Assassin's Creed: Rogue Revealed in Leaked Trailer - Update 2

[Rebel_Raven]

Games made in Asia have Asian characters. Games made in Europe have white characters in most games and are therefore evil racist sexist pieces of trash.

If Ubisoft doesn't get a free pass I suppose Activision shouldn't either. So you aren't allowed to buy games from them-- well, I suppose with the exception of CoD: Ghosts, women are relegated to the multiplayer mode there. Hmm... and I'm pretty sure by your own standards you aren't allowed to buy anything from EA now either, hell, have they even made a game with as protagonists? Oh, and you are now officially barred from buying Nintendo games with the possible exclusion of their party games since Women are playable there. Granted, it's been forever since they last made a princess peach game.

And yes. It is too hard to scrap a game and rebuild it because some women hate men. It is indeed too hard to do that. Of course I suppose a lazy port can be done, kind of like Star Wars Jedi Academy. In that game you could play as women, but you would always be referred to in the masculine sense and you had the very masculine name of "Jaden". Tell me, would you particularly mind if you played as a woman named "Arno" that everyone keeps referring to as a male and the gender "She" has is no better than a shallow facade unrecognized and uncatered to ingame? Is playing a man that intolerable? Lets not even focus on the fact that the side-protagonist of Unity is a woman and she is treated as an equal to and even a rival of Arno.

I'm a white, Roman Catholic man. I love a game series where the main characters are predominantly Atheists, where you had to literally beat the shit out of the Pope, the head of my own religion and have played as a Native American and Mulatto man, as well as an African-American Woman. I have loved all of those games.

But playing as a man is too intolerable, and you're upset they didn't scrap Unity to give you a female protagonist. I'll repeat. You are literally asking them to scrap a game since the main character isn't a woman. Why aren't you asking Square Enix to do that for their latest Final Fantasy? Why aren't you asking CD Project: Red to toss the Witcher 3 into a pyre and genderbend Geralt? Why is it that the game that has let you play as a woman in the past need to be scrapped so you can play as a woman now?

A FPS's Multiplayer's farther than nonexistence. Considering the copycat nature of the gaming industry, it might actually help.

Asian games tend to have playable women without all the complaining that "it's too hard to include women!" too. They have white guys, they have black guys, they have white women, and asian women, and black women. Fighting games in particular don't have problems with diversity. Not sure when the last time I heard "It's too hard!" bar an entire gender, or nationality, or ethnicity from the playable roster.

Yeah, I'm basically not buying games from companies until they get their heads out their asses, but even Smash bros, and Mario Kart have women in them which is more than most racing games can claim. Oh, and they're on board with Hyrule Warriors. The most recent Mario game lets you play as Peach. Sure they haven't made a game where you exclusively play as a woman in a while, but right now, they're ahead of ubisoft coz they didn't decide it was too hard to have women, and cut them over... what, exactly? What was more important to the game than having women? How -low- of a priority are women?

Haven't you been reading? Women were in the cards from the start of production of AC Unity, and FC4, but they weren't by the end of it. I'm not asking them to remake a game, I'm asking them to stick to their original plans.
I'm not asking them to scrap a game, I'm voicing my displeasure at the way they conducted themselves. They can make the game, but I certainly don't feel like buying it... lack of inclusiveness, desire to be inclusive, and all.

Play as a woman that keeps getting called a man? Not the greatest option, but I did that in the Way of the Samurai series, to name one, where you can reskin the main character as NPCs. Didn't hurt that what little romance remained the same so I felt a bit more comfortable still romancing women for what passes as romance in that series.

I didn't mind Liberation being a lazy port from Ubisoft, but they apparently decided women weren't worth the effort after that.

Have you played AC: Unity, yet? How do you know how well she's treated? She got rescued in game footage. And she's -not- equal until you can play as her, IMO. NPCs are useless to me. The player character is the one that gets stuff done. A good NPC just makes me want to play as the NPC.

I've played as men before. Since the 80's. If a guy's interesting enough, and that's rare, I'll play as them. If the game's awesome enough, I can play as a guy.
I've played a lot of characters before. Just kinda sick of women being so rare, and BS like what Ubisoft's doing, and people supporting actions like that, that's keeping them from becoming common.
I've been playing as men too long to tolerate people taking away diversity.

Square Enix has a decent diversity in their games. FF14 gives character creation, and even lifted the gender locks on Mithra, and Galka.

I haven't bought a witcher game. Largely coz my Laptop can barely run Sims 2.

Again, I'm not asking people to scrap games. I'm saying if they want to include women, they damn well better, or never reveal they had plans to. If it's the latter option, I'll just quietly ignore the game. I wouldn't likely have been quite as pissed at Ubisoft if they'd never mentioned they intended to include women, but cut them.
If cuting women is so damn easy for them, cutting them from my videogaming is just as easy.

I like female characters. It helps in immersion, and escapism, and the aesthetic familiarity. It's a rare treat to play as them! Especially when they're the star!
Lemme ask you how often have you played as something that was so very much not who, and what you are?
Let me rephrase, and ask how often you HAVE TO pay as someone that removed from who you are?
How many times have you went out of your way to actively do this?
I mean, I look around, and see a ton of white guys, and religion rarely factors in to game stories. Gender usually does factor in to games since guys get romance, and love interests outside of Bioware games. Women generally don't.

I may have gripes with character creation games, in that it forces personalities to be similar regardless of which gender you are, but at least they usually have female options. Even -that- is ahead of where Ubisoft stands.

Edit: Why should I have to be happy about women being cut? Or ignore it? Or tolerate it? I don't follow why it is you're asking me to do one, or the other, or the other, here.

 

[Something Amyss]

If Ubisoft doesn't get a free pass I suppose Activision shouldn't either.

Forgive me the intrusion, but at what point have they cut women from development as would be the parallel here?

 

[RyQ_TMC]

The idea of playing as a Templar sounds dangerously close to being interesting so I'm expecting it will be a ruse and you are actually an Assassin pretending to be a Templar for some reason that is never really explained. But at least there is sailing right?

The subtitle "Rogue" makes me suspect that you'll be a Templar who rebelled against his organization and joined the Assassins.

Yeah, I'm not particularly optimistic about the series abandoning its "all the Designated Historical Good Guys were Assassins or their friends, all the Designated Historical Bad Guys were Templars" premise. Just don't ask how "Templars edited all the history books" fits into that one.

Ubisoft don't have the resources to animate female characters. You think they can afford to find Irish people?

Potatoes cost much less than shoes and beauty products. Just saying.

Ubisoft has a thing for the 18th Century. First AC III, then Liberation, then Black Flag, and Unity.

I think this is less about historical interest (although everyone expected they'd do French Revolution at some point) and more that they kinda painted themselves into a corner. With the exception of IV, they've stuck to a chronological plot, and once you're into 19th century, swordfighting gameplay can't fit into the Theme Park History they're going for, as guns get better. So, if they want to avoid redesigning combat mechanics - which it seems they do - they can't go beyond, say, the Napoleonic Wars.
On the other end, even assuming they're open to a possibility of going back into earlier historical periods, there are other problems around that. The very well-received sailing gameplay can't be integrated well before around the end of 16th century. Earlier time periods could also limit weapons available. Granted, the weapons wheel already is heavily overburdened, but I think it's unlikely they'd trim it down.

I fully and unconditionally believe that the original low-quality trailer was an uncontrolled leak. I mean, it's not like gaming news sites would be posting it as "hot news", thus guaranteeing day-long coverage (starting with the leak and updating with further details) for the game's reveal. Ubisoft had absolutely no interest in a controlled leak, and it probably cost them all the money from their female protag fund.

 

[sXeth]

Well I despised 3, liked Black Flag, and liked Freedom Cry for the 30 minutes you can play it on ps4 before it becomes a freezeup mess that Ubi is apparently ignoring fixing completely.

Oh right, that last one kind of guarantees I won't be throwing them cash anytime soon, nevermind two games in one year.

The dude in the trailers Irish accent is better than Kenways "Welsh" accent,

You realize Kenway's voice actor (Matt Ryan, now of Constantine fame(?)) is from Swansea, right?

 

[elvor0]

The dude in the trailers Irish accent is better than Kenways "Welsh" accent,

You realize Kenway's voice actor (Matt Ryan, now of Constantine fame(?)) is from Swansea, right?

Yup, totally up for playing a Templar. The Assassins creed universe is one I really enjoy. The dude in the trailers Irish accent is better than Kenways "Welsh" accent, but I do feel like he's gonna try and sell me a dag. My Mother should be pleased, she was a bit miffed that she wasn't gonna get to play any more AC till 2017, when the XBONE comes in cereal packets.

Most importantly though, do I get to kill French men? It /is/ set during The Seven Years War.

Well... the VA of Edward Kenway is apparently actually a welshman. Originally they wanted him to do a more "suave english accent" but they ended up liking the more "rough" welsh Tone that they changed him to, well, a Welshman. Born in Swansea and everything.

That's surprising, didn't know that, because his accent seemed all over the place, I can only assume that he's either been out of Wales for quite some time, certain bits were recorded when they were still deciding on the accent or he was trying to put on a pirate twang, which made it sound even more all over the place. He clearly has their take on a "suave english accent" at some points, but he also says stuff about being a true Welshman and killing the English.

There's definitely bits where his accent is one he's put on, rather than what I assume is his normal accent. He certainly doesn't sound like any Welsh person I've ever met, and I spent a massive amount of my childhood and teens camping all over Wales.

I should hope so, Kenways beard that grew out when he was at sea looked like he had straw nailed to his face. ><

What? SPOILERS, dude!

<.<

No, but that's pretty bad. On the other hand, that's what I expect from hair in games.

Heh heh

Yeah beards just seem to be something that only really look okay in a cartoony setting, using the same methods as regular hair look odd, sculpted hair and beards look have the Nathan Drake effect and using fibre beards have the nailed straw effect, especially when the hair is traditional and the beard is fibres.

I did like the fact that his beard grew out when you were sailing around at sea for extended periods, then he had it shaved when you turned the game off in towns, it was a nifty little touch, but it did look naff.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

That's actually an interesting twist on the setup however it seems like that there won't be a PC version. Oh well? moving on.

Or a Wii U version. I don't blame Nintendo for pushing away third parties if this is the way their supposed closest ally treats them.

 

[L. Declis]

...

I like it and I am happy it is coming out.

We've had a Turkish Muslim, an Italian, a Brit (for a bit of a game), a Welshman, a Native American, a woman and now a Frenchman and an Irishman?

Sounds to me like we've got plenty of diversity, and you know that post-this that Ass-Creed V will likely be about a woman Assassin. Awesome.

And 2 Ass Creed games, that's great. So one of them is a co-op French Revolution where you use the crowds to fight the enemy as well as potentially fighting ALONGSIDE the Tempalrs, and the other one is a rogue Assassin hunting down his former colleagues who will be stealthy as well?

I think all these ideas sound cool and interesting, and they are getting more brave with their games. I am pleased by this and I am starting to roll my eyes whenever I see this forum just get down on Ubisoft, who has also put out Watchdogs and Child of Light and I thought they were great.

And Far Cry 4 will let me play an Asian bloke as well? And the next Tomb Raider is coming out, with our favourite lesbian ass-kicker? Fucking great.

You guys can shit on Ubisoft all you want, and yes, uPlay sucks, but I think their games are awesome and I love the Ass Creed series which, as far as I am concerned, has had only a single bad entry (Ass Creed 3, although the bit with the British Templar was awesome).

 

[DarkhoIlow]

I dunno why this version isn't on PC as well..baffles me a bit.

PC doesn't have a "generation" so why lump us with the current gen? Baffles me really.

 

[Loreley]

Oh, seriously? That's the game that they don't have one PC? That's disappointing, I'd be totally up for playing a Templar, even now that they've pretty much made them into Saturday morning cartoon villains. I thought the majority of assassins in AC4 were some of the most annoying NPCs I've ever experienced. Bunch of directionless, incompetent hypocrites, no wonder the Templar order has been kicking their butts up and down world history since Ezio died and the Assassin Order never seems to do anything but scrambling for damage control.

On a less bitter note, maybe I just got unlucky, but AC4 and Freedom's Cry have both been horribly buggy for me. I'm not so sure this 2 games a year is really doing Ubisoft any favours. I've already switched to buying them when the price dropped and the first patches have been released instead of on release, like I used to.

 

[Something Amyss]

Heh heh

Yeah beards just seem to be something that only really look okay in a cartoony setting, using the same methods as regular hair look odd, sculpted hair and beards look have the Nathan Drake effect and using fibre beards have the nailed straw effect, especially when the hair is traditional and the beard is fibres.

I did like the fact that his beard grew out when you were sailing around at sea for extended periods, then he had it shaved when you turned the game off in towns, it was a nifty little touch, but it did look naff.

Hair in general seems to be a problem unless it's like, painted on as part of the texture. It is rather cool that they did something like that, mind, but hair seems to be quite a problem for CG animation. Hell, I'm sort of amused because, with TressFX, we have a hair physics engine before we really have decent hair to work with.

 

[Something Amyss]

I dunno why this version isn't on PC as well..baffles me a bit.

PC doesn't have a "generation" so why lump us with the current gen? Baffles me really.

They don't care about PC in the first place?

Okay, what's with people crediting Ubisoft with Tomb Raider? It's made by Crystal Dynamics and published by Square Enix; Ubisoft has absolutely nothing to do with Lara Croft.

They're that desperate to justify diversity claims.

 

[elvor0]

Heh heh

Yeah beards just seem to be something that only really look okay in a cartoony setting, using the same methods as regular hair look odd, sculpted hair and beards look have the Nathan Drake effect and using fibre beards have the nailed straw effect, especially when the hair is traditional and the beard is fibres.

I did like the fact that his beard grew out when you were sailing around at sea for extended periods, then he had it shaved when you turned the game off in towns, it was a nifty little touch, but it did look naff.

Hair in general seems to be a problem unless it's like, painted on as part of the texture. It is rather cool that they did something like that, mind, but hair seems to be quite a problem for CG animation. Hell, I'm sort of amused because, with TressFX, we have a hair physics engine before we really have decent hair to work with.

I much prefer the painted texture effect over anything else at the moment, as it looks good enough and allows the impression of individual fibres with alpha maps and whatnot. Providing you have a good art team, it works, because noone really expects individual strands or anything like that, I mean we're still having to use normal maps, hair can wait.

As far as I'm concerned you should ONLY use sculpted hair on statues or cartoony games(Pre rendered cinematics non withstanding).

Like you said, TressFX is way beyond what we actually have to work with, taking a nose dive into the uncanny valley. I mean Laras hair looked fucking awful with TressFX turned on, it seemed to exist in its own physics vacuum, spazzing out and doing all kinds of things independant of the rest of the world.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Because one AssCreed a year is never enough! Who needs fresh idea when one can just regurgitate old ones?

 

[Something Amyss]

I much prefer the painted texture effect over anything else at the moment, as it looks good enough and allows the impression of individual fibres with alpha maps and whatnot. Providing you have a good art team, it works, because noone really expects individual strands or anything like that, I mean we're still having to use normal maps, hair can wait.

As far as I'm concerned you should ONLY use sculpted hair on statues or cartoony games(Pre rendered cinematics non withstanding).

Like you said, TressFX is way beyond what we actually have to work with, taking a nose dive into the uncanny valley. I mean Laras hair looked fucking awful with TressFX turned on, it seemed to exist in its own physics vacuum, spazzing out and doing all kinds of things independant of the rest of the world.

Likewise, I'd rather have it look good than be cutting edge. Especially if the edge crashes computers and looks awful. If they can actually get hair looking good, I'd like the option of flowing hair and realistic long beards. But until then, I prefer the simpler version that looks okay.