Arnold....I am sad,
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I can totally understand that logic. But if that guy had chicken legs but kept all of his upper body mass would he look like LESS of a freak?Guy from the 80 said:I can totally understand that logic. But do you think that big legs look better from a beaty perspective?Tyrant55 said:
I agree though, big legs will only be appreciated by those who know what it takes to get them. Whatever floats your boat. And although the ladies might not give a shit about "quad sweep" or whatever, many do love a man with powerful striated glutes
That's stretching the definition of 'damn good' a long way. Not seen London, but I can barely even remember him in Lock, Stock, and he's really not very good in Snatch.imahobbit4062 said:
Brad Pitt is 'damn good' in Snatch, Statham isn't.
He's better in The Bank Job, but even then there's nothing to write home about.
Bloody hell that's insane. He looks sculpted sometimes. No matter what he did with steroids or anything like that, no one else could do that sort of thing, with or without drugs It's always impressive seeing that sort of thing.Guy from the 80 said:
He's one of the most impressive people in the world to me. I wasn't even alive during his golden age, but the fact that he has done practically everything, and had just a huge cultural impact. I can hardly imagine what it was like. He's not my idol, I don't plan on being like him and I don't know much about what he's really like, but it's still very impressive.
EDIT: This might be a double post. My internet is acting up.
Well he's basically a meat head through and through though. I've only seen a bit of wrestling, and wasn't interested, but I noticed that brock lesnar was also really huge, so I looked him up to see if he was more then meets the eye. He's not. Apparently he was last to graduate, skipped a bunch of school and main drive is to hurt the guy infront of him. Arnie actually seems intelligent. Say what you want about politics, even the worst politicians are pretty smart.Michaluk said:
God, what's with the new captchas. These are a ***** to read.
Well if you're replying to really, really long posts and want to address maybe 1 line, it's a little hard to bring attention to the specific phrase.SaneAmongInsane said:
Nobody really cares about that style of action hero anymore, expect for people who were around for that time. We've seen hong kong style action now, and there's no going back.
Audiences expect either bone crushing, super athletic fight scenes (ie; Michael Jai White, Scott Adkins, The Entire Cast of The Raid) or they expect guys who can at least ACT well enough to be considered credible in their roles, or taken seriously (Liam Neeson, Daniel Craig).
Basically, guys like Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and Norris made their careers off of being exaggerated cartoon characters. Norris is just a few points removed from ACTUALLY being Eagleheart. Stallone's early work actually does show some effort on his part, such as the first Rocky or First Blood, wherein he at least TRIES to act. After he realized that he didn't need to try in order to draw an audience, he gave up completely.
If you go back and watch those movies, what do you get? The same one liners, the same static shots where they just stand there and fire from the hip, or maybe some sub par hand to hand combat where only one henchman attacks at a time. Chuck Norris only survives now as a walking punch line to a joke that stopped being funny 3 years ago, and Stallone continues to exist basically so that people can make fun of his Bell's Palsy. Arnold? 1 word, JUNIOR.
As per a reference to wrestling earlier, the audience preferences have also changed greatly since then, with the influx of Mexican and Japanese influence that came in the 90's.
Wrestling fans just don't care about big dudes anymore, as they've since realized that having traps the size of water melons and large biceps do not indicate (and often times negate) athletic performance/agility.
The cutting edge of wrestling doesn't look like the Arnold cup:
The changes are coming. Right now, some of the biggest rising stars in the WWE are guys like Bryan Danielson and CM Punk, NEITHER of whom you could argue look like body builders.
The world moved on, because it realized that it could do better.
Audiences expect either bone crushing, super athletic fight scenes (ie; Michael Jai White, Scott Adkins, The Entire Cast of The Raid) or they expect guys who can at least ACT well enough to be considered credible in their roles, or taken seriously (Liam Neeson, Daniel Craig).
Basically, guys like Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and Norris made their careers off of being exaggerated cartoon characters. Norris is just a few points removed from ACTUALLY being Eagleheart. Stallone's early work actually does show some effort on his part, such as the first Rocky or First Blood, wherein he at least TRIES to act. After he realized that he didn't need to try in order to draw an audience, he gave up completely.
If you go back and watch those movies, what do you get? The same one liners, the same static shots where they just stand there and fire from the hip, or maybe some sub par hand to hand combat where only one henchman attacks at a time. Chuck Norris only survives now as a walking punch line to a joke that stopped being funny 3 years ago, and Stallone continues to exist basically so that people can make fun of his Bell's Palsy. Arnold? 1 word, JUNIOR.
As per a reference to wrestling earlier, the audience preferences have also changed greatly since then, with the influx of Mexican and Japanese influence that came in the 90's.
Wrestling fans just don't care about big dudes anymore, as they've since realized that having traps the size of water melons and large biceps do not indicate (and often times negate) athletic performance/agility.
The cutting edge of wrestling doesn't look like the Arnold cup:
The changes are coming. Right now, some of the biggest rising stars in the WWE are guys like Bryan Danielson and CM Punk, NEITHER of whom you could argue look like body builders.
The world moved on, because it realized that it could do better.
As an amateur body builder myself, Arnold is one of my Idols. They're have been bigger but Arnie is the still the definitive body builder to this day, Ronnie who?
Hong Kong action is pretty crap because we all know Kung Foo doesn't work. On top of that, watching people flip out gets boring after a while. The early Jet Lee was god damn amazing, but today its just stagnated and boring.SadakoMoose said:
And watching the guy from Kindergarten Cop wax philosophical over a sub par Dragonlance fanfic is any better? There's a reason that these men's careers did not survive the 90's.Guy from the 80 said:
captcha: one hit wonder
I didn't say he couldn't act. I said that, unlike Schwarzenegger, he can actually act worth a damn.imahobbit4062 said:
I've watched parts of Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, but not enough to judge his performance in that film. Haven?t seen the other two.
Then chop it down to just that line, or bold the line that is the sticking point. Going line by line refuting claims as you go is lazy and disrespectful.GeneralTwinkle said:
manic_depressive13 said:
Coming from the guy that if he doesn't have any personal interest in the subject matter it's automatically written off as a silly and trivial pursuit.
Hey man, do you know about our Escapist wrestling group? Join us.SadakoMoose said:
It's not that the casual WWE fan doesn't like the big guys anymore, it's that with the way wrestling pyschology works big guys aren't allowed to wrestle the same exciting style as the smaller guys. When I was training I knew a guy that had a Mark Henry build, the guy would study Shawn Micheals and Bret Hart. He told me that he'd love to do some of the stuff the more svelte guys do, but he couldn't because the psychology of the big man essentially being the incredible hulk sort of handicapped what he was allowed to do.
Big Show, in his prime, could do a moonsault off the top rope and do a pretty wicked drop kick:
Plus it doesn't help that the business is plain getting an influx of smaller guys wanting to be wrestlers then heavyweights.
