not having a car. Sure, not everyone needs one but there are enough who do.

Besides, the crisis is portrayed a bit excessively. It's not that there isn't a crisis, it's the fact that not every single person is now broke. They still have the means to pay but they can afford less. Internet is not really one of the first things to go when you cut the costs. Been there, done that.