Anonymous' Target Planned to "Take Down" WikiLeaks

[SomeUnregPunk]

Besides the fact that forging 60,000 emails as well as PDFs, Word docs, and presentations is ridiculous, it is not Anonoymous' modus operandi to think the way these mooks do. I don't know about you, but claiming that the information is false is disingenuous. It's clearly a deliberate attempt to discredit Anonymous that's worthy of the way these guys think, say, like proposing to do the same thing with a liberal reporter

You do not need to forge 60k documents to create propaganda. You just need to forge a few and splice it into the mess. Allowing the people misinform themselves.

I'm not saying that is what Anon did... I'm just presenting your flaw in your thinking.

I have seen this stuff happen when politics with racial agenda cross heads with mom & pop stores opening in the "wrong" racial sector.

 

[Unca Bob]

If those damn pollies and legitimate biznessmen are so worried about being exposed in this manner than should really get the spinal surgery done so that they can pull their heads out. Then with their view much less impaired they might see that engaging in the activities that draw in those like Anon' is a bad idea. Just sayin'...

 

[AnonOperations]

And here we get to the true motives behind what HBGary Federal Did.

I have been sucked up for the last, seems like almost 2 weeks working the law firm deal. The potential is huge for us. We are starting the pilot this week, 50K effort. After the pilot the end customer gets briefed. We were talking to the senior partner of the law firm on Friday and he wants a firm fixed price by month for 6 months and the figure we have come to settle on is $2M per month for the 3 team members. That will equal $500-$700K for HBG Federal, thats per month. We still need to close it, so I am spending most of my time making sure we blow them away and get the funding. Other stuff happening, but thats the main focus for me.

I am starting to develop my business plan for execution if we get that funding, first thing will be to hire key people and then start working on developing IP related to social media.
Aaron Barr
CEO
HBGary Federal, LLC
719.510.8478

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

Am I on another goverment watch list for reading this article?

 

[LiftYourSkinnyFists]

Anonymous are just a prime example of good in the world :- )

 

[dmase]

I wonder how many mistress that alex Karp guy has to sever ties so quickly.

This story is getting very good but if this is like all those crazy stories about the indepent radical group saving people from tyrany the next step is framing them for an immoral attack. The people lose their faith in the group and a witch hunt for its memebers are next!!!

 

[Darkauthor81]

This will get turned into a movie at some point.

 

[ryo02]

now they REALLY need to invent mecha so the corporations can hire mercenaries that pilot them ... so the age of Ravens can begin.

until a single nameless (anonymous) Raven brings them all crashing down.
(hurray for armoured core)

 

[samonix]

this is one of my favorite things ever. long live the underdog.

 

[Sheaphard117]

Woot! Go Anon!

 

[LCP]

Who wants popcorn? this will get messy!

 

[CarpathianMuffin]

I think I'll read into it more later. Yay Anonymous, seriously.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

If we are to report about the news, could we please do so without the profanity and obvious editorial bias? You know, I used to read The Escapist every day, almost religiously, but this kind of sensationalist biased reporting puts me off it lately. It reminds me far too much of FOX News.

Neither side is in the right here. Neither is doing the morally correct or upstanding thing. We are essentially watching a bunch of children trying to say they're better than the other kids. And I say children because that's how it comes off - insecure and immature.

 

[AnonOperations]

If we are to report about the news, could we please do so without the profanity and obvious editorial bias? You know, I used to read The Escapist every day, almost religiously, but this kind of sensationalist biased reporting puts me off it lately. It reminds me far too much of FOX News.

Neither side is in the right here. Neither is doing the morally correct or upstanding thing. We are essentially watching a bunch of children trying to say they're better than the other kids. And I say children because that's how it comes off - insecure and immature.

Listen to the Anonymous Phone conference with Aaron Barr. Tell me which one you think comes off as a whiny child.
http://piratepad.net/HBGary

 

[-|-]

People are too used of being fucked in the butt, that they fear the life without a plug in their hainy.

Wierd twisted stockholm syndrome.

Yep, most people have been conditioned so that they will not only accept a corrupt system, they will actively defend it. Usually with something naive that pretends to be cynical such as 'I knew they were corrupt, so what's the point of this' - it's incredibly idiotic, and it amazes me that people have been manipulated to he point where they think it's acceptable.

 

[tsb247]

Anonymous will not nor will ever be honorable in any sense. They are assholes first and foremost, any good things that come from their activities are mere coincidence.

A slightly lesser form of this argument goes for Julian Assuange and Wikileaks,they are attentionwhores looking for 15 minutes and anything that comes from it that's positive is mere coincidence.

You are absolutely right. Listening to that socially inept kid on the BBC, coldsomething, made me cringe, it really is about the 15 minutes of fame. And yeh they'll take down anything or do anything to anyone regardless if its a good or bad thing to do.

Also can we please stop with all these 'Anonymous are heroes' articles, its getting boring and sad.

I agree with all of what you said. It seems to me like they stopped playing, "Robin Hood," a long time ago, and are now in it simply for power.

According to this article Here:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/02/how-one-security-firm-tracked-anonymousand-paid-a-heavy-price.ars/3

Anon is attempting to extort HBGary now that their attack succeeded.

"When Leavy showed up to plead her case, asking Anonymous to at least stop distributing the e-mails, the hivemind reveled in its power over Leavy and her company, resorting eventually to tough demands against Barr.

'Simple: fire Aaron, have him admit defeat in a public statement,' said Topiary, when asked what the group wanted. "We won't bother you further after this, but what we've done can't be taken back. Realize that, and for the company's sake, dispose of Aaron.'

Others demanded an immediate 'burn notice' on Barr and donations to Bradley Manning, the young military member now in solitary confinement on suspicion of leaking classified documents to Wikileaks."

It's one thing to expose a conspiracy, but it is something completely different to attempt to exploit it.

As for their attacking Bank of America, what about the millions of Americans who keep their money there; those innocent people who simply want to live thier lives and have no knowledge of Bank of America's dealings?

These people aren't heroes in any sense of the word. They are attempting to create chaos where none exists. They seem to be the very definition of, "cyber terrorists," to me.

The attack any entity they don't agree with, and they make demands. If their demands aren't met, they continue their attacks. How is that honorable in any way?

 

[Hucket]

Really Wikileaks is a progressive group? its a subversive group. What good comes from revealing these files? It is in no way creating a more open society, if anything this has caused an increase in attempts to maintian these secrets. And if you look at my other posts on this thread (responding to a different poster) you'll see my thoughts on revealing sensetive documents. I am in no way saying people should not express there opinions, but wikileaks is in NO WAY about free speech. The people who created these documents not only had the freedom to make them public, but also had the promise of keeping them secret. They made a choice to keep their documents secret. If anything Wikileaks was an encroachment on the personal freedoms of the people who created these documents.

World recognition of what? Anon? Yes Anon is garnering world recognition, but for illegal activity. I do belive Anon is a terrorist organization, so Anon garnering world recognition for their illegal activity, becoming a group known for hacking personal data and orchastrating DDoS attacks against companies they do not agree with, is not far off from say other groups garnering world recognition for more physical, violent acts against those they do not agree with ( I don't want to name names because someone will get pissed and I'm WAY too tired to deal with that). And before you come and start flaming me for that analogy, a terrorist group, is a terrorist group no matter the tactics.

So revealing secrets will make governments and corporations work harder to keep secrets. What? What does that have to do with anything? They wouldn't reveal that stuff anyhow and frankly it's for the best that someone challenges them otherwise they can screw people over without consequence. I for one am tired of that because usually we suffer for it.

Illegal isn't the same thing as immoral. Anon is not a terrorist group for putting information out there even if they had to use underhanded methods to acquire it. Why? There was no other way it was going to happen. You can't often play the game according to someone else's rules and expect to win. Corporations own the legal system, the government is the legal system, and so there's information you will never get by the direct route.

The US government in particular is bordering on despotic at this point in time. No, our freedoms aren't exceptionally limited, but ever since 9/11 things have only become more restricted. Just look at what's been happening in our airports; we're suffering a loss of dignity and efficiency for security measures which do nothing except give us the illusion of safety. If we don't want things to go any further we need Anon and Wikileaks.

You see, this is what happens when you jump in mid stream. If you had read the rest of my post, you would see I was responding to someone who was extolling the "freedom of speech and global openness" that Anon is trying to create.What I was saying is that far from creating a more open forum for global communication, all Wikileaks and Anon have done is created a new demand for protection of personal documents, I guess I can thank them for creating new job opprotunities. It is true the government does take an unbearibly long time to make documents public, but they eventually do. ANd for the screwing people over, the government was doing that before Wikileaks, and the government will be it after Wikileaks. Corporations will always have a hand in politics. Also I can without knowing what my government thinks of Austrailia or whereeverthefuckistan.

No Anon is a terrorist organization. Underhanded? Unless some new secret law has been passed (and by your logic it might have been) cyber theft, hacking into business servers and peoples e-mail accounts, and basically using a phising scheme to gian private information are all illegal acts, and Anon has done ALL of them. I'm not saying that the government and the corporations are not corrupt at some level. But what is revealing that corruption going to do? You're going to get some low level accounted fired cause no matter what you do you cannot take down the people at the top. Actually the only way so far that the people at the top have been held responsible for their corruption has been through government committee hearings.

People in the West (myself included) have no idea how good we have it. You call the government despotic because you yourself have never actually experienced a government like that. In all honesty, what personal rights have you lost? Yes the full body scanners are an invasion of privacy and the full body search alternative is not much better. However they are not in every airport in America, and what are is everyone so afraid of with these scanners? Some stranger is goin to find out about your "insecurities"? I know this a bit of a "tiger and the rock" moment (if you don't know what that means, ask me in your next post), but the only attck after the scanners had been put in place was a package bomb, so there not much a fully BODY scanner is going to do about that. On no you can't bring your hunting knife on a plane with you anymore, boo hoo. You want to bring shampoo and a large amoutn of hand cream with you on your vacation? Put it in your stowed luggage, not your carry-on.

 

[tsb247]

If we are to report about the news, could we please do so without the profanity and obvious editorial bias? You know, I used to read The Escapist every day, almost religiously, but this kind of sensationalist biased reporting puts me off it lately. It reminds me far too much of FOX News.

Neither side is in the right here. Neither is doing the morally correct or upstanding thing. We are essentially watching a bunch of children trying to say they're better than the other kids. And I say children because that's how it comes off - insecure and immature.

Listen to the Anonymous Phone conference with Aaron Barr. Tell me which one you think comes off as a whiny child.
http://piratepad.net/HBGary

It honestly doesn't matter who comes off as a whiny child. Please explain to me how Anonymous is in the right? See my post above. They are no better than HBGary.

1. They attack any entity they do not agree with - relentlessly.

2. They essentially hold that entity hostage until their demands are met.

3. ????

4. Profit - push whatever agenda they choose to.

There is no honor in that. How can there be? What bothers me the most is that they seem to think that thier collective will is the only right in the world.

There is no consideration paid to any possible collateral damage their acts may cause. There is no thought given to whether or not their operations may harm the innocent, or are there no innocents?

HBGary is/was in the process of selling itself off. What of those who could lose their jobs; people who had ZERO knowledge of what was taking place behind closed doors and Barr's escapades?

What of the millions who keep their money at Bank of America that have ZERO knowledge of the banks's dealings? What happens to them if Anonymous somehow manages to topple Bank of America (which I doubt will happen)? Why should a relatively small group of people be allowed to decide the fates of others to such a degree - and all for sport; for teh LULZ?

I could possibly support them if they did not resort to such tactics, but seeing how they have begun to operate over the years, I simply cannot stand by them.

It's one thing to want free information, it's another thing to take it by force.

Not all information can be free. The right information in the wrong hands can be more dangerous than a homicidal maniac with a loaded gun or an A-bomb hidden in a Pepsi machine in Dodger's Stadium.

It's not like I don't get it....

"The megacorporations are evil and exploit the common man, governments are involved in shady dealings with rather unscrupulous people, etc."

Yeah, I understand... Why does Anonymous feel the need to stoop to their level? There is no justice in unjust acts. It's like killing a man for killing your wife. One extreme does not allow for another. Sure, one may want to, but where is the real satisfaction in it?

So please, justify Anonymous's actions.

 

[AnonOperations]

We seem to be going in circles here. I've already responded to this.

 

[Sandytimeman]

The attack any entity they don't agree with, and they make demands. If their demands aren't met, they continue their attacks. How is that honorable in any way?

True but its nice to have a bit on anarchy in the wind, I mean if the government or a big corporation / business does the same to a single person what happens? They pretty much get bulldozed over.

The System is broken, education is a joke, and politics are filled with corruption and hypocrisy.