Aswyng and Amyss
- Dec 3, 2008
Basically what I expected to find.MarsAtlas said:Supposedly Hilary Clinton, but when I checked that I couldn't find her calling for an actual ban. She said that it "shouldn't" be flown anywhere, but that would can be interpreted in multiple ways, like "it shouldn't in an ideal world" or "it shouldn't be allowed".
But given the next poster here, I've got a second question:
Do you feel I've called you a Nazi? I'd like to clarify this because, according to Vanilla Knight, I've indicate that everyone who disagrees with Apple's move is a Nazi.
Oh, we're off to a lovely start here.Vanilla_Knight said:I was giving you the benefit of the doubt with your first post, but now it seems I can see what you truly are with your outrageous over-generalizations of the arguments being made and even the zealous implication that people who see this as a ridiculous move are "Confederate flag lovers" and by attribution you made, racists and Nazis.
If you have to change what I said to decide what I really am, you're not deciding what I really am.
Then any reasonable person can infer that I was not speaking to them specifically. However, I somehow doubt if we were to make a list of people, the people you claim are "self-evident" would all be excluded. In part because one of the patterns I've noticed on this site is that certain people are "free market" with Apple unless very specific things happen. If Apple decides to pull Nazi iconography, it's censorship. If they decide to pull the rebel rag, it's censorship. Almost anything that's not a symbol of hatred? "free market!!!!!"It is self-evident to any reasonable person who has been reading this thread that most people here do not advocate racism or even have a distinct 'love' of the confederate flag.
But I would suggest behaving reasonably before you dictate what reasonable people would do.
I didn't bring that up. I responded to MarsAtlas, who responded to someone else (I forget who) who was talking about this being a slippery slope from the iTunes store to the history books. MarsAtlas made a point about actual historical revisionism, and I followd up on her point.You're also bringing completely irrelevant points of politics up in a thread about one particular issue. The books that stupid conservatives want to be taught are not in any way relevant to Apple's decision whatsoever.
Get your facts straight before you chastise them.
See, the tone change I'm referencing is hypocrisy in action. Are you really glad that a bunch of Escapists have behaved hypocritically by supporting the flag? I doubt it. So don't claim otherwise.I'm quite glad that the forum, as you said, has changed in tone.
Social Justice like mine? I'm confused. This has nothing to do with social justice. I've addressed the facts and history here. I have not spoken even to what "should" be that I remember.It is quite apparent that social justice like yours is petulant and destructive.
I somehow doubt you mean my belief that women are people, gays should marry, or anything of the sort, so why are you bringing social justice into this?
Considering you made a bunch of spurious accusations rather than bothering to read my thoughts on the matter? That's an odd statement to make there.You would sooner passive-aggressively call everyone a Nazis because they disagree with Germany's laws on Nazis memorabilia than you would to take the time to read someone's actual thoughts on the matter.
But, you see, I didn't call everyone a "Nazis" because they disagree with Germany's laws. I don't think I even brought up Germany's laws, and I'm pretty sure I haven't said my opinion on them. I referenced a bunch of supposedly free-market folks who are for "censorship" when it benefits them and against it when it removes something "offensive." And your use of "social justice" makes me think you are A. one of these people and B. really bothered by my post for that reason, rather than the claims you're making which are not in line with reality.
And whether you are one of those people or not, I do seriously wonder why there are folks on here who ordinarily agree with Apple's store restrictions but have a tantrum when it's specifically Nazi iconography (because this actually happened) or the KKK flag. Because I'm not even going to pretend this was the Confederate flag. This is not the same as calling them Nazis, sorry. And I think it's a legit question: why do people not seem to care about their "censorship" policies normally, but get into a tizzy over this flag? That would indicate to me that something else is going on. Or that the concern is...less than sincere.