Assassin's Creed 3: Again, Ubisoft?

[ReinWeisserRitter]

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anc[is]Ubisoft is letting a glorified fan fiction writer make them a couple bucks. That's it. Don't take it as canon for the entire series.

Ah, the whole "the part I like just isn't canon even though it's an officially licensed work" angle. Always the epitome of reason.

If you thought it was the greatest thing ever, you'd be screaming at the top of the damn rafters that it was canon as shit the second someone said otherwise.

I like how you sarcastically call me the epitome of reason while getting incredibly butthurt and aggressive yourself.

I've come across so many irrational whiners on my time on the internet it's not even worth getting worked up by you people anymore, frankly; I just swear a lot.

You've also got some sensitive toes if you thought that was aggression, and does "butthurt" even apply here? Your rebuttal doesn't make any sense at all, thinking on it.

 

[mirage202]

Fascinating thread with a plethora of different views.

Me though? I'm hating on AC3 for one reason, and it's nothing to do with the setting.

To get the complete game, you have to buy (may not be exactly accurate) something like 6 different versions, on 2 different platforms, from a minimum of 3 different retailers. Am I the only person here who considers that a much bigger issue than Connor being neutral or a flag waving rebel sympathiser?

 

[bigfatcarp93]

As an American, even I find this annoying, especially because it betrays the lore: Assassins don't fight for any nation or government, they just fight for the people. They should be as neutral in the American Revolution as they were in the Crusades.

 

[jackinmydaniels]

I honestly couldn't care less who's side he's on. So long as the game is fun.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Dead horse, club.

Seriously, decide right now if you're looking forward past the narrative flaws of an Assassin's Creed game, or if you can't handle the Brits being portrayed as the bad guys. You've seen enough gameplay to decide if it's worth it or not.

Just make the decision. You're not gonna here any different news.

So let me get this straight...

Connor, a Half-British, Half-Native Assassin, is dedicating his life to fighting on behalf of a people who want to steal a country from the British, and commit genocide against the Natives?

Well, seeing how there was no such thing as "White Americans" at this time, seeing how everyone was British, it's not that far fetched. There was no outcry from the Rebels to commit genocide against the Natives at this time. That had already more or less happened by the British and the Spanish in 300 years or so after it's discover, and the big American genocides that you're most likely thinking of wouldn't happen for another hundred years when we started to move west.

Which in all reality was mostly attributed to foreign diseases like small pox and measles.

So no. They aren't that bad of writers for all we know. They just made the unpopular choice of making the British empire (who owned a good chunk of the world by 'righteous' conquest) more or less the bad guys.

 

[kortin]

You know what, I was going to type a huge essay about my opinion on that, but I'll just let Totalbiscuit share my view [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvpNHzDuaKY&feature=player_detailpage#t=502s].

 

[Dreamfiller]

What I think will end up happening hill ally with the rebels because he believes for some reason they can help his people and after the war is won, they don't keep their promise.

-THAT- is when the slaughter of American's begins...I also think Washington is a templar. Just...calling it right now.

 

[Darkmantle]

I'll just wait for the game to actually come out before I judge the plot.

They shouldn't have to release a bunch of story spoilers, and I don't want them to. Especially if it's just to satisfy a bunch of people whining about who gets to have the positive light.

 

[Goofguy]

I doubt it's as black and white as many might believe it to be. I'm sure there will be some assholes to kill on the American side. Who's to say Connor isn't siding with them and getting in their good graces so he can get closer to some dastardly American Templars?

I wouldn't worry about this at the moment. All we can do is speculate, which leads us nowhere until we play the game. Personally, I am going to enjoy it for whatever it is. AC3 is being made by a French company studio that is based out of my city (Montreal), let's have some faith that this isn't all about killing Brits.

 

[The_Lost_King]

I'm not particularly averse to killing Englishmen myself, being a Scot. I do think this is Ubisofts chance to prove themselves. If they can pull this off by creating effective villains in the backdrop of a morally gray war and not affecting the morality of the war itself, I will have great respect for them.

A lot fewer people died in the bombings than would have died during an invasion.

I would agree it was the lesser of two evils in a utilitarian sense and I don't think the motivation behind it was in any way evil but they were sparing the lives of soldiers by sacrificing innocent civilians. I don't think you can say it had no moral implications.

More Japanese civilians would have died in an invasion than in the bombings. The Japanese would have fought down to the last man, woman, and child.. So they saved losses on both sides.

 

[The_Lost_King]

What I think will end up happening hill ally with the rebels because he believes for some reason they can help his people and after the war is won, they don't keep their promise.

-THAT- is when the slaughter of American's begins...I also think Washington is a templar. Just...calling it right now.

Why would he be a templar? He never wanted power. He only came to the meeting to make the constitution because people wouldn't have supported it other wise. He only ran for president because people begged him to. He just wanted a nice family life. At least that is what my history teachers tell me.

 

[Kopikatsu]

As a Brit.

To be honest I couldn't give a shit if Connor was totally "AMURICA! FUCK YEA!" let me slay thousands of English .... I have slain millions of Russians and I have never read an article in which Russians complain about always being the baddies.

What Happened to the British stiff upper lip? We are starting to get like stereotypical America "WAAAAH! Somebody did something mean to me! I am sooo offended! I will sue!" just get over it.

I wouldn't even care ubi said "Connor will be totally neutral" then proceeded to be the biggest killer of British ever, while no so much as giving a dirty look to an American. Even if they made the British look like bloodthirsty, baby killers and Americans to be the right hand of god, who never did a wrong and instead of killing us, they led us to the righteous path ....

The accent the people I am killing has no effect on my enjoyment of me massacring them.

Thing is, when was the last time America was the baddies? It seems that we forget America has been a villian as often as it has been the good guy. You know, Vietnam, that whole thing in the Middle East, that thing with the atomic bombs... yet, nope. America are never the bad guys! Variety is the spice of life, folks.

[sup]Plus, from what I saw in that trailer, they gave the English guys reeeeally bad accents. I mean, christ they were bad.[/sup]

But this is the Rev war. This isn't America during Vietnam and the Middle East. Honestly you would have really stretch it to make America be evil and the Brits being good during this war. Imo it was basically as black and white as World War II was.

Americans being gigantic assholes is what set off the revolutionary war.

They were being changed a TWENTIETH of the taxes that British citizens were, and most of the laws weren't strongly enforced because of the giant ocean between the two places. (There were British officials living in the colonies that saw that the King's will be done, but most weren't super hard-assy about it.)

I don't see how you could make America out to be the 'heroes' of the rev war.

 

[jackinmydaniels]

As a Brit.

To be honest I couldn't give a shit if Connor was totally "AMURICA! FUCK YEA!" let me slay thousands of English .... I have slain millions of Russians and I have never read an article in which Russians complain about always being the baddies.

What Happened to the British stiff upper lip? We are starting to get like stereotypical America "WAAAAH! Somebody did something mean to me! I am sooo offended! I will sue!" just get over it.

I wouldn't even care ubi said "Connor will be totally neutral" then proceeded to be the biggest killer of British ever, while no so much as giving a dirty look to an American. Even if they made the British look like bloodthirsty, baby killers and Americans to be the right hand of god, who never did a wrong and instead of killing us, they led us to the righteous path ....

The accent the people I am killing has no effect on my enjoyment of me massacring them.

Thing is, when was the last time America was the baddies? It seems that we forget America has been a villian as often as it has been the good guy. You know, Vietnam, that whole thing in the Middle East, that thing with the atomic bombs... yet, nope. America are never the bad guys! Variety is the spice of life, folks.

[sup]Plus, from what I saw in that trailer, they gave the English guys reeeeally bad accents. I mean, christ they were bad.[/sup]

But this is the Rev war. This isn't America during Vietnam and the Middle East. Honestly you would have really stretch it to make America be evil and the Brits being good during this war. Imo it was basically as black and white as World War II was.

Americans being gigantic assholes is what set off the revolutionary war.

They were being changed a TWENTIETH of the taxes that British citizens were, and most of the laws weren't strongly enforced because of the giant ocean between the two places. (There were British officials living in the colonies that saw that the King's will be done, but most weren't super hard-assy about it.)

I don't see how you could make America out to be the 'heroes' of the rev war.

It doesn't matter how much the colonists were charged, just because they weren't being charged as much as the actual citizens of the empire doesn't make taxing the life out of the people under you any less morally wrong. The only difference was that the Colonies decided to fight for that, yes they were the good guys, sure there were assholes on both sides but the same can be said for every war. That and I'm pretty positive that most of this 'MERUCA FUK YER!' trailers and the like probably have nothing to do with the actual theme of the game, it's just marketing bullshit.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

Okay. Here's how I will interpret your notion of "black and white": That history and the people of that time would have been worse off if one specific side won over the other. Which, yes, in that context and without any true idea of the full effects of changing history in such a way, I will concede to that notion, and I'm giving you a lot of leeway with that one. Just be careful with how you word that in the future, or people might take it pretty badly.

No, Black and White would be like this: I was home alone and some robber comes in and begins to assault me and I fight back. That is black and white.

The situation for the Rev war: The colonies were part of the British Empire and existed for many reasons, but they also eventually became simply there to benefit British with taxes and such. So the newly found Americans (who at the time were also essentially British) decided to rebel back so they could become an independant nation.

That is black and white situation, they had all the rights to rebel and fight for their freedom. Unless your going to tell me that it was horrible and the Americans are evil for wanting to be seperate from the British empire.

I didn't say that, and my interpretation still applies to your example anyway.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

Americans being gigantic assholes is what set off the revolutionary war.

They were being changed a TWENTIETH of the taxes that British citizens were, and most of the laws weren't strongly enforced because of the giant ocean between the two places. (There were British officials living in the colonies that saw that the King's will be done, but most weren't super hard-assy about it.)

I don't see how you could make America out to be the 'heroes' of the rev war.

Yes, yes, the British were a bunch of taxing "oppressor" assholes, and the Americans were a bunch of filthy "anarchist" assholes. Heard it all before, both extremes make me slap my forehead at the shear childishness of the notion that we've been reduced to the "they started it" argument.

 

[Wargamer]

So no. They aren't that bad of writers for all we know. They just made the unpopular choice of making the British empire (who owned a good chunk of the world by 'righteous' conquest) more or less the bad guys.

No no no, you've completely missed the point.

This is not about Britain being made to look like bad guys. I don't have a problem with a game that makes the British look evil (let's face it, Americans have done it for years; they're threatened by intelligence).

The problem is that the game paints the Americans as heroes. There's been absolutely nothing to suggest the Americans are in any way a 'grey morality' in the way everyone else in the Assassin's Creed universe was.

The rest of the world is sick and tired of America being painted as the greatest, most morally-flawless nation in the historyof mankind. We don't need AC3 joining in.

 

[spartandude]

But this is the Rev war. This isn't America during Vietnam and the Middle East. Honestly you would have really stretch it to make America be evil and the Brits being good during this war. Imo it was basically as black and white as World War II was.

"History is written by the victor" has never been more relevant. No war is black and white, the revolutionary war was certainly far from a simple battle of good vs evil. Both sides did things we'd sooner rather erase from history. Hell, WW2 certainty wasn't black and white. I mean, there was that whole thing with American nuking those civilians and the bombing of Dresden.

Yet another person who doesn't understand why the bombs were needed.

An early estimation for the amount of American soldiers that would have died during a mainland invasion of Japan: 250,000.

An early estimation for the amount of Japanese soldiers and civilians that would have died during a mainland invasion of Japan: Almost 1,000,000.

The soldiers were entirely devoted to General Tojo, Tojo proved he would rather die than lose, and the people have always (and will always) react with ultra violence to anyone that invades Japan. It saved them many times before, and it would have made Stalingrad look like a playground.

A lot fewer people died in the bombings than would have died during an invasion.

and yet another person who doesnt understand why the bombs were used, ok heres the thing Japan did actually offer a conditional surrender, America rejected it and then later accepted a surrender allowing US troops to be stationed in Japan, but the main reason however was not to make Japan submissive, it was to show the USSR that america has rather large boom machines

and heres one thing i ask you, if it were to make Japan surrender, surely bombing military bases rather than civillian centres would have had just as much impact

 

[JoesshittyOs]

This is not about Britain being made to look like bad guys. I don't have a problem with a game that makes the British look evil (let's face it, Americans have done it for years; they're threatened by intelligence).

Spoiler

Really? Do I need to point out the ironic stereotypical flaws throughout this post?

The problem is that the game paints the Americans as heroes. There's been absolutely nothing to suggest the Americans are in any way a 'grey morality' in the way everyone else in the Assassin's Creed universe was.

The rest of the world is sick and tired of America being painted as the greatest, most morally-flawless nation in the historyof mankind. We don't need AC3 joining in.

Let me stop you right there. The game is made by the French. The only real case of them painting Americans as the "heroes", was the revolution trailer they released on July 4th. Other than that, it's just showed our Assassin killing Brits, and being passive towards the Americans.

And I'll go ahead and throw this out there as an American. The majority of us are sick and tired of people claiming we think that we're "morally flawless". Wanna go check out that approval rating on that war we have right now? Hell, we all sure as shit loved that Vietnam, didn't we?

You're sickeningly stereotypical, along with the rest of the vocal people from across the pond who sit back on their high horses choosing to pick through the stories of what they see on the internet and television about what us Americans clearly all think, since we're apparently a fucking hivemind.

You're becoming much like the beast you claim to despise.

 

[Gizmo1990]

As a Brit.

To be honest I couldn't give a shit if Connor was totally "AMURICA! FUCK YEA!" let me slay thousands of English .... I have slain millions of Russians and I have never read an article in which Russians complain about always being the baddies.

What Happened to the British stiff upper lip? We are starting to get like stereotypical America "WAAAAH! Somebody did something mean to me! I am sooo offended! I will sue!" just get over it.

I wouldn't even care ubi said "Connor will be totally neutral" then proceeded to be the biggest killer of British ever, while no so much as giving a dirty look to an American. Even if they made the British look like bloodthirsty, baby killers and Americans to be the right hand of god, who never did a wrong and instead of killing us, they led us to the righteous path ....

The accent the people I am killing has no effect on my enjoyment of me massacring them.

As a Brit I have no problem killing other fake Brits. Unlike other countries (cough, America,cough) we Brits have never had a problem with our past. We went to other people countires, shot anyone who looked at us funny and made the rest our *****. The issue I have is that this game will make the Americans and the French look like saints and us as baby eating Skeletor's when in fact all 3 did many bad things.

 

[General Twinkletoes]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118582-Assassins-Creed-3-Novel-Tells-Connors-Origin

Now, as you can see in the link above, a novel is to be released, written by Oliver Bowden, which details the origin of Connor, the main protagonist of Assassin's Creed 3. While reading it, i couldn't help but notice a specific sentence:
"Set during the American Revolution," said the developers in a press release, "Connor has sworn to secure liberty for his people and his nation..."

So, it appears that despite Ubisoft's devs continually telling us the Connor is going to be at least somewhere neutral, killing on both sides, he is now apparently fighting on the side of the revolutionaries. This is despite being half-British, and half-Mohawk, who fought with the British.

Can Ubisoft ever make their minds up?

Also, apologies for mini-rant. I just want them to go one way or the other.

Anyway, post your thoughts below.

I think they said hes he's fighting fore the americans, but he's not happy about it. I don't think there was any doubt that he was on the revolutionaries side.

And anyway, doesn't stuff like this happen all the time in assassins creed where you have to fight against your own guys/seperate from them/side with an enemy?
I think the point is conner can't make up his mind.
They are certainly cutting it close, and they might royally fuck it up, but I think they're probably going to do it well.

"I just want them to go one way or the other. " I sorta don't, I want there to be a moral dilemma on his part. Would make the story much more interesting.