Are Atheists Right?

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Kasawd

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I, personally, can be called alot of things. Anywhere from Pantheist to Occultist. What this often pertains to, as is the case with myself, that my spirituality is an effort to learn and understand the knowledge and concepts of every religion I can find. This also means experimentation with many metaphysical concepts. Put quite simply, I search for any possible truth or wisdom I can find by going about it as a spiritual person.

If THAT makes any sense to any of you.
 

EeveeElectro

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No religion is 'right'
And people who try to tell me that their religion is 'right', I call them preachers and avoid them in the street.
 

WrongSprite

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You did NOT just make this thread.

This will only end in tears. Personally I think they're right, but I don't see why that matters.
 

Skeleon

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Pyre00 said:
Most atheists assume that if a god exsist he has to be a good guy.
Most (i.e. all) atheists assume there is no god.
At all. Neither nice nor bad.
 

HentMas

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no, Ateists only have a different opinion than everyone who is not an ateist... so they cant be "right" by definition

you cant "prove" or "disprove" the existence of God
 

Nickolai77

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Well i choose to base my knowledge of reality based on what we can "sense" to exist- so i choose to base my knoledge on what science shows to be "true"

We can not "sense" God or anything else metaphysical, so its fairly logical to say he probably does not exist. To take the God arguments such as- The world is really complex, therefore a creator exists, or that the big bang must have been made by God etc- there all assuming that a "God" could only have done that and not by natural physical means (take the complexity of life on earth for example, that can be explained by evolution) It is an even bigger assumption to say this is the God of classical Christian belief- )and i believe that some wise philosopher said you don't jump a chasm in two leaps).

Therefore Christians have "faith" in God existing, and i am fine letting them have "faith" but i don't like making huge assumptions in my beliefs about reality. Which is why i am an atheist.
 

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Allow me to conclude this thread, people will always have different views and believe different things, aetheists will take your side, rational christians or other religious people will accept your views, mention theirs and move on, fanatics and not-so-rational religious people will try to convert or verbally slaughter you, and these threads usually end in massive flame wars and hating.

/thread
 

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stefanbertramlee said:
Pyre00 said:
Most atheists assume that if a god exsist he has to be a good guy.

I think agonostics have the right idea.
since when, personlly i think god wouldnt be the nicest guy
Eat more Cooler Ranch Doritos.
 

TopHatTim

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Flap Jack452 said:
Christ, if you want to know literally every member's personal beliefs look at one of the many religion threads. I'm sure we all posted on one at some point.

TLDR version: Use search bar, you can't even act like you tried.
EHHH i dont fucking appreaciating you using the lords name in vien!.







Nawh im just joking man, im athiest.
 

Skeleon

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HentMas said:
you cant "prove" or "disprove" the existence of God
Yes, and that is completely okay in itself.
When it remains faith.

I get angry when faith is mixed into science or made out to be a real scientific alternative.
Faith has no place in the realm of constant doubt.
At the risk of repeating myself, it's a spiritual and ethical guideline.

It is not disprovable and therefore has no place in science which is based around creating hypotheses, checking them, disproving them and coming up with a new one.

Saying "a wizard did it" hinders progress.

So, as long as faith and science stay out of their respective gardens, everything is fine.
Don't mix them!

Pyre00 said:
I did say "if".
Whoops, sorry. Though that also implies some doubt in the atheists' mindset. Which would be more appropriate for agnostics than actual atheists.
 

Nickolai77

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Btw, I know my reply may be stating the obvious, but i was giving the sort of reply i thought the Op was looking for.

And i agree these threads do tend to get flamed... and the subject is old.
 

Mackinator

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Flap Jack452 said:
Christ, if you want to know literally every member's personal beliefs look at one of the many religion threads. I'm sure we all posted on one at some point.

TLDR version: Use search bar, you can't even act like you tried.
Yeah I know what you mean, but ill bite.
I find that most people's beliefs strengthen as they get older and they believe in something.

Athiests can believe whatever they want, and Im not biting anymore religious threads.
 

Eneljie

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isn't asking whether atheists are right kind of arrogant? they're just a different religion! if it were a color of light, it would be darkness, still counted, just as the complete lack of belief. My point is, no body can ever truly be sure, they might be wrong, they might be right, we have no ability to tell as the question is not one we ever possibly answer with 100 percent accuracy. here is an example: think about how old the Bible, old testament, new testament, the whole thing, think about how old that book is. That book started out as a large collective of tales, that may have in fact at one point in time been a book that scientifically told every secret to living a good life. I say at one point in time because, think about this: The Bible had to be written and rewritten thousands of times over before the invention of the printing press. Have you ever played the telephone game? The Bible is Thousands of pages long, does anyone actually believe that, through out these thousands of rewritings and translations, ALL of the translators got ALL of those sentences, statements, and stories correct? The thing could have been a manual for inventions that turned water into wine, allowed people to walk on water, and return life to the dead, but it might have been lost in translation. I'm not saying to dismiss the entire Bible, Koran, or Old Testament, I'm just saying take these things with a grain of salt, because, despite the fact that they may have caused more deaths than any other books in the entirety of existence, they may have once told the truth about religion, and for that, they deserve our respect.
 

CJ1145

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I really wish, though, that atheists weren't so rock-solid about their beliefs. That's not the way I want to put it, but it best describes in my opinion the basic personalities I see in many atheists I've talked to in the sense that

A. They believe they are right.
B. They believe they cannot be wrong.
C. They believe A and B, and thus you are wrong.
D. If you are wrong, you're not as good as them.

I'm not saying this applies to all, but I'm basically begging anymore to be proven wrong, because I've talked to atheists, been friends with them for a long time, and when I wish to have a friendly debate and bring up the topic, they go homicidal on me. Why is this?
 

sallene

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SharPhoe said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
No! We are not going through this again!
It's like watching the fall of the Hindenburg again. No one wants to relive that.
Im sure there are a few pyromaniacs who would disagree with you....



but onwards to the topic.



neither atheists or the religous have it right.

Religions often anthropormorphise their concept of god to some degree, prime example being that of god's motivations and it's curious fixation with man according to most religions.

Atheists on the other hand discount the myriad of possiblities inherent in the universe. So yes, while science has not got hard evidence of a "god" figure yet, it does not mean that in the future science will not find a way in which everything is connected in some deeper way.

I myself do not label myself with such polarized terms. I do not have the balls to profess the type of hubris required to say one way or the other.
 

SecretTacoNinja

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Yes we are, in my personal opinion.

CJ1145 said:
I really wish, though, that atheists weren't so rock-solid about their beliefs. That's not the way I want to put it, but it best describes in my opinion the basic personalities I see in many atheists I've talked to in the sense that

A. They believe they are right.
B. They believe they cannot be wrong.
C. They believe A and B, and thus you are wrong.
D. If you are wrong, you're not as good as them.

I'm not saying this applies to all, but I'm basically begging anymore to be proven wrong, because I've talked to atheists, been friends with them for a long time, and when I wish to have a friendly debate and bring up the topic, they go homicidal on me. Why is this?
Well we atheists think that religion is rather silly, I know I was at a point where I was angry at religion and thought religious people were bloody idiots. That was about a year ago and now I'm a lot more well, mature about it (Creationists on the other hand...). Maybe your friends just need to mature a bit. I try to not offend religious people when I state my opinions but it's very hard seeing that religion is an incredibly touchy subject.
 
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I take an interesting view of the world of Gods. If there even was a creator God, the world is in such a mess, and he/she seems to take such unbelievable joy in putting us through misery/putting interesting dangerous toys in front of our faces, that even if there was a God, I feel more like shaking my fist at the skies than kneeling down in worship most of the time.

For example, why create the requirements for a nuke? Just what was that in aid of?

So as it is, even if there is a God, there might as well not be in my book, for all the help he/she is/ they are. A big thumbs up for creating us, but could you do something to help your creations now?

Note, I do not have anything against religious people and I do not have any desire to start a flame war out of this. I was just expressing my opinion on the subject.