Apparently Braveheart is Anglophobic?

[Carzinex]

Scots have a real complaint in regards to more modern history when Margaret Thatcher tested her neo liberal policies on them causing widespread unemployment and misery.

I actually take offence to this comment because it seems to imply Thatcher was good for England at the expense of Scotland; but Scotland was NOT the only place screwed over by Thatcher. I'm from Liverpool and she quite literally hung my home city out to dry, letting it wither on the vine. So yes, Scotland may well have a real complaint with regards to Thatcher's policies but that has absolutely nothing to do with England considering how much parts of England got screwed over even worse.

Well I live up in your neck of the woods and yes, we in the North of England were also royally screwed. However Scotland was the testing ground for various policies including poll tax so its not unreasonable to assume they have something of a grudge, as the son of a trade unionist I was in no way trying to imply that evil cow was good for England, just that she royally screwed Scotland to the extent the conservative voter base north of the border is now non existent.

I don't think you quite understand how badly Liverpool got screwed and how much some people here hate her. People had parties when she died. No exaggeration. There was a very distinct air of triumph and celebration over her death. Hardly unsurprising given the riots in the 80s. I found it extremely distasteful, but it happened.

I'm pretty sure the Conservatives poll significantly higher in Scotland than in Liverpool. I just looked up a couple of recent City Council elections...in 2014 in Liverpool the Tories pulled around 5% of the vote. In Edinburgh in 2012 they pulled nearly 20%. I don't think they've held a single seat here since the 80s because of all that happened.

To be fair when most of us Scots are bashing England it's fair to say we mean the south. In my experience the north of England were kinda seen as brothers in arms against the tories.

 

[Lightspeaker]

Scots have a real complaint in regards to more modern history when Margaret Thatcher tested her neo liberal policies on them causing widespread unemployment and misery.

I actually take offence to this comment because it seems to imply Thatcher was good for England at the expense of Scotland; but Scotland was NOT the only place screwed over by Thatcher. I'm from Liverpool and she quite literally hung my home city out to dry, letting it wither on the vine. So yes, Scotland may well have a real complaint with regards to Thatcher's policies but that has absolutely nothing to do with England considering how much parts of England got screwed over even worse.

Well I live up in your neck of the woods and yes, we in the North of England were also royally screwed. However Scotland was the testing ground for various policies including poll tax so its not unreasonable to assume they have something of a grudge, as the son of a trade unionist I was in no way trying to imply that evil cow was good for England, just that she royally screwed Scotland to the extent the conservative voter base north of the border is now non existent.

I don't think you quite understand how badly Liverpool got screwed and how much some people here hate her. People had parties when she died. No exaggeration. There was a very distinct air of triumph and celebration over her death. Hardly unsurprising given the riots in the 80s. I found it extremely distasteful, but it happened.

I'm pretty sure the Conservatives poll significantly higher in Scotland than in Liverpool. I just looked up a couple of recent City Council elections...in 2014 in Liverpool the Tories pulled around 5% of the vote. In Edinburgh in 2012 they pulled nearly 20%. I don't think they've held a single seat here since the 80s because of all that happened.

To be fair when most of us Scots are bashing England it's fair to say we mean the south. In my experience the north of England were kinda seen as brothers in arms against the tories.

In fairness I think that's a pretty solid reciprocated sentiment across the north. There's a great deal more affinity with Scotland for a lot of people up this way than with the mob down in Westminster. I was just a little wound up because...well, like I said, anti-Thatcher sentiment has always been quite ingrained around here. Tends to make for short tempers on that whole thing. >_>

 

[sageoftruth]

Sure, I guess. I'm ok with calling it that. The important question is what it means to call it anglophobic. This kind of storytelling is so common that I nearly did a double take when the Pianist portrayed some of the German characters in a sympathetic light, so I'm not going to denounce a movie as unwatchable simply for being anglophobic.

On the other hand, if it is indeed anglophobic, it never hurts to point it out, since it promotes discussion.

 

[Denamic]

Well yeah, considering it was from the perspective of one of the many people the English screwed over. The British empire wasn't formed by happy thoughts and butterflies.