I think it has to do with changes in culture manly men are just not considered attractive anymore
Arnold....I am sad,
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Personally I think todays bodybuilders are just too big. Arnold has a pretty sweet body, as he didnt have the giant thighs they have today.Tyrant55 said:
Someone mentioned Statham etc and those are good actors, but none of them have that aura of immortality like Arnold had.
I always thought Bruce Willis was the best action hero, but I will admit that Arnie is an unstoppable badass. Bruce just seems to be the only one of those guys capable of actually acting.
I don't know.imahobbit4062 said:How does he plan to fire shotguns that have no triggers?Sean Hollyman said:Yeahllew said:
I would say Simon Pegg, but he's not really a traditional action hero..
Oh..
Did you really just question the methods of the finest cop in the Metro Police?
Yeah, Nathan Fillion and Neal Patrick Harris are being over over here, so I can't hear the OP either.Sean Hollyman said:
Bodybuilding is purely a subjective sport, so of course if the judges were changed then in theory anybody could win. Go look at a picture of Arnold in his prime, and while his upper body may have been amazing for its time, his legs were never really anything special. In Arnold's time the lower body was not judged nearly as harshly as it is now, so many competitors got along fine with comparatively lagging lower bodies (Tom Platz is famous for having the exact opposite problem, he was built like a T-Rex with massive legs and a comparatively weak upper body).Luna said:
Also, to say that aesthetics are dead in bodybuilding is false IMO. Go look at Victor Martinez, he may not be the biggest mass monster out there but he came close to winning the Olympia just because he is so well-rounded.
Maybe he just has them to look cool?imahobbit4062 said:I did.Sean Hollyman said:I don't know.imahobbit4062 said:How does he plan to fire shotguns that have no triggers?Sean Hollyman said:Yeahllew said:
I would say Simon Pegg, but he's not really a traditional action hero..
Oh..
Did you really just question the methods of the finest cop in the Metro Police?
...Only because I rewatched it two days ago, and found out that in that scene there was no triggers on both shotguns. I thought it was funny.
I can't remember if he actually uses them..
Calling Schwarzenegger a "hero" is stretching that term into meaninglessness, but there really was nobody like him. He made three good movies, a string of mediocre ones, and two bad ones. For Hollywood, that's not bad at all.
Again, it's a purely subjective sport at any rate. Personally, I'll take massively muscular thighs over big arms any day of the week. As somebody who lifts weights myself, I know for a fact that getting big legs takes more blood, sweat, and dedication than building any other body part. A reason for this is because there are less androgen receptors in the lower body, so basically that means that steroid use has much less of an effect on the lower body than the upper body. Also, big arms require less demanding exercises like curls, but to get big legs you're going to have to spend some time with heavy weight on your back in the squat rack. So I guess that's why I really appreciate muscular lower bodies in bodybuilding, it's one of the best signs of straight up hard work and dedication (NOT saying that people with smaller legs don't work hard).Guy from the 80 said:
Yeah, Jason Statham is pretty much the modern Arnold Schwarzenegger, only he can actually act worth a damn.
This is in terms of film career, by the way. Part of what makes Schwarzenegger so popular is that his bad acting makes him so funny and easily parodied (especially all his famous quotes). But other than that, he?s just a unique guy, who has appeared in multiple great films. Like Statham, he?s basically playing himself in every film, but he makes that role his own (although Statham can genuinely act, but he just gets typecast).
Which is why I?m more than peeved that they?re remaking Total Recall, and with Colin Farell. He?s a good actor, but not even he will be able to save Hollywood from shitting all over that unnecessary remake. Rule of thumb: don?t remake classics, and definitely don?t remake Schwarzenegger classics.
Anyway, I don?t know why you?re moaning about Schwarzenegger?s bodybuilding career. That?s largely irrelevant to his cultural phenomenon status that?s mostly thanks to his film career. And I think your qualms about bodybuilding are, frankly, stupid. If he wants to pump up on steroids (which is, like, only one part of the job, and even then, it?s not as if they all do it), then he can.
If models want to starve themselves half to death, then they can. And people sometimes can?t help being role models. I don?t like the fact that Lady Gaga is a role model for many teenage girls, but she?s not necessarily doing anything wrong. Encouraging kids to take up a valid occupation such as bodybuilding is just as bad as encouraging kids to be attention-seeking whores who rely on gimmicks to sell their Madonna rip-off records.
This is in terms of film career, by the way. Part of what makes Schwarzenegger so popular is that his bad acting makes him so funny and easily parodied (especially all his famous quotes). But other than that, he?s just a unique guy, who has appeared in multiple great films. Like Statham, he?s basically playing himself in every film, but he makes that role his own (although Statham can genuinely act, but he just gets typecast).
Which is why I?m more than peeved that they?re remaking Total Recall, and with Colin Farell. He?s a good actor, but not even he will be able to save Hollywood from shitting all over that unnecessary remake. Rule of thumb: don?t remake classics, and definitely don?t remake Schwarzenegger classics.
Anyway, I don?t know why you?re moaning about Schwarzenegger?s bodybuilding career. That?s largely irrelevant to his cultural phenomenon status that?s mostly thanks to his film career. And I think your qualms about bodybuilding are, frankly, stupid. If he wants to pump up on steroids (which is, like, only one part of the job, and even then, it?s not as if they all do it), then he can.
If models want to starve themselves half to death, then they can. And people sometimes can?t help being role models. I don?t like the fact that Lady Gaga is a role model for many teenage girls, but she?s not necessarily doing anything wrong. Encouraging kids to take up a valid occupation such as bodybuilding is just as bad as encouraging kids to be attention-seeking whores who rely on gimmicks to sell their Madonna rip-off records.
I can totally understand that logic. But do you think that big legs look better from a beaty perspective?Tyrant55 said:
Noooo! You are not entitled to your won opinion in these matters. Bad joke aside, Statham can act but I feel hes the new Bruce Willis in the sense that hes typecast. I have not seen all his movies but thats my impression. Crank 2 was pretty funny tho.Relish in Chaos said:
Arnolds strength as an actor is his ability to look bad ass on film. Not just in terms of body, but also his ability to (not sure how to put this in english) make his presence felt.
I dont think anyone could have pulled off Terminator like he did.
I can totally understand that logic. But if that guy had chicken legs but kept all of his upper body mass would he look like LESS of a freak?Guy from the 80 said:I can totally understand that logic. But do you think that big legs look better from a beaty perspective?Tyrant55 said:
I agree though, big legs will only be appreciated by those who know what it takes to get them. Whatever floats your boat. And although the ladies might not give a shit about "quad sweep" or whatever, many do love a man with powerful striated glutes
That's stretching the definition of 'damn good' a long way. Not seen London, but I can barely even remember him in Lock, Stock, and he's really not very good in Snatch.imahobbit4062 said:
Brad Pitt is 'damn good' in Snatch, Statham isn't.
He's better in The Bank Job, but even then there's nothing to write home about.
Bloody hell that's insane. He looks sculpted sometimes. No matter what he did with steroids or anything like that, no one else could do that sort of thing, with or without drugs It's always impressive seeing that sort of thing.Guy from the 80 said:
He's one of the most impressive people in the world to me. I wasn't even alive during his golden age, but the fact that he has done practically everything, and had just a huge cultural impact. I can hardly imagine what it was like. He's not my idol, I don't plan on being like him and I don't know much about what he's really like, but it's still very impressive.
EDIT: This might be a double post. My internet is acting up.