Anti-Piracy Group Sued For Using Pirated Theme Song
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Oh no, no easy getting out of this. After all, if you buy a music CD then burn it and give it to a friend, it's piracy. So, in this instance, BRIEN bought one use of the guy's music, then used it repeatedly. So they owe him about a hojillion dollars. Seems fair enough.
I wouldn't consider it piracy because the song was made for them, he didn't deny that fact, they just misused it based on their contractual agreement. But depending on what the contract states someone is out money either him or the group. Only time will tell.
I find that more expected than this. Usually slimy corporations cover their asses with contracts and such. Hell, look at Sony's "You can't sue us!" crap.DVS BSTrD said:
It's copyright infringement, albeit in a slightly different form, it's still what they're campaigning against. They didn't download it, but they did use it illegally. Once they stepped outside the initial venue, they were doing the same thing, even if in a different way.dogstile said:
As funny as this would be, the title isn't just misleading for humorous intent so much as it is a flat-out lie.
1: There's no lawsuit, only talk of one.
2: It's not pirated, he wrote it for them then they used it "without his consent", it's copyright infringement but a long stretch to equate it to piracy..
3: It's a contractual issue that may or may not be brought up, nowhere near actual piracy.
I'd be the first to laugh my ass off if this were true, because I have no love for the big anti-piracy firms, but change the damn title.
1: There's no lawsuit, only talk of one.
2: It's not pirated, he wrote it for them then they used it "without his consent", it's copyright infringement but a long stretch to equate it to piracy..
3: It's a contractual issue that may or may not be brought up, nowhere near actual piracy.
I'd be the first to laugh my ass off if this were true, because I have no love for the big anti-piracy firms, but change the damn title.
No they didn't. As was pointed out it was KRQE in Arizona.NinjaDeathSlap said:
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Back to the topic at hand:
So if I read this correctly, Gerrits (who is a board member of this Anti-piracy outfit) is looking to profit personally from the lawsuit against the company which he is on the board of?
Ah, reminds me of the time the major labels were sued for copyright violations [http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/artists-lawsuit-major-record-labels-are-the-real-pirates.ars].
I also like how when he went for help from the guys who "support the artists", they wanted to fuck him out of 33% of the profits and ownership of the song. The only ones in the music industry not stealing from the artists are the artists themselves.
I also like how when he went for help from the guys who "support the artists", they wanted to fuck him out of 33% of the profits and ownership of the song. The only ones in the music industry not stealing from the artists are the artists themselves.
^Good question, I'm sure someone here can answer it for you better than me, but my swing at it is that BREIN might not be selling a candy bar or a car, but they do have income (adverts are publicity, they help them get money) and they're just as responsible for paying dues as anyone, or else they shouldn't be using the music at all.esperandote said:
That's the funny thing, they've done what they stand against, and it makes them look totally lame.
Basically, there is ALOT of money in standing up for the rights of others if you stand on the side of rich people, you just have to keep your nose clean.
Andy Chalk said:Anti-Piracy Group Sued For Using Pirated Theme Song
Dutch copyright group BREIN has been sued by a musician who claims that it has been using his music in an anti-piracy campaign without his permission.
The Bescherming Rechten Entertainment Industrie Nederland [http://www.anti-piracy.nl/], or BREIN for the sake of simplicity, is a Dutch trade association functionally similar to the MPAA, and much like the MPAA it has aggressively pursued copyright infringement over the years, including through the use of lawsuits against organizations like The Pirate Bay. But now the tables are turned, as the group is facing a lawsuit filed by a musician claiming that it is using his music in their campaigns without permission.
Back in 2006, BREIN asked Melchior Rietveldt to compose a song for an anti-piracy video for a local film festival. Rietveldt agreed, allegedly under the conditions that the video was only for use at the festival; but in early 2007, he noticed that a Harry Potter DVD he purchased contained the same video, including his music. And presumably because of the ubiquity of the ad, he claims that his work has been used on "tens of millions" of DVDs, which according to his financial adviser means that he's owned at least $1.3 million.
Amazingly, when Rietveldt took his case to Buma/Stemra, a "music royalty collection agency," he was told by board member Jochem Gerrits that before he could get any help in the matter, he'd have to sign the rights to the track in question to Gerrits' own music publishing company, and that he'd have to give Gerrits 33 percent of any money he received. Gerrits told Rietveldt's financial guy that he deserves the money because he's got a lot of pull and later said that getting two-thirds of what he's owed is a lot better than the no-thirds he has now.
What Gerrits didn't realize is that the entire conversation was being recorded by Pownews [http://www.powned.tv/uitzendinggemist/pownews.html]. When word of his demand got out, he claimed he'd been "misinterpreted" but also temporarily resigned his position on the board until the matter can be resolved. BREIN Director Tim Kuik, meanwhile, says the dispute with Rietveldt is a contractual dispute that doesn't actually have anything to do with his organization because it is neither the distributor nor the client in the case.
Source: TorrentFreak [http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-corruption-scandal-surrounds-anti-piracy-campaign-111201/]
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Yo dawg, I herd j00 lyke hypocrites.
i have more issues with that guy from the "music royalty collection agency" then with brein. being dutch i know the company and the add, but the adds alwaus shows before the movie or the dvd menu, so they are not really around. they are not one of those companies that always has to something about it. this was just a stupid mistake, hoping that is it was indeed a mistake.
I don't think it has to do with profit, but the amount of influance his music gave them. The basic accusation is they used his song without permission, distributing it 10s of millions of times through those Harry Potter DVDs. Whether they were paid or not, they used his material, and he's demanding to be paid for the work he's done.esperandote said:
His demands are probably akin to something like a nickel per DVD they produced with his music on it or something like that, hence why he's demanding 1.3 million off of something that sold tens of millions of copies. I suppose when I look at the figures his demands aren't entirely unreasonable.
The guy is pretty much declaring himself a mercenary artist here, rather than a genuine supporter of the cause who donated his work, and that's the backbone of his case.