Army Reports Success Luring Recruits With Videogames

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Travis Higuet said:
Ignoring the Internet Tough Guy routine..

I don't see any issue with this, except for the fact that these pre-teens might end up deciding to sign up for the Army by liking of a video game based (loosely) on it.

A lot of people are idiots about this stuff, don't pretend like no one would ever join the Army because they loved Modern Warfare 2.

Edit: No, I am not anti-War or anti-soldier in any way, shape, or form. Get that clear first. Though I do not look nicely upon wars in which are started based on propaganda lies and wealth, either.
 

Baldr

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The US Government is one of the major publishers of violent video games, it would be absolutely ludicrous to believe they could also ban the sale of them.
 

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SODAssault said:
Oh, I get you, protesters. From now on, whenever we sell a military-based shooter, it should come bundled with a controller that shoots you in the face whenever your character gets hit, because anything else would be dishonest propaganda.
No, its dishonest propaganda when its used by the American army to get people hyped about going to war and recruiting in a special "experience centre".
Seriously, how come you fail to see the difference?
 

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No, its dishonest propaganda when its used by the American army to get people hyped about going to war and recruiting in a special "experience centre".
Seriously, how come you fail to see the difference?
I'm not failing to see any difference. What bothers me is the fact that everybody acts like putting a positive spin on a situation in order to gain recruits is anything new, at all. This has been going on forever, and people are only now getting offended because video games are involved. This bothers me for the same reason as when the "think of the children" helicopter moms tried to have SouthPark removed because it was a cartoon: it shows that they think the medium is aimed directly at children, and is therefore held to a ridiculously exclusive standard. There's minimal outcry against war movies that glamorize combat and soldiering, but video games? Well, golly, I guess they've crossed some sort of moral boundary.

Besides, you need to be honest with yourself; can you really blame the Army for not wanting to give potential recruits PTSD before they even take the bus to boot camp? Of course it's dishonest (to a degree), but in a volunteer-based military, do you really expect recruiters to hit you with casualty statistics and stories about watching their friends die, the second you walk up to them? Let me put it this way: have you seen an Army commercial? You know the ones, where the military funds a very short film about how the Army is the greatest thing that can happen to you (hell, Navy markets itself as, and I quote, a "Life Accelerator"), and airs it between breaks on your favorite show? Why is nobody getting their panties in a twist over those? They've got the same message and intent, but when those are applied to a video game, suddenly it's protesting time?
 

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Sigh...if I have to read one more "US soldiers are heroez!" post I'm gonna barf.
Soldiering is a profession, and one willingly entered into at this point.
And they aren't fighting nazi's, nor are they peacekeepers.
Is everyone who risks life and limb for a paycheck a hero?
More couriers are injured every year than soldiers in active combat, does that make them heroes?
They are working to make the country a functioning entity, aren't they? without them the country wouldn't exist.
Actually, I'm starting to see the trollbait in this post, so I'm gonna stop now.
 

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SODAssault said:
maxben said:
No, its dishonest propaganda when its used by the American army to get people hyped about going to war and recruiting in a special "experience centre".
Seriously, how come you fail to see the difference?
I'm not failing to see any difference. What bothers me is the fact that everybody acts like putting a positive spin on a situation in order to gain recruits is anything new, at all. This has been going on forever, and people are only now getting offended because video games are involved. This bothers me for the same reason as when the "think of the children" helicopter moms tried to have SouthPark removed because it was a cartoon: it shows that they think the medium is aimed directly at children, and is therefore held to a ridiculously exclusive standard. There's minimal outcry against war movies that glamorize combat and soldiering, but video games? Well, golly, I guess they've crossed some sort of moral boundary.

Besides, you need to be honest with yourself; can you really blame the Army for not wanting to give potential recruits PTSD before they even take the bus to boot camp? Of course it's dishonest (to a degree), but in a volunteer-based military, do you really expect recruiters to hit you with casualty statistics and stories about watching their friends die, the second you walk up to them? Let me put it this way: have you seen an Army commercial? You know the ones, where the military funds a very short film about how the Army is the greatest thing that can happen to you (hell, Navy markets itself as, and I quote, a "Life Accelerator"), and airs it between breaks on your favorite show? Why is nobody getting their panties in a twist over those? They've got the same message and intent, but when those are applied to a video game, suddenly it's protesting time?
First of all, I don't care in what way the army tries to make itself sound fun, its still wrong. IF the offers a tonne of benefits (schooling and the like) that's legitimate, but if they hired South Park to make a cartoon supporting recruitment, that would be propaganda.
Everything is what it is used for, a rock is a rock unless its a weapon. As such you can't be charged for carrying around a rock as if it is a weapon, but if you hit someone with a rock and kill them than it counts as a weapon.
So what I'm saying is that if the video game is used in an inappropriate way, those using the video game inappropriately should be charged. The makers of the video game, the players of the video game, and the video game itself have nothing to do with it.

Now, as for the volunteer army, I just want to say I'm shocked at you. I mean, you name yourself after system of a down and your picture is that of Serj and yet you don't seem to agree with their underlying message (I guess you like sound over meaning, many people are like that). I am against promotion of the military. In Canada, where I live, it is illegal to recruit on campuses or highs schools. I haven't seen a Canadian military ad for 5 years or so either. What you are saying is that you guys have an aggressive volunteer-based military so its hard to find recruits. But isn't that the problem? It's aggressive. A defensive army has little issue finding recruits. Also, the benefits are real and supporting benefits for soldiers increases recruiting. Personally, I think they should institute a peace-time draft because than there is no way anyone would vote for war seeing that their kids are in the army and there would be enough soldiers to protect America's legitimate interests (wartime draft, like Vietnam, comes out of necessity so its different and wrong).

So yes, I have problems with aggressive armies with aggressive and misleading recruitment tactics, regardless of what those tactics are they are fraud. So I want them charged with fraud and as troop levels crash it will force the army to rethink itself and become a legitimate entity. You are comfortable promoting the status qua for some reason, though if I was to guess its because you are apathetic about it and/or believe the army's current reality is the only way it can possibly be and/or are just happy that it's not you so it doesn't matter. That's very American of you.
 

Antari

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So no one down there has heard of misrepresentation laws huh? But hey its the government lets just watch them do whatever they want.
 

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nonl33t m4st3r said:
Loonerinoes said:
While it is true that most middle-class people would not be more attracted to joining armed forces after playing videogames, problem is that the middle-class never is the army's target.

It's always the uninformed poor, who try to escape whatever misery they're already in and when they see something as fun as videogames right next to promotionals for signing up to the military, they tend to subconsciously connect the two.
That is a complete falsehood. To quote a Washington Post article:

"'"The new excuse is, I'd never send my son to fight in Iraq," says Schaeffer. An author with no military background who lives in an affluent area near Boston, Schaeffer also blames the lingering priorities of the Me Generation. "My class are dismissive of anything other than the glittering fast track of money.'

Statistically, recruits are less likely to come from affluent Zip codes such as those in many Washington area suburbs. Some claim this is because military recruiters target the poor. But recruiters are not welcome in most affluent neighborhoods...

Civilian and military researchers have confirmed that recruiters are not targeting the very rich, but neither are they aiming at the very poor -- the privileged aren't interested, and the disadvantaged can't handle the increasingly technical training. It's the middle they're after.

Studies by organizations ranging from the University of Maryland's Center for Research on Military Organization to think tanks to the Department of Defense indicate that members of the military are actually better educated on average than their peers. As many as 98 percent earned a high school diploma or equivalency degree, compared with 75 percent to 84 percent of young civilians

Until Vietnam, the military broke down along the same political lines as the rest of the country, about one-third independent, one-third Democratic, one-third Republican. The enlisted ranks still do. But in the past 30 years, the officer corps has undergone a revolution. In the most recent comprehensive study, conducted in the late 1990s by the Triangle Institute for Security Studies, Republican officers outnumbered Democrats 8 to 1. In 2006, only 16 percent of Army Times active-duty readers, who are mostly senior in rank, declared themselves Democrats.

Contrary to a common misperception, minorities are only slightly overrepresented in the military, making up 35 percent of service personnel compared to about 33 percent of the general population.

Overall, recruits tend to come from small towns. And, while these small towns often have a boarded-up factory, family incomes indicate that those joining the military are the upwardly mobile working middle class.

There's clearly some self-selection going on, too, because nearly half of all Army recruits are following in the footsteps of a parent who has served. We seem to be creating an American warrior class."

The link to the article is here. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/18/AR2007071802785.html]

In short, the military is not made up of uninformed lower class drones, like you suggest. In fact, the opposite is true; the military is better educated, and just a diverse as the civilian population at large. They are middle class, and it's more to do with family history than any sort of "brain-washing."
Huh. Interesting...and actually also fairly possible too.

Granted, I wonder if this applies to outside the USA as well, but given the fact that the link was given with that example in mind, tis good to know.
 

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paragon1 said:
Orcus_35 said:
That's the main reason why there's so much FPS games, and why it has become so popular... recruitment propaganda has never been so lucrative as nowadays...
Have you played either Modern Warfare? I seriously doubt U.S. Army "propaganda" is going to feature the player stabbing a U.S. Army general in the face as its endgame. Maybe the U.K. Army, but not the U.S. Army.
it's all part of the show... sell you dreams and hapiness to make you feel like Rambo. that's why Modern Warfare is one of the most jarhead-ed games of all times according to many people out there.
 

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Orcus_35 said:
paragon1 said:
Orcus_35 said:
That's the main reason why there's so much FPS games, and why it has become so popular... recruitment propaganda has never been so lucrative as nowadays...
Have you played either Modern Warfare? I seriously doubt U.S. Army "propaganda" is going to feature the player stabbing a U.S. Army general in the face as its endgame. Maybe the U.K. Army, but not the U.S. Army.
it's all part of the show... sell you dreams and hapiness to make you feel like Rambo. that's why Modern Warfare is one of the most jarhead-ed games of all times according to many people out there.
And getting fried by radiation or stabbed in the chest is a dream of happiness...how exactly?
 

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I don't have any problem with this it all. The army needs to spin itself as a viable career path if it wants to have any chance of recruiting. And you all seem to be ignoring that it is, in fact, a viable career path -- a way to make a decent living and get discounts on education -- opportunities that may not be available to some people elsewhere.

Most people recognize that a job in the army is more dangerous than . . . say . . . a data entry job and, if they really don't, well, there's Darwin for you. Also, it would seem to me that video games about war may make these people even more aware that the military can be a dangerous occupation -- how many of you can get through Call of Duty without dying -- even with the ridiculous regenerating health etc? Most people realize that if you get shot, you're dead or hurt really bad in most cases. So I actually don't see how the game is deceptive. In fact, as for deception, I bet more "lies" or highly spun facts come out of the mouths of the recruiters themselves. Playing these games make me realize how dangerous real war must be -- not make me think I'm immortal in real life.

I guess it could all come down to the fact that I have no moral problems with the military or the use of controlled violence to support our interests -- economic and otherwise -- in the world. It's the cost of empire (or world hegemony, depending on how you look at it). I honor those who risk their lives to support our continued world dominion -- as, ultimately, that is in my interest. I can see if you have an anti-violence morality how you might have a problem with this.

Given my lack of problems with the military, my belief that the military provides viable career options to those who choose to join it and the fact that I don't believe these practices are deceptive -- I have no problems.
 

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paragon1 said:
Orcus_35 said:
paragon1 said:
Orcus_35 said:
That's the main reason why there's so much FPS games, and why it has become so popular... recruitment propaganda has never been so lucrative as nowadays...
Have you played either Modern Warfare? I seriously doubt U.S. Army "propaganda" is going to feature the player stabbing a U.S. Army general in the face as its endgame. Maybe the U.K. Army, but not the U.S. Army.
it's all part of the show... sell you dreams and hapiness to make you feel like Rambo. that's why Modern Warfare is one of the most jarhead-ed games of all times according to many people out there.
And getting fried by radiation or stabbed in the chest is a dream of happiness...how exactly?
what are you talking about?

fallout ?
 

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Orcus_35 said:
paragon1 said:
Orcus_35 said:
paragon1 said:
Orcus_35 said:
That's the main reason why there's so much FPS games, and why it has become so popular... recruitment propaganda has never been so lucrative as nowadays...
Have you played either Modern Warfare? I seriously doubt U.S. Army "propaganda" is going to feature the player stabbing a U.S. Army general in the face as its endgame. Maybe the U.K. Army, but not the U.S. Army.
it's all part of the show... sell you dreams and hapiness to make you feel like Rambo. that's why Modern Warfare is one of the most jarhead-ed games of all times according to many people out there.
And getting fried by radiation or stabbed in the chest is a dream of happiness...how exactly?
what are you talking about?

fallout ?
Cod4: Modern Warfare, one of the characters you play as, a Marine, dies from the fallout of a nearby nuclear explosion. Modern Warfare Two: Two of the characters you play as get killed, and the third gets stabbed in the chest. You really didn't play those games, did you? They most certainly don't "sell you dreams and happiness and make you feel like Rambo." Not on the harder difficulties anyway.
 

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"Video games turn kids into mindless killing machines!" - Jack Thompson

"Killing machines, you say? Tell me more, Mr. Thompson" - Defense Secretary Robert Gates, steepling his fingers
 
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tellmeimaninja said:
WrongSprite said:
Protesters should realise that people are not stupid enough to join the army over a game.

It's not just something you do on a whim, it's a very serious decision.
True, but you greatly underestimate the stupidity of people.
I'm pretty sure a friend of mine joined the army based on a COD obsession. After months of play war, he decided he was wasting his life...so now he does it for real.

He never showed any interest in the military before that game.