So a company known for a gmae with an insanely toxic asshole fanbase is also a shitty place for women to work.
I am shocked, shocked to hear that there's gambling going on in here.
Seriously, this doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Commanderfantasy said:
Look these people grew up being socially awkward nerds, spending friday nights alone in their dark rooms playing video games, play D&D with a bunch of other nerds.
When these people are put into a population in which interaction with females is required, they are still awkward as hell. It don't matter that they are supposed to be adults, if they didn't grow up learning social skills they simply wont have them. And let's face it, a lot of really good coders and artists are kind of on the autistic spectrum.
Hi. 30 year old Aspergers super nerd who grew up with no social skills, and who spends basically every night alone in my dark room playing video games here.
Up until I was 20, I had zero social skills. I had to super isolate myself because high school was a living hell for me, and keeping quiet and alone helped keep some of the bullies off my back (Although sometimes they'd pursue me to the library and metaphorically shit on me while I was just trying to read a goddamn book and the only safe place was literally reading STANDING at the counter with the librarian). My only two friends at that school were two other rejects that everyone relentlessly made fun of. I had some grade school pals that I saw on the weekends sometimes, but overall I was super isolated.
Also, it was a boys-only school full of asshole macho jock type people and spoiled rich brats. Given that my only experience with girls in grade school was either "I had one friend for a year who was a girl" or "That clingy crying girl kissed me with no permission and got me mocked for 3 years as the crybaby's girlfriend and now oh shit she's following me around deliberately making it worse because she wanted the attention", I was terribad with women.
But not once was I some kind of asshat about it. Not once have I ever considered making a move on a girl who has no interest, or is drunk or whatever. Not once have I ever considered sending anyone a dick pic or passing around a list of "chicks at work I'd like to fuck".
See, my parents raised me with the principle of something called "respect". "You don't know someone else's story, you don't know what they want until they tell you, so treat them with respect and don't impose your wishes on them unless they're cool with that" kind of thing.
It wasn't until I was about 20 that I started coming out of my shell and talking to people. I was 22 when I had my first girlfriend (Which was pure luck meeting her through a friend and having the same lunch breaks), and it was a basically platonic relationship with no sex and a single make-out moment over 3 years (Her previous boyfriend had been borderline abusive and she was nervous about another relationship, so I told her she could set the pace. She was never ready for more) and that was fine by me, because I respected her as a person and not as "something to have sex with".
After that fell apart and it absolutely destroyed my fragile self worth that had taken 20 years to form, I could totally have turned into one of these incel type assholes blaming women for not wanting me, and bitching at the world about how unfair it had been to me. And it had been. I was a self-loathing ball of neuroses and basically none of it was my fault.
But again, not only did I value respect and consent of others, but I decided to respect myself and "git gud". I decided to work on my self isolation and my meekness. So rather than wallow in "waaaaah world so unfair!!!" I actually addressed my feelings and decided to get better, stop being so isolated, and grow a damn spine and assert myself.
I joined a larp community, I put myself out there, I made more friends. I worked to improve myself and grow a spine. And not once did I ever act like a fratboy asshole because "respect". I now have a reputation of being "That guy who makes everyone feel safe and welcome", as one of the larp organizers put it when she got drunk hanging out with me at a bar one time, something she told me she would be too nervous to do with anyone but her boyfriend. Yeah, I'm still socially awkward and bad with social cues and awkward with women, but not in an asshole way. Because I consider other people's feelings and don't act like a self-centered dick.
I'm 30 now and I still spend most nights alone in my room playing games (Larps are, at best, one evening a month if one is going on). I'm still quiet and shy, although now I can actually carry conversation with people who aren't longtime friends. I still have no girlfriend. And outside of the occasional pangs of loneliness, I'm perfectly happy to be single. My self worth isn't tied to the other sex.
The problem isn't "oh no, some guys have no social skills and are awkward around women!". The problem is that their awkwardness translates into "Yo dood, Imma show her my penis with no provocation because...derp?" and "Yo dood, Imma talk about how much I wanna stick my dick in her with no care if she hears it because...derp?". You can be awkward around girls without being an asshole.
TLDR: I'm the poster boy for lonely virgin loser gamers, and I destroy the stereotype of "sexist asshole gamer" by the fact that I actually bother to respect other people, and because rather than cry to the sky about how unfair life is I decided to improve myself.
If some scrawny, chronic-mild-depression, traumatized by bullying for ages dude like me can do it, Most guys should be able to do it.
At the very least they can respect women's boundaries and not think they're entitled to sex or love. It's not freakin' hard!
Mothro said:
It's true. Article after article about how bad women have it but when men have it rough....no one wants to talk about that.
That's funny, a friend of mine in the game industry shared a video story about two football players getting massively harassed and derided as "Gaaayyyyyyy" because one dared to hug and pat the head of the other when he found out mid-game that his mom died.
And everyone in the facebook comment feed, women and men, talked about how shitty this was. There were women going "It's so shit that men have to go through this and be treated like shit if they dare to have an emotional moment, or comfort another guy, it's awful".
So yeah, people do want to talk about how men get shat on. In fact, a lot of feminists talk about how the way our society tries to repress male emotions is mentally scarring to guys, and how the way it pushes men to be macho strong guys all the time is harmful to us guys.
So just because women getting utterly screwed by centuries of guys getting away with being domineering, inconsiderate pricks is finally getting the attention it deserves doesn't mean no one cares about guys.
Maybe if more people actually, you know, talked about the shit that guys go through and didn't get dogpiled with comments about how "talking about male feelings is killing masculinity" or stuff like that, we'd have more conversations about it!
Mothro said:
No, incels is the new insult. It's getting up there with Nazi's.
Gee that's funny, the only people I see being called incels are:
a) people who call themselves incels already
b) People who show all the traits of being an incel. IE: Flagrant disrespect of women, wallowing in self pity about all the sex they're entitled to and not getting, claiming feminism is bad because it makes women not want men and so they'll have to die virgins, and never taking a second to wonder if maybe their crappy attitude and/or fact they never put themselves out there and make themselves appealing is the reason why they're alone.
So no, I reject that argument.
Mothro said:
Anyway, yeah decades of feminism has brought us to the point that males are considered a danger to women and children and that has a huge impact on the ability for people to feel empathy for males. Males are just guilty of whatever negative thing they are accused of.
Decades of feminism that came after centuries of guys basically having total dominance over women.
Women used to be married off like property. Women could not leave marriages even if they were being raped and abused. Soldiers used to rape the women of the lands they conquered. They couldn't vote or hold property, were looked down on if they had a job. Etc, etc, etc, not to mention ErrTheKing's point that one of the reasons for prohibition was as a way to curb domestic violence men did while drunk.
So the logical conclusion is not that "feminism made the world afraid of men" but rather "Women have ALWAYS been scared of men, feminism is just them finally being able to say it", and you just don't like to hear that.
Also, if you want to know why simple accusations of sexual misconduct can lead to consequences and angry mobs...It's because the justice system has not caught up yet. Plenty of guys are charged with rape and get away with it, and even more of them are never even charged.
Hell, in a lot of cases the cops don't even bother to investigate the guy. One of the larpers I know got raped at a party while drunk and the cops told her "Well what were you expecting, getting drunk at a party? This is on you, miss!" and did jack shit. And you know what I heard next in the group? Something along the lines of "Bah, typical. They're routinely shit about it in this city". And this is in Montreal, a pretty liberal city!
Given that the system fails so goddamn hard, it's no wonder that more weight is getting put on the accusations, because it's the only recourse a lot of these women have. Yes, it's shit, and yes it means that once in a blue moon you'll have false accusations that cause serious problems for someone. But the solution is not to tell women to shut up about it. The solution is to fix the failed system that led to this becoming the only solution that gives them any kind of justice at all.
captainsavvy said:
I just... I don't understand people like this.
I don't understand why it's so hard to just not be an utter cockwomble.
Millions of people manage to be decent human beings every day. Why is it so hard for others? D:
This. So much this. I say it out loud almost every single day.
It's not hard to be a decent human being. All you have to do is pause for a second, consider how your words or actions will affect the other person, and if it will hurt them or make them feel like shit...You just don't do it.
It's that easy. You just pause for a split second to consider the impact of your actions, and then maybe decide to not waste the energy doing the thing. That's LITERALLY all it takes to be decent.
It's. Not. Rocket. Science.