Apple Brainwashes Gay Cure App from iTunes

[signingupforgames]

Is it weird that i'm both happy and sad at the same time?
On one hand, yea! ignorant digital bile is censored so it can make people actually keep an open mind.

On the other, huh we just CENSORED some people that we don't agree with because we didn't want people listening to their point of view.

I'm happy, it's just that i realized my country is becoming a place where you have to accept everybody regardless of who they are. AND I MEAN ACCEPT. not tolerate. ACCEPT. It's getting to the point where people who are uncomfortable with these issues are going to be publicly denounced. (I know I'm defending scum, but still they have the same right to voice their opinions despite what we might think.)

EDIT: I can't actually think up any good arguments for defending these people, other than they have a right to free speech.

 

[Nieroshai]

This app was obviously a publicity stunt.
Hold on, my "know-nothing-about-Christianity" senses are tingling.

I don't think there's anything wrong with this app. If you don't like it, don't use it. I'm not saying I agree with it. In fact, I disagree with it. But people should have the right to believe what they want.

Like all Jewish people should be exterminated? Like all Muslim's are terrorists? Like all black people should be slaves?

Belief an be an extremely powerful thing, so no, I don't think ignorant beliefs should be tolerated.

I hear that quite a bit now, but no one seems able to define an "ignorant belief" to me. Why is it that, for example, your view is fine, but another view is "ignorant" and thus not tolerated?

Simple.

My views are not saying someone should suffer agony for eternity for daring to love someone with the same chromosomes. My views do not spout hate on others simply for being different from me, even when they aren't hurting someone.

If I claimed black people were a "disease" (not that I'd so much as consider it) I'd receive death threats. Homosexuality is pretty much the only area left in the world where it is accepted to be intolerant of it. Despite the fact that it hasn't actually caused any harm to anyone.

If this app was removed, I expect shortly to see all apps involving anything gay or lesbian be removed as well. Equality is the name of the game.

If those apps say that being straight is wrong, then yes.

Sigh... first off, if the author of the app was genuine, he'd know that the Christian God sees all sins as equally detestable. Gay is only as bad as lying, for example, but lying is as bad as murder, and hate and condemnation of anyone is the same, so if he was genuine the app would never exist. Before you jump down my throat, I'm a bisexual Christian who acknowledges his faults and moves on. Also, sexual pleasure is a privilege. If reproduction was a right, which it isn't, reproduction is still more important than the orgasm. So you cannot, I repeat cannot equate homosexuality to race. You can't stop being black, but sexuality can be changed either way by societal and familial pressures. And since sexuality is not a right, I simply can avoid sex, be it hetero or homo or auto(masturbation). It's oh so fascinating that you equate homosexuality as a taboo to the Holocaust as well. I guess this IS a society where absolutely everything we want is somehow a right, and taboos are the height of fascism. How about the right to sex with whomever I choose whenever I want it? Even if it's in my neighbor's house or if it's his wife? Do I still have that right if the other person doesn't want it? Why not? I desire it, so it's my right.

 

[Gennadios]

Is he kidding? Alan Chambers is as "Gay" as the day is long. But isn't that always the way. He's found god or whatever, now he wants to help other Gay men "cure" their homosexuality, too. That is just so freaking stupid. Seriously, this guy is so far back in that closet his ass will end-up in the "Land of Narina".

This guy is a dick. The "Gay Cure", what the fuck? You cannot "cure" being Gay "A-hole". That is you personal, self-righteous, opinion. Just like my personal opinion is? that you're in denial about who you really are and should maybe talk to someone about YOUR PERSONAL issues of a sexual nature. Okay.

My Gaydar lit up like a christmas tree upon seeing that picture.

Chambers is so far in the closet, he's defending Narnia this very moment.

 

[Grey_Wolf_Leader]

Let's see if I can open up an actual dialogue here without starting a flame war...

I share the basic beliefs of the creator of this app. I believe homosexuality is sinful. That it is a deliberate misuse of the sacred power of procreation. That as part of my eternal significance as a Man, I must choose a companion from among my Heavenly Father's daughters and love her, cherish her, and create the physical vessels of our children with her. Then, the spirits of our Lord's children shall enter these vessels and it will be our responsibility to nurture and raise these children, giving them the best life has to offer. This is the precedent the Lord set forth from the beginning.

Where exactly in this model is there room for homosexuality? And why is it hateful to simply say that it has no place in this model?

Before you respond, ponder this.
Regardless of our behavior, we are all sons and daughters of God. Heavenly Father shall judge each of us according to our faith and our works. Not mortal men, but a perfect and omni-benevolent Father.

As fellow sons and daughters of God, those who call themselves "homosexual" have all of my respect that a Spirit Brother should have for his siblings.

But this does not extend to their actions. When I say Homosexuality is immoral, I mean specifically homosexual acts, are immoral. That does not mean that whoever is doing these acts are worth less or a disease to be destroyed, whether they claim to be gay, lesbian, queer, bisexual, or even heterosexual and experimenting.
What a person intrinsically is and what they do are fundamentally two different things.
Those who misuse and abuse their Sexuality are only hurting themselves in the process.

We are created Male and Female for a reason.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

I'm not a fan of granting crazy people false legitimacy by censoring their shit. Let it exist. Let it be an example of how fucking crazy these people are. And talk about why the homophobes are wrong.

Relying on Apple to be an arbiter on taste and morality is a bad idea. Something I like or believe may become unpopular, but I'd rather see people try to compete or argue with it than blank my words out. We wouldn't want Apple banning LGBT material, or athiestic content, or works of art that happen to contain violence. There are people who are against what you or I may approve of, but wherever Apple's censors may be on these issues - we didn't vote for them. They're not our representative, they're Apple's, and as far as we can be concerned, their moral policies are set in place by chance.

 

[Saikonate]

Why is "tolerating someone's opinion" going only one way in matters like these... there's dozens of things in nature that might happen through genes (if it is a genetic issue... if it is a behavioural issue it is just a difference in point of view), from genes that make some people more prone to obesity or making their skin very sensitive to sunlight, being small in stature throughout their life, mental impairment to growing extra limbs in varying degrees affecting someone's life and in a lot of cases they're searching for a "cure".

It's up to each and either individual to decide how they feel about it and what they want to do about it if anything. They are abnormal in the way of not belonging to the norm (which not being able to naturally reproduce is a part of). Some may feel good about it and in that case hey... more power to them. Others might not and may want to do something about it. In media today that choice seems to be largely one-sided and polarized to one side being "wrong" and the other "right". Ask yourself this, if any of these genes might be found and you had a choice for an offspring to have any of these issues or not and lead a "normal" life (which might well be a possibility soon) what would you do?

The reason that tolerating someone's opinion only cuts one way in this situation is that one side's opinion is incorrect.

Being gay is neither a purely genetic issue nor a purely behavioral issue. Even if it was purely genetic and there was a "gay gene", the medical literature no longer considers homosexuality or transgendered people to be afflicted with a behavioral disorder, so it's not something we are looking to cure any more than being born with dark skin is.

Actually, as many homosexuals as heterosexuals are perfectly capable of natural reproduction. Some even choose to. Perhaps what you mean is that they are attracted to a sex with which natural reproduction isn't possible. Even assuming you were correct in your original statement, if you view things that way, I suppose you also have to view infertile heterosexuals as somehow abnormal and worthy of a stigma.

The people who "want to do something about it" have a name, we call them bigots. Also, your closing argument smacks of eugenics. A more telling phrasing would be to ask "If you had a choice for an offspring to be black or lead a 'normal' life, what would you do?" The problem with the argument rapidly becomes apparent.

 

[Saikonate]

Nobody, in the history of mankind, has ever chosen to be gay? So, irrefutably, 100% of gays were "born that way" to quote a horrid song?

I'm not saying homosexuality isn't genetic or anything. I'm sure the most homosexuals are genetically.... well, homosexual, but you can't seriously think that no one has ever made a "life choice" and decided to be gay, can you? I mean seriously, I've seen it happen.

Yes, I can think that, and no, you haven't seen it happen.

You're conflating sexual orientation with who a person chooses to sleep with. You can choose to lead a gay lifestyle while you're straight, but it doesn't make you gay. Conversely, when a republican politician chooses to lead a straight lifestyle and then comes out of the closet after he's caught with a male escort, having led that straight lifestyle didn't make him any less gay.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

The homophobes are the ones who suffer from a disease. A disease for which, unfortunately, there is no cure.

 

[Dorian6]

What pisses me off more than anything is how these groups say homosexuality is an illness but whenever anyone says "Hey, It's not a disease, here is my evidence," the groups immediately respond with "RESPECT MY RIGHTS! YOU'RE OPPRESSING OUR BELIEFS!"

You don't have the right to be an ignorant piece of sh*t when the truth is staring you in the face!

Keeping you from oppressing and belittling others is NOT an infringement of your rights as an American!

And just because someone disproves your beliefs, that doesn't mean they're a Marxist-Fascist-Nazi, it just means your beliefs are stupid!

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

The homophobes are the ones who suffer from a disease. A disease for which, unfortunately, there is no cure.

Eh, there's one called, "not being fifteen anymore."

 

[Saikonate]

Let me rephrase my point: Why is it that ANYONE can determine that a issue can not be debated? You say that if I base my point off of "Absurd Religious texts", I am akin to people who deny the heat of the sun?

I don't know that there's a widely-agreed-upon standard for what can and can't be debated, but I think you'll agree that 'debating' whether the sun is hot or not is without purpose, even if that argument fits your definition of the word.

In the sense that you believe things that cannot be true, things that we know to be untrue based on evidence, or things that based on an appeal to supernatural authority, yes, you are akin to people who deny the heat of the sun, that Zeus throws lightning bolts from Olympus during rainstorms, or any number of other equally absurd viewpoints.

I have had this debate before, and my point is ultimately a series of ?why? questions. If anyone from my church said ?Being gay is wrong and a choice. This is not up for debate?, I would have this same disagreement with them.

In that case, you would be correct to do so, since the individual speaking would be entirely incorrect.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

How about the right to sex with whomever I choose whenever I want it? Even if it's in my neighbor's house or if it's his wife? Do I still have that right if the other person doesn't want it? Why not? I desire it, so it's my right.

Ludicrous argument is ludicrous.

In the case of rape, another person is being harmed. In a case of consenting homosexuality, nobody is being harmed or, even if Christian doctrine is to be taken as true (purely for the sake of argument), then the individuals having homosexual relations are only harming themselves and their own salvation.

Oh, and somewhere in your post you also said that sexual orientation can be changed. According to every psychologist of recognized repute, that is a load of absolute bollocks.

edit-

The homophobes are the ones who suffer from a disease. A disease for which, unfortunately, there is no cure.

Eh, there's one called, "not being fifteen anymore."

Then why are the homophobes more prevalent in the older generations, whereas the youth, more frequently, see the truth that there is nothing wrong with homosexuals?

However, it is true that there is one cure for homophobia that I didn't bring up- time. Eventually, those older generations will be dead. Then it will be our world. Hopefully, a free world.

 

[j0frenzy]

Let's see if I can open up an actual dialogue here without starting a flame war...

I share the basic beliefs of the creator of this app. I believe homosexuality is sinful. That it is a deliberate misuse of the sacred power of procreation. That as part of my eternal significance as a Man, I must choose a companion from among my Heavenly Father's daughters and love her, cherish her, and create the physical vessels of our children with her. Then, the spirits of our Lord's children shall enter these vessels and it will be our responsibility to nurture and raise these children, giving them the best life has to offer. This is the precedent the Lord set forth from the beginning.

Where exactly in this model is there room for homosexuality? And why is it hateful to simply say that it has no place in this model?

Before you respond, ponder this.
Regardless of our behavior, we are all sons and daughters of God. Heavenly Father shall judge each of us according to our faith and our works. Not mortal men, but a perfect and omni-benevolent Father.

As fellow sons and daughters of God, those who call themselves "homosexual" have all of my respect that a Spirit Brother should have for his siblings.

But this does not extend to their actions. When I say Homosexuality is immoral, I mean specifically homosexual acts, are immoral. That does not mean that whoever is doing these acts are worth less or a disease to be destroyed, whether they claim to be gay, lesbian, queer, bisexual, or even heterosexual and experimenting.
What a person intrinsically is and what they do are fundamentally two different things.
Those who misuse and abuse their Sexuality are only hurting themselves in the process.

We are created Male and Female for a reason.

Alright, I accept your point of view, but would like to bring across my own. What if I believe that there is no God or divine creator. What if I believe that all of existence is just a series of random coincidences with no higher purpose. What if I believe that the creation of genders is a part of nature that humans adapted for the sake of some form of genetic diversity and that it is only to ensure the survival of the human race according to nature rather than the cause of some higher being. What if I believe that we offend only other humans when we partake in acts of sex without the intent of procreation, that cannot possibly end in procreation. Now with all those what ifs said, why are your beliefs more valid than mine?

All of that being said, I believe this app has the right to exist. It has the right to be marketed. But Apple is absolutely within their rights to remove it from their app store. Their rights are not being abridged because no government is abridging them. Apple is a private corporation who can set whatever terms they want for people who wish to sell anything on their store. Apple should not be forced to accept every app because it represents some political view. If people think Apple is too liberal and not offering enough Gay Cure apps on their store, then they should stop buying iPods and iPhones and switch to some other multimedia device.

 

[greendrag13]

Is he kidding? Alan Chambers is as "Gay" as the day is long. But isn't that always the way. He's found god or whatever, now he wants to help other Gay men "cure" their homosexuality, too. That is just so freaking stupid. Seriously, this guy is so far back in that closet his ass will end-up in the "Land of Narina".

This guy is a dick. The "Gay Cure", what the fuck? You cannot "cure" being Gay "A-hole". That is you personal, self-righteous, opinion. Just like my personal opinion is? that you're in denial about who you really are and should maybe talk to someone about YOUR PERSONAL issues of a sexual nature. Okay.

My Gaydar lit up like a christmas tree upon seeing that picture.

Chambers is so far in the closet, he's defending Narnia this very moment.

I propose that gays in the closet be referred to as Narnians, because it is silly.

 

[drisky]

Let's see if I can open up an actual dialogue here without starting a flame war...

I share the basic beliefs of the creator of this app. I believe homosexuality is sinful. That it is a deliberate misuse of the sacred power of procreation. That as part of my eternal significance as a Man, I must choose a companion from among my Heavenly Father's daughters and love her, cherish her, and create the physical vessels of our children with her. Then, the spirits of our Lord's children shall enter these vessels and it will be our responsibility to nurture and raise these children, giving them the best life has to offer. This is the precedent the Lord set forth from the beginning.

Where exactly in this model is there room for homosexuality? And why is it hateful to simply say that it has no place in this model?

Before you respond, ponder this.
Regardless of our behavior, we are all sons and daughters of God. Heavenly Father shall judge each of us according to our faith and our works. Not mortal men, but a perfect and omni-benevolent Father.

As fellow sons and daughters of God, those who call themselves "homosexual" have all of my respect that a Spirit Brother should have for his siblings.

But this does not extend to their actions. When I say Homosexuality is immoral, I mean specifically homosexual acts, are immoral. That does not mean that whoever is doing these acts are worth less or a disease to be destroyed, whether they claim to be gay, lesbian, queer, bisexual, or even heterosexual and experimenting.
What a person intrinsically is and what they do are fundamentally two different things.
Those who misuse and abuse their Sexuality are only hurting themselves in the process.

We are created Male and Female for a reason.

Alright fine, we'll open up a dialogue.

I'm a Catholic that thinks we need major reform with the beliefs of sex. The need to create human life is different when we have overpopulation. To many human lives whens people will eventually start dying sooner or expand so much we end up causing a mass extinction.

Also there is little difference between homosexual acts and homosexuality. You said it something that someone is, there for born with it or at least can't change it, therefore made form God, who doesn't make mistakes right. So why would God create people who can not bring themselves to have sex that allows for procreation. If God wanted them to procreate him would have made them want to sex that allows for procreation. If you don't think its a disease to be fixed you shouldn't think its evil, because not having sex isn't going to make any more babies then having homosexual sex. The opinion you have contradicts it self.

 

[jp201]

and while I agree with you, freedom of speech is not a valid argument in this situation as Apple is NOT the government.

Yeah apple OWNS the appstore so they have the right to filter whatever they want.

Freedom of speech has its limitation btw.

 

[blankedboy]

I agree with this app and I am not a christian.

You're still a troll, though.

Anyway, yeah, good thing it got taken down. Not because I'm offended by it or anything, but it's definitely giving the wrong ideas to some very ignorant people.

 

[AgDr_ODST]

change the title and resubmit the app and I'd bet that a good chunk of the whiners complaining about the offensive title will probably download it, and not raise a big stink except maybe by saying its not good or useful

 

[jaketheripper]

While I think Apple can remove the app from the store, I question the wisdom in doing so. To remove a viewpoint (controversial as it may be) is rather foolish, as it draws attention to the issue. Heck, I have seen several apps that promote Cannabis usage, and yet an app to ?cure? gay is not allowed?

Im pretty sure theres a difference between pot and claiming that homosexuality can be cured.....

 

[Saikonate]

I agree with this app and I am not a christian.

...wait... what?

Please elaborate...

He's saying that he is a bigot.

I share the basic beliefs of the creator of this app. I believe homosexuality is sinful...

Naturally, you believe this on Biblical justification. Some of the same parts of the Bible that condemn homosexuality also instruct you to kill anyone who has beliefs different than your own (Deut 17:2-7), that you should put to death anyone who blasphemes god (Lev. 24:16), to stone anyone who gets raped and doesn't scream loud enough (Deut. 22:23-24), kill anyone who breaks the sabbath (Num. 15:32-56) etc.

So either you pick and choose which sections of the Bible are meaningful, and your idea that homosexuality is a sin is just as arbitrary as any of your beliefs, or you've got a whooooole lot of killin' to catch up on.