Are Men Allowed To Be Offended?
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Yes, there are some that consider themselves advocates of "Woman's Rights" who are as bad as the totality of Men's Rights Advocates. The Men's Rights Movement is to actual men's rights (which is a serious issue) along the same lines as North Korea is to a Democratic Republic, or PETA is to ethical treatment of animals.Sleekit said:
A lot of Vine videos discriminate male whites?then again?.Vine does have a "it's ok the to be racist if it's funny" mentality.
Besides, do we finally have a chance to educate people about the difference between the word "feminist" and "misandrist"? Oh thank you!
Besides, do we finally have a chance to educate people about the difference between the word "feminist" and "misandrist"? Oh thank you!
actually, I'd have to disagree with you on male representation in video games - males do not have variety in the sense that I think you believe that they do. I've heard of Street fighter being used a lot as an example - sure, there may be multiple ethnicities represented on the male side of the scales, but when you take that away, every one of them is a musclehead powerhouse - when you break it all down to image, all men in video games are basically bodybuilders and women are sexualized eye candy.Rebel_Raven said:
Of course this is all just how I see it so if it's wrong, oh well.
Of course they are. Discrimination is discrimination. Gender, race, sexual orientation is irrelevant.
If a woman is allowed to be offended by a dongle joke, then men are certainly allowed to be offended by the word "penis".
If a woman is allowed to be offended by a dongle joke, then men are certainly allowed to be offended by the word "penis".
...I'm not straight.Jim_Callahan said:
I feel pretty confident in saying that the following designs;Jim_Callahan said:
...Were not designed to appeal to a female power fantasy. That they were, in fact, designed to titillate men. Male designs may be handsome (because people want their characters to be handsome), but they are rarely near-naked (because most people don't want their characters to be perpetually near-naked, if their characters are the same sex as them).
I think you know this too, but you're seeing equivalence where none exists.
I think you might be moving the goal posts a little here.thaluikhain said:
My claim was not that "politicians aren't sexist", nor that "sexism plays no part in party politics". In fact, I believe both of those claims are false, and I most certainly do believe sexism is an issue. I'm puzzled how you were drawn to questioning this from my example.
My claim was only that in this specific instance there was no discrimination, because any sexist people simply did not have a (plausible) opportunity to do so, and yet the result was heavily biased. And I used this as an example to show that such a thing is possible; and so that the claim "heavily gendered results require discrimination" is false.
And I feel we're drifting further away from the topic. If you're interested in pursuing it further perhaps we could make a new thread? Please send me a PM if you do, so I don't miss it.
Cheers
Ah, well, I think that that example doesn't hold true, that discrimination was still likely a factor, and thus you can't draw conclusions from it, but yeah, getting a bit off-topic.oreso said:
You do, certainly. Not every female character is sexualised, but I think it's fairly clear there's a preponderance of non-armours for female characters in comparison with male. Even personal favourites, like GW1, do it. You simply don't see male characters walking around in a chain g-string and nothing else, whereas it's a common sight on female characters.Jim_Callahan said:
I was not acquainted with Yordles, but I'm glad I now am.
On a side-note, tis a shame you didn't pick up the 'straightest male' thing again; I found that incredibly amusing. Surely we'd be more likely to want equality in the sexualisation department!
I don't know if it's "okay" or not, but I sure as hell am offended, annoyed, and angered every single time I get offended because someone makes a comment about my race, gender, religion, political views, sexual orientation, or what have you, and when I try to tell them that I'm offended, I get the attitude that I'm not allowed to be offended because I'm a Straight White Christian Conservative Man.KissingSunlight said:
News for all the liberals out there; I'm not EVERY Straight White Christian Conservative Man. I'm ONE Straight White Christian Conservative Man. I've never raped a woman, beaten a gay, oppressed a black, or crusaded against a Muslim. Why is it okay to mock ME based on what other people who share characteristics with me have done in the past? And when you insult ME, I get insulted. Not for some bizarre idea of a cabal of Straight White Christian Conservative Men that get together to oppress minorities. I get insuled for ME, who is being insulted. It's the antithesis to how whenever ONE white guy insults ONE black guy, suddenly he's a racist who was verbally warring against an entire race. It is possible for one white guy to just really hate one black guy for what that one black guy has said or done without hating every other innocent black guy in the world. By the same token, when someone mocks Christians, even if I am not the idea of Christian that they have in their mind, since I identify MYSELF as a Christian, due to my overt Christianity, I am therefore mocked.
And honestly? I don't really care to change that. This is America, you can mock me and mine as much as you want. But when I get offended, don't you dare tell me I'm not allowed to be. Tell me, "Well, I understand that you're offended, but we have the Freedom of Speech guaranteed by the first amendment here. I can offend you, and you can do the same to me in return," to which I would reply by shrugging, smiling, and saying, "Then God Bless America, you filthy Socialist D-bag."
Nope. No, we're not. We should be, it's legal for us to be but if you're a straight white man you're pretty much fair game. Doesn't matter if you're not sexist, racist, homophobic etc. It's generally assumed that you are.
Well I don't know much about american law, but here in the State of Queensland our male employee is well within his rights to take the matter to court under the anti-discrimination act under grounds of sexual harassment, work place bullying and both racial and gender discrimination. The fact that the CEO was stupid enough to voice her feelings in public would be enough for the employees council to nail the stupid person to the legal wall. Good for him, I hope he gets his moneys worth.KissingSunlight said:
To answer your underlying question...Of course men are allowed to be offended. What truly matters is how far are you prepared to let your feelings be offended. Are you the sought of douche bag who gets immediately pissed at even the slightest misdeed or are you patient enough to let things slide. In the case of our white male employee it sounds like the dude carried on like a trooper until enough was enough.
Different strokes for different folks as so far as sexual attraction is concerned, but the key difference between a more inclusive hyper-masculine power fantasy and a deliberately exclusive hyper-masculine power fantasy is immediately apparent when you glance at the character's face.Silvanus said:
If the beefcake resembles Arnold Schwarzenegger in Conan(1982), who was only an unbuttoned fuchsia shaded shirt away from appearing on the cover of a romance novel, then whatever you're looking at is probably going to be a guilty pleasure for someone.
If the beefcake resembles Kratos from God Of War, who looks like he was sat in front of the discharge port of a wood chipper while the ugly tree was fed through feed mechanism and resembles nothing so much as the physical incarnation of the will to hate fuck the universe, then it's probably safe to say they don't care if their product attracts any female fans.
Although if Pyramid Head has fan girls penning fan-fiction rape, I suppose anything is possible.
Can they? It seems like they do it all the time, whether it's merited or not.
When honestly, the reason claims like this aren't taken seriously is less because people are being mean to men and more because the claims of persecution are absurd. You haven't pointed out an example of men being unable to complain. You haven't even really pointed out an example of them being shouted down. You've pointed out an example of someone trying to drum up a reasn to say "men have the same problems!"
This argument is often used to attempt to silence a minority or other disadvantaged group. "Well, I'm objectified just as bad, so STFu!" by way of example.
So many guys talk about ho bad they have it....Wonder if they'd trade.
In short, it's not so much that men can't complain, it's that you're bringing up examples of the equivalent of 'first world problems.'
"There are starving people in Africa? Well, I skipped lunch today. SAME THING."
And honestly, men do have problems. It's just this tendency for a majority to compare themselves to a minority (or a 'higher class' to compare themselves to a 'lower' one) that is a problem. Guys have problems. They just can't expect to go toe to toe.
Here, for example. Men get the male characters tailored to them and the female characters tailored to them, and still complain that they're being discriminated against in games And when someone tries to point out that= their status is not one of objectification, they tend to complain that they're shouted down or otherwise ignored.KissingSunlight said:
When honestly, the reason claims like this aren't taken seriously is less because people are being mean to men and more because the claims of persecution are absurd. You haven't pointed out an example of men being unable to complain. You haven't even really pointed out an example of them being shouted down. You've pointed out an example of someone trying to drum up a reasn to say "men have the same problems!"
This argument is often used to attempt to silence a minority or other disadvantaged group. "Well, I'm objectified just as bad, so STFu!" by way of example.
So many guys talk about ho bad they have it....Wonder if they'd trade.
In short, it's not so much that men can't complain, it's that you're bringing up examples of the equivalent of 'first world problems.'
"There are starving people in Africa? Well, I skipped lunch today. SAME THING."
And honestly, men do have problems. It's just this tendency for a majority to compare themselves to a minority (or a 'higher class' to compare themselves to a 'lower' one) that is a problem. Guys have problems. They just can't expect to go toe to toe.
Just because it's not a serious problem doesn't change the fact that she's setting a bad example for her co workers, and should be publicly shamed for doing so. It shouldn't matter where sexism, racism or homophobia comes from it's still wrong. Fact.
