Anti-Mutant/Powers Groups Are Right.

[CrazyBlaze]

So we all know the X-men right. A group of super powered mutants who are hated by society because of their power (or differences). Or we know about InFamous and how Cole is also called the Demon of Empire City and people are afraid of him because of his powers. Or the TV show Heroes where The Company bags and tags super powered people and keep captive the ones who are dangerous.

So my point is the ideals behind many of the people who aim to get rid of those with powers are right. The people who aim to get rid of those abilities and fear them are right. They are right because these people are dangerous. Their methods may be wrong and maybe their motivations, Bertrand using Conduits as an excuse to take over the city for example.

I mean Cole can summon a lightning storm from his hands, he can create a Tornado. Cyclops can blast people to pieces, Xavier can control people with his mind, implant a false memory or take them away, and Wolverine cannot die. In Heroes there are people who can control your body with a simple gesture, blow up an entire city, can shoot lightning from their hands. What is to stop these people from using these powers to rule over everyone. To go on killing sprees? To play God with people? I mean when we watch movies and TV shows or play games about this stuff we agree with the protagonists and see these people as bad and everyone who joins them are idiots. We think that the Main Characters are in the right. But what is to stop these people from taking over the world or even accidentally destroying it. I mean when Cole summons lighting there has to be some sort of negative effect on the atmosphere. I mean what if someone like Magnateo accidentally throws the world off balance by using his powers or Ted (from Heroes) (he is the radiation man) from accidentally leaking radiation everywhere and killing people every where he goes.


These are dangerous people and the antis have the right idea that they need to be controlled or stopped or have their powers taken away.


Edit: Some people seem to think that I mean we should kill people with powers. I want to make this clear. I DO NOT CONDONE KILLING. I only propose means of control.

 

[madwarper]

So, you say having a mutant power makes someone "dangerous"... How about a firearm? Do firearms make people "dangerous" too? How about melee weapons? Illnesses? Independent thoughts?

Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't "dangerous"? And, doesn't your ability to abuse this discretion make you "dangerous" as well?

 

[applesandoranges]

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[Revnak_v1legacy]

The prevention of posible danger is no excuse for the subjugation of any group of people.

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

I remember in X-Men 3 (Yes that one) the Government wanted to keep tabs on all the mutants, and also had a cure for mutants who wished to be normal.

And they're the bad guys for some reason, you shouldnt discriminate or imprison someone just because they have powers, but Its a fucking great idea to keep tabs on them just in case they turn bad

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Here's my view of the whole thing.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

I remember in X-Men 3 (Yes that one) the Government wanted to keep tabs on all the mutants, and also had a cure for mutants who wished to be normal.

And they're the bad guys for some reason, you shouldnt discriminate or imprison someone just because they have powers, but Its a fucking great idea to keep tabs on them just in case they turn bad

You sir should read The Boys, it's about a CIA team that keeps superheroes in check. It's pretty amazing.

OT: Pretty much what everyone else said, we have no right to control them if they haven't done anything wrong.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

The prevention of posible danger is no excuse for the subjugation of any group of people.

What if those people would anhiliate the world on a whim. Could watch you and everyone else burn, kill you without being able to offer any defence or do anything. Absolute power over you. Gifted to random people on the basis of genetics. Would you sleep safe at night? It would be wrong to subjigate these people.

So, you say having a mutant power makes someone "dangerous"... How about a firearm? Do firearms make people "dangerous" too? How about melee weapons? Illnesses? Independent thoughts?

Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't "dangerous"? And, doesn't your ability to abuse this discretion make you "dangerous" as well?

All these things make a person dangerous. Its about scale. How dangerous is someone with a firearm or a melee weapon or free thought? Equally as dangerous as you can be, therefor the power over you can be theoritically nothing.

What if we talk real power. Like the power to reach out from thousands of miles away and crush your insect brain like a twig to leave you a twitching vegitable. You couldnt resist. You wouldnt even know it had happened. We are against governments having such total brutal control over a people, being able to tote out such infinite threat of destruction over a population. Why do super people get a break? Read my above reply, would you sleep at night?

 

[AstylahAthrys]

Here's my view of the whole thing.

Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. Mutants who abuse their powers should be dealt with, but having powers shouldn't mean your rights should be violated.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

The prevention of posible danger is no excuse for the subjugation of any group of people.

What if those people would anhiliate the world on a whim. Could watch you and everyone else burn, kill you without being able to offer any defence or do anything. Absolute power over you. Gifted to random people on the basis of genetics. Would you sleep safe at night? It would be wrong to subjigate these people.

And what if they don't?

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Here's my view of the whole thing.

Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. Mutants who abuse their powers should be dealt with, but having powers shouldn't mean your rights should be violated.

I was just looking for an excuse to use that picture.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

The prevention of posible danger is no excuse for the subjugation of any group of people.

What if those people would anhiliate the world on a whim. Could watch you and everyone else burn, kill you without being able to offer any defence or do anything. Absolute power over you. Gifted to random people on the basis of genetics. Would you sleep safe at night? It would be wrong to subjigate these people.

And what if they don't?

If we are talking about XMen these powers are totally based on random genetics. Wanna play a game with me where we pick 1 in 8 billion people over and over and over at random and see how fast we find a complete asshole?

I'd sleep because I had to. I could go out tomorrow and be shot. There are a lot of things beyond my control, all I can do is go on with life. And it would be wrong to subjugate them just to make you feel safe. Maybe it gives them a good reason to subjugate you that you feel that way. They'd at least have the excuse of defense.

So, you say having a mutant power makes someone "dangerous"... How about a firearm? Do firearms make people "dangerous" too? How about melee weapons? Illnesses? Independent thoughts?

Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't "dangerous"? And, doesn't your ability to abuse this discretion make you "dangerous" as well?

All these things make a person dangerous. Its about scale. How dangerous is someone with a firearm or a melee weapon or free thought? Equally as dangerous as you can be, therefor the power over you can be theoritically nothing.

What if we talk real power. Like the power to reach out from thousands of miles away and crush your insect brain like a twig to leave you a twitching vegitable. You couldnt resist. You wouldnt even know it had happened. We are against governments having such total brutal control over a people, being able to tote out such infinite threat of destruction over a population. Why do super people get a break? Read my above reply, would you sleep at night?

A bad comparison. We are against giving governments such power. If someone is merely born with it then how can I complain? I do not say that it is immoral to have such power in and of itself.

But the result is the same. You live every day knowing others have, not slight, not coincidental, but real constant power to end your life and treat you like a plaything. Its even worse than a government because we cannot decide how has this power, its gifted to anyone and everyone lucky enough to catch a genetic break. Honestly looking at SOME powers it seems comparable to a genetic lottery where the winners get to own the button that fires all the nukes. Because some powers are that great. I dont think its ever right that the powerfull should be able to command or ensalve the powerless. Even in "defence". ANd i call not for their subjugation, just strict control over who does what. Play the genetic lottery. What happens when we lose and an asshole gets the power to end all life on the slightest whim?

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

The prevention of posible danger is no excuse for the subjugation of any group of people.

What if those people would anhiliate the world on a whim. Could watch you and everyone else burn, kill you without being able to offer any defence or do anything. Absolute power over you. Gifted to random people on the basis of genetics. Would you sleep safe at night? It would be wrong to subjigate these people.

And what if they don't?

If we are talking about XMen these powers are totally based on random genetics. Wanna play a game with me where we pick 1 in 8 billion people over and over and over at random and see how fast we find a complete asshole?

Want to play a game where we pick 1 in 8 billion people over and over until we get bored and see how many people aren't complete assholes? Why should innocent people suffer because some are total douchenozzles? I don't go out killing every guy because one raped me, nor do I remove all their penises. I don't kill every dog because one bit me, nor do I remove all their teeth. Both cases would be ridiculous.

 

[evilneko]

This is why every setting with superhuman powers needs a Batman--to keep them in check.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

The prevention of posible danger is no excuse for the subjugation of any group of people.

What if those people would anhiliate the world on a whim. Could watch you and everyone else burn, kill you without being able to offer any defence or do anything. Absolute power over you. Gifted to random people on the basis of genetics. Would you sleep safe at night? It would be wrong to subjigate these people.

And what if they don't?

If we are talking about XMen these powers are totally based on random genetics. Wanna play a game with me where we pick 1 in 8 billion people over and over and over at random and see how fast we find a complete asshole?

Want to play a game where we pick 1 in 8 billion people over and over until we get bored and see how many people aren't complete assholes? Why should innocent people suffer because some are total douchenozzles? I don't go out killing every guy because one raped me, nor do I remove all their penises. I don't kill every dog because one bit me, nor do I remove all their teeth. Both cases would be ridiculous.

Again its about scale. Sure assholes might not be common. But it takes 1. One to luck out and become a complete dictator with absolute genetic power that cannot be removed to enslave/exterminate mankind. Thats a bigger risk than a dog being genetically inclined to bite. The bite can heal and the dog can be removed. The enslavement wouldnt end until we got a genetic luckout for someone nice to be more powerfull.

And I'd argue that it is right that they have the ability if they were born with it, so long as they do not use it. So long as they do not use it then they are fine and have done nothing wrong.

I don't care about the consequences, I care about what is fair to everyone. Not sacrificing some people for others.

Can you envisage a situation were it is impossible for things to be completely fair for all. Since the advantage of one is a disadantage of another? How can you ensure they dont use it? Remember that if even one guy feels the need to destroy everything or enslave everyone thats it forever. There is no redo. Its permenant.

 

[ultrachicken]

The only way I would advocate the subjugation of people with powers is if they have already committed crimes with their powers or are prone to accidentally causing destruction. Also, in most of the cases described, it's futile to attempt to control the superpowered, anyways. They are fully capable of taking anything we could possibly throw at them, so why bother?

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

The prevention of posible danger is no excuse for the subjugation of any group of people.

What if those people would anhiliate the world on a whim. Could watch you and everyone else burn, kill you without being able to offer any defence or do anything. Absolute power over you. Gifted to random people on the basis of genetics. Would you sleep safe at night? It would be wrong to subjigate these people.

And what if they don't?

If we are talking about XMen these powers are totally based on random genetics. Wanna play a game with me where we pick 1 in 8 billion people over and over and over at random and see how fast we find a complete asshole?

Want to play a game where we pick 1 in 8 billion people over and over until we get bored and see how many people aren't complete assholes? Why should innocent people suffer because some are total douchenozzles? I don't go out killing every guy because one raped me, nor do I remove all their penises. I don't kill every dog because one bit me, nor do I remove all their teeth. Both cases would be ridiculous.

Again its about scale. Sure assholes might not be common. But it takes 1. One to luck out and become a complete dictator with absolute genetic power that cannot be removed to enslave/exterminate mankind. Thats a bigger risk than a dog being genetically inclined to bite. The bite can heal and the dog can be removed. The enslavement wouldnt end until we got a genetic luckout for someone nice to be more powerfull.

Then there's no good reason to do anything at all. If it only takes one stronger good guy then we probably won't have to wait that long.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Then there's no good reason to do anything at all. If it only takes one stronger good guy then we probably won't have to wait that long.

Unless our godlike badbuy creates a total monopoloy on powers because they are the only threat to him? That seems rather likely.

This is not a situation where it is impossible. The powerless are given the best situation they can without infringing on the rights of others. That is fair even if it leaves them powerless and defenseless because anything further that you ask for them is unfair to give. It is not unfair to deny them an infringement of the rights of others.

I don't need to ensure they don't use it.

I am waiting on your answer on how you propose to control them by the way. It is dishonest of you to cut parts of my post out like that and ignore my points.

Honestly? I dont know. But i dont think that weakens my point. My point isnt subjigation is good. Im against that on the basis of genetics. My point is that if any person has power over anyone else on the basis of genetics that leads to a slanted and unfair society. And its a pretty huge advantage. Even if people didnt use their powers to outright destroy having them would give you an easy ride to the top. The good life. Others have to live their mundane lives and work like anyone else not only under the constant fear that they may one day offend, or even just be in the way of, a literal walking god (relative to them) who can do whatever the hell they want without repercussions since none can match their power AND deal with the fact that they were chosen to have to be regular to succeed rather than do so off very slanted genetics.

I argue not for subjigation. But for the idea that such a concept is so unfair toward the regular guy you can see why they might be fearfull and reactionary. They have a point.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Then there's no good reason to do anything at all. If it only takes one stronger good guy then we probably won't have to wait that long.

Unless our godlike badbuy creates a total monopoloy on powers because they are the only threat to him? That seems rather likely.

Assuming he's the first one to get powers, and the first to use them, and that he can get control over everybody else that has them or kill them first. Nobody is that good, even superkillers.

 

[Altorin]

That's why the X-men don't actively work against them, except when it comes to their own personal safety. The Brotherhood of Mutants is the group that detests the government and actively works to bring it down. The X-men support the government's caution of their powers as long as they're not personally threatened - if they're fighting for their life and freedom, all bets are off, but they try to work with legislators and show that not all mutants are raging psychopaths.

When it comes to things like Sentinels though, those are just as dangerous to everyone else as they are to mutants, even though they specifically target mutants, the collateral damage of their attacks and just a fight with a high powered mutant causes more damage and potential loss of life then leaving that mutant alone.

So yes, mutants are dangerous, and non-mutants certainly have every right to feel safe, and honestly, most bigotry towards mutants is probably justified.. but I'm more of the mind to just leave them alone if they prove benevolent, and give those benevolent mutants a clean slate as long as they work to protect use from the malevolent mutants, which is basically exactly what happens. The X-men just want to be left alone and want to set a good X-ample.