Assassin's Creed 3: Again, Ubisoft?

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dakenbake

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Hmm, thinking about the Templars and what their goals are (lots of power and money, essentially) it would be interesting if the Revolution was stoked into full force (not completely orchestrated) by some well placed Templars; maybe some of Washington's mates or something. It'd make sense - weaken the established British power while simultaneously creating a new country with some Templars in very high positions indeed.

I know some Americans will probably hate me for the very suggestion that a fictional work could suggest their country was founded in part as part of a shadowy organisation's power play, but it could be pretty cool if done right, and Washington and co could still come out as cool guys, like Richard the Lionheart coming out OK at the end of AC1 even though half of his mates were blatant knobs.

They could also tie in some of that Illuminati nonsense with the pyramids and symbolism and all that crap scattered over D.C and the US currency - the Templars put it there! (wooooooh spooky ghost noise)
 

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Korten12 said:
Sparrow said:
omega 616 said:
As a Brit.

To be honest I couldn't give a shit if Connor was totally "AMURICA! FUCK YEA!" let me slay thousands of English .... I have slain millions of Russians and I have never read an article in which Russians complain about always being the baddies.

What Happened to the British stiff upper lip? We are starting to get like stereotypical America "WAAAAH! Somebody did something mean to me! I am sooo offended! I will sue!" just get over it.

I wouldn't even care ubi said "Connor will be totally neutral" then proceeded to be the biggest killer of British ever, while no so much as giving a dirty look to an American. Even if they made the British look like bloodthirsty, baby killers and Americans to be the right hand of god, who never did a wrong and instead of killing us, they led us to the righteous path ....

The accent the people I am killing has no effect on my enjoyment of me massacring them.
Thing is, when was the last time America was the baddies? It seems that we forget America has been a villian as often as it has been the good guy. You know, Vietnam, that whole thing in the Middle East, that thing with the atomic bombs... yet, nope. America are never the bad guys! Variety is the spice of life, folks.

[sup]Plus, from what I saw in that trailer, they gave the English guys reeeeally bad accents. I mean, christ they were bad.[/sup]
But this is the Rev war. This isn't America during Vietnam and the Middle East. Honestly you would have really stretch it to make America be evil and the Brits being good during this war. Imo it was basically as black and white as World War II was.
Yeah but (and I don't mean this in a malicious way) your American, your likely to be biased. I am British so I am also likely to be biased.

OT: My main problem with this is that they showed their July the fourth trailer in the UK in the cinema when I went to see Batman. It is just odd to see my ancestors being killed by proud Americans and expected that this is completely inoffensive. We have already spent this millennium being Americas *****. :-(
 

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TheDrunkNinja said:
Korten12 said:
Sparrow said:
Korten12 said:
But this is the Rev war. This isn't America during Vietnam and the Middle East. Honestly you would have really stretch it to make America be evil and the Brits being good during this war. Imo it was basically as black and white as World War II was.
"History is written by the victor" has never been more relevant. No war is black and white, the revolutionary war was certainly far from a simple battle of good vs evil. Both sides did things we'd sooner rather erase from history. Hell, WW2 certainty wasn't black and white. I mean, there was that whole thing with American nuking those civilians and the bombing of Dresden.
Aside from the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the bombing of Dresden. I was talking overall. Could you make an arguement that Hitler and the Nazi's weren't almost essentially cartoon bad guys. Now granted, doesn't mean all Nazi's were racists, but the overall conflict was black and white.

I don't consider specific actions make a conflict black and white. Hell, I would be angry if they didn't show Americans doing some bad shit in AC3, but the overall conflict they can't possibly make the British look like good guys and the Americans as evil.
I remember hearing that one of the reasons for the south to go to war, was because the British wanted make slavery illegal. But i can't remember where i heard it, so i may be talking out of my ass.
 

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Ziggy said:
TheDrunkNinja said:
Korten12 said:
Sparrow said:
Korten12 said:
But this is the Rev war. This isn't America during Vietnam and the Middle East. Honestly you would have really stretch it to make America be evil and the Brits being good during this war. Imo it was basically as black and white as World War II was.
"History is written by the victor" has never been more relevant. No war is black and white, the revolutionary war was certainly far from a simple battle of good vs evil. Both sides did things we'd sooner rather erase from history. Hell, WW2 certainty wasn't black and white. I mean, there was that whole thing with American nuking those civilians and the bombing of Dresden.
Aside from the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the bombing of Dresden. I was talking overall. Could you make an arguement that Hitler and the Nazi's weren't almost essentially cartoon bad guys. Now granted, doesn't mean all Nazi's were racists, but the overall conflict was black and white.

I don't consider specific actions make a conflict black and white. Hell, I would be angry if they didn't show Americans doing some bad shit in AC3, but the overall conflict they can't possibly make the British look like good guys and the Americans as evil.
I remember hearing that one of the reasons for the south to go to war, was because the British wanted make slavery illegal. But i can't remember where i heard it, so i may be talking out of my ass.
Sorry to say you crewed up the quote there, guy.
 

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Uh it's just a bloody "America Fuck Yeah" ego stroking exercise at the moment in the advertising at least hell the game could actually be very neutral(I highly doubt it though) but I doubt that I will play AC3 anyway I stopped after the second one when they introduced the fucking stupidest plot-twist ever.
 

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This game is being developed by French Canadians, not Americans so I'm sure they'll point out how much of a big help France was, and how we probably would've lost the war if they didn't provide us with resources. I don't know if that's any consultation. Also the Eastern Native American tribes actually refer to themselves as "Nations" (translated from their language of course) so I'm guessing that by "his nation" they mean his tribe.
 

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Korten12 said:
Sparrow said:
omega 616 said:
As a Brit.

To be honest I couldn't give a shit if Connor was totally "AMURICA! FUCK YEA!" let me slay thousands of English .... I have slain millions of Russians and I have never read an article in which Russians complain about always being the baddies.

What Happened to the British stiff upper lip? We are starting to get like stereotypical America "WAAAAH! Somebody did something mean to me! I am sooo offended! I will sue!" just get over it.

I wouldn't even care ubi said "Connor will be totally neutral" then proceeded to be the biggest killer of British ever, while no so much as giving a dirty look to an American. Even if they made the British look like bloodthirsty, baby killers and Americans to be the right hand of god, who never did a wrong and instead of killing us, they led us to the righteous path ....

The accent the people I am killing has no effect on my enjoyment of me massacring them.


Thing is, when was the last time America was the baddies? It seems that we forget America has been a villian as often as it has been the good guy. You know, Vietnam, that whole thing in the Middle East, that thing with the atomic bombs... yet, nope. America are never the bad guys! Variety is the spice of life, folks.

[sup]Plus, from what I saw in that trailer, they gave the English guys reeeeally bad accents. I mean, christ they were bad.[/sup]
But this is the Rev war. This isn't America during Vietnam and the Middle East. Honestly you would have really stretch it to make America be evil and the Brits being good during this war. Imo it was basically as black and white as World War II was.

Its hardly Black and White. I mean look at what the Americans did to the Natives. The British had actually established a border with the Native Americans and said they wouldn't go past that.

Oh and major reason for that was the fact that there was a major debt because of a seven year war between French and British colonists that was caused by George Washington who attacked a French fort, unprovoked, and killed ten French soldiers and their commander. The British then had to bring in around ten thousand of their own troops because the Colonists had proved they sucked at fighting on their own. This cost the British a 150 million pounds and that only served to add their growing debt. This debt was put almost entirely on the British taxpayer because it cost the British 6000 pounds to collect 2000 pound worth of tax from the American Colonies. So thee British wanted the Settlers to stop expanding to stop the cost of defending the borders, to stop killing Indians as the Natives were the primary source of fur and thus the major provider of money for the British, to stop smuggling and bribes which was cutting into the taxes the British needed and to establish a tax method that would allow the British to actually get money.

The Boston Tea party was also a ruse really. The British had actually undercut smugglers of tea in order to see money from the trade of tea and to deter smugglers. Smugglers weren't happy with this so they performed the Boston Tea party. Also many leaders of the Revolution were smugglers like John hanncock who had gotten rich off the seven year war by selling to the FRENCH colonists. These smugglers were mad at the British for trying to stop smuggling. Also lets not forget the tarring down to people who didn't support the smuggelars, the so called Loyalists, who were only made of about 44% of people from the British Isles, were tarred and feathered.

An don't forget that most of the leaders of the Revolution were also Slave owners. In 1771 slavery was offically abolished in Britian and they planned to enforce that throughout all British colonies. The leaders didn't like that so they decided to fight. You know that part in the American constitution that states that every man has the right to life, liberty and the pursuuit of happiness? The orginal quote came from John Locke who said "every man has the right to life,, liberty and estate." The pursuit of happiness part was used to replace estate because then the leaders of the Revoultion would have to admit that they shouldn't own slaves and that slaves should be allowed to own estate.

Oh and taxation without representation is also kind off bullshit. The Colonists had State Govoners whose jobs was to represent them in British parliament. They also had to only pay 1/26th the tax that regular British officials had to pay.

References: http://www.redcoat.me.uk/
http://vlib.iue.it/carrie/texts/carrie_books/simons/06.html
 

Zaik

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Sparrow said:
omega 616 said:
As a Brit.

To be honest I couldn't give a shit if Connor was totally "AMURICA! FUCK YEA!" let me slay thousands of English .... I have slain millions of Russians and I have never read an article in which Russians complain about always being the baddies.

What Happened to the British stiff upper lip? We are starting to get like stereotypical America "WAAAAH! Somebody did something mean to me! I am sooo offended! I will sue!" just get over it.

I wouldn't even care ubi said "Connor will be totally neutral" then proceeded to be the biggest killer of British ever, while no so much as giving a dirty look to an American. Even if they made the British look like bloodthirsty, baby killers and Americans to be the right hand of god, who never did a wrong and instead of killing us, they led us to the righteous path ....

The accent the people I am killing has no effect on my enjoyment of me massacring them.
Thing is, when was the last time America was the baddies? It seems that we forget America has been a villian as often as it has been the good guy. You know, Vietnam, that whole thing in the Middle East, that thing with the atomic bombs... yet, nope. America are never the bad guys! Variety is the spice of life, folks.

[sup]Plus, from what I saw in that trailer, they gave the English guys reeeeally bad accents. I mean, christ they were bad.[/sup]
Last I can specifically think of?

Spec Ops: he line actually put you against "rogue" US troops, if I read correctly.

Other than that, Prototype has you killing US Marines left and right for any or no real reason.
 

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Oi, another Assassin's Creed 3 is going to be all "America Fuck Yeah"? Come on people we've discussed this enough, it's getting to the point where we're beating a dead horse...with another dead horse.
 

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Sparrow said:
Thing is, when was the last time America was the baddies? It seems that we forget America has been a villian as often as it has been the good guy. You know, Vietnam, that whole thing in the Middle East, that thing with the atomic bombs... yet, nope. America are never the bad guys! Variety is the spice of life, folks.

[sup]Plus, from what I saw in that trailer, they gave the English guys reeeeally bad accents. I mean, christ they were bad.[/sup]
Spec Ops: the Line has americans as both the antagonists and the villains. Just throwing it out there.
 

Kiardras

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Everything I'm seeing from AC3, trailers and news etc is pointing towards a boring, unintelligent "America fuck yeah" game. Such a shame to see the series go this way, it was bad enough when they began milking the series.