astral projection.

[Generalissimo]

i can provide a step by step of how to AP,

it is NOT a lucid dream.
it is NOT self hypnosis.
it is NOT a lie.

Fantastic! What are the steps?

lie down in a bed, or sit in a chair, but you must be comfortable, start repeating a word or sound constantly in your head, until you no longer need effort to keep repeating that thought. (this can be a bit tricky) you will after a short while feel a slight sinking feeling, and then your body going stiff and unmoveable, do not resist this. once paralysis is complete, ensure the thought or sound is still looping. you should start to feel a tingling sensation, when it gets to the point of being spread throught your body. it's time to leave. know (don't visualise, just know that it is there) there is a rope hanging above you, with your mind, grasp the rope and pull your self hand over hand out of your body. get up and open your eyes, if you have done it right, you can look at your unconcius whilst being in astral form. to re-enter your body, simply go into contact with it, and you will wake up in physical form.

Can anyone do this? Alright, im biting, ill give this a try. Does the word or sound matter? Id pick project i guess, to focus? Can i go anywhere from floating around? Could i win this prize with this? Can i definitively prove i can see things? For example with my eyes closed and blindfolded, could i read something written on a note on my body? How long can i project for? Does time pass? How long do i need to do this for?

I WILL try this. Honestly. Does it take practice or can i do this first go?

to answer your questions:
1. it doesn't matter, but preferably simple.
2. you can't go too far, otherwise the link to your body will be severed, making it an open target for other spirits to hijack.
3. you can (to a limited extent) manipulate physical objects.
4. your astral form is unbound by your physical form, so a blindfold shouldn't hinder your astral self.
5. you reading skill is unchanged
6. only at night, when you see the sun coming up, get back to your body double time.
7. time does pass.
8. not everyone gets it first time, so be patient with it.

Out of curiosity, what happens if your out of your body during the daytime?

you die.
sounds harsh, but it has been known to happen.

 

[Maze1125]

i can provide a step by step of how to AP,

it is NOT a lucid dream.
it is NOT self hypnosis.
it is NOT a lie.

Fantastic! What are the steps?

lie down in a bed, or sit in a chair, but you must be comfortable, start repeating a word or sound constantly in your head, until you no longer need effort to keep repeating that thought. (this can be a bit tricky) you will after a short while feel a slight sinking feeling, and then your body going stiff and unmoveable, do not resist this. once paralysis is complete, ensure the thought or sound is still looping. you should start to feel a tingling sensation, when it gets to the point of being spread throught your body. it's time to leave. know (don't visualise, just know that it is there) there is a rope hanging above you, with your mind, grasp the rope and pull your self hand over hand out of your body. get up and open your eyes, if you have done it right, you can look at your unconcius whilst being in astral form. to re-enter your body, simply go into contact with it, and you will wake up in physical form.

I hate to be the eternal sceptic, but that sounds suspiciously like a Wake Induced Lucid Dream [http://lucid.wikia.com/wiki/Wake_Initiated_Lucid_Dream].

the two work on similar logic, i know it's weird, i think it's weird. but that's how it is i'm afraid.

Okay, so take the challenge posted earlier in the thread. Prove you're doing one you say you are and not the other.
There's a $1,000,000 in it for you. Why on Earth wouldn't you do it?

 

[Daverson]

Presumably, the only way to be certain would be to visit somewhere you've never been before in real life, while astral projecting.

That's like saying the only way to prove you can juggle is by doing it with chainsaws.

Here's on possible test:

First, the person who wishes to astral project puts a blindfold on. THis is to remove the chance of them simply cheating (though if the person claims to be able to project into other rooms, the helper could set up everything in another room). The helper then overturns a few cards. When the person projecting 'wakes up' they list what cards they think were shown.

By making a record of hits and misses, the accuracy of the guesses could be compared to random chance. If the person doesn't guess any better than random chance, it means they aren't actually projecting. IF the guesses are better than chance, it means there may indeed be something going on. Then better tests can be devised to try and rule out other possible factors that could lead to false-positives.

I guess. It was just an example off the top of my head, tbh.

It wouldn't need a helper though, which could cause problems, for example, a sceptic of astral projection, but a believer in psionics, could simply say that he wasn't really astrally projecting into the room, just unconsciously reading the mind of the helper and letting that influence his lucid dream. Of course you could say that of wandering around somewhere you've never been in an astral projection (obviously there are people who know what the sewers are like!), you'd really need to have a good think to come up with a reliable experiment to prove or disprove this sort of thing... I'll admit I don't know much about what astral projection may or may not be, so I won't comment on what this experiment might entail.

 

[martyrdrebel27]

Presumably, the only way to be certain would be to visit somewhere you've never been before in real life, while astral projecting.

That's like saying the only way to prove you can juggle is by doing it with chainsaws.

Here's on possible test:

First, the person who wishes to astral project puts a blindfold on. THis is to remove the chance of them simply cheating (though if the person claims to be able to project into other rooms, the helper could set up everything in another room). The helper then overturns a few cards. When the person projecting 'wakes up' they list what cards they think were shown.

By making a record of hits and misses, the accuracy of the guesses could be compared to random chance. If the person doesn't guess any better than random chance, it means they aren't actually projecting. IF the guesses are better than chance, it means there may indeed be something going on. Then better tests can be devised to try and rule out other possible factors that could lead to false-positives.

I guess. It was just an example off the top of my head, tbh.

It wouldn't need a helper though, which could cause problems, for example, a sceptic of astral projection, but a believer in psionics, could simply say that he wasn't really astrally projecting into the room, just unconsciously reading the mind of the helper and letting that influence his lucid dream. Of course you could say that of wandering around somewhere you've never been in an astral projection (obviously there are people who know what the sewers are like!), you'd really need to have a good think to come up with a reliable experiment to prove or disprove this sort of thing... I'll admit I don't know much about what astral projection may or may not be, so I won't comment on what this experiment might entail.

i thought of a test that completely removes the human element. in the next room, have a computer set up. right click the spider solitaire shortcut and hover your mouse over the Open option. then, set up one of those water drinking bird things over the mouse. eventually, the bird will click the mouse, opening up a screen of spider solitaire that nobody has seen yet. the projector then AP's into the room and remembers the cards in order. then after they return and "wake up" the observer and the AP'er both look at the screen, and see how it compares.

 

[Daverson]

Presumably, the only way to be certain would be to visit somewhere you've never been before in real life, while astral projecting.

That's like saying the only way to prove you can juggle is by doing it with chainsaws.

Here's on possible test:

First, the person who wishes to astral project puts a blindfold on. THis is to remove the chance of them simply cheating (though if the person claims to be able to project into other rooms, the helper could set up everything in another room). The helper then overturns a few cards. When the person projecting 'wakes up' they list what cards they think were shown.

By making a record of hits and misses, the accuracy of the guesses could be compared to random chance. If the person doesn't guess any better than random chance, it means they aren't actually projecting. IF the guesses are better than chance, it means there may indeed be something going on. Then better tests can be devised to try and rule out other possible factors that could lead to false-positives.

I guess. It was just an example off the top of my head, tbh.

It wouldn't need a helper though, which could cause problems, for example, a sceptic of astral projection, but a believer in psionics, could simply say that he wasn't really astrally projecting into the room, just unconsciously reading the mind of the helper and letting that influence his lucid dream. Of course you could say that of wandering around somewhere you've never been in an astral projection (obviously there are people who know what the sewers are like!), you'd really need to have a good think to come up with a reliable experiment to prove or disprove this sort of thing... I'll admit I don't know much about what astral projection may or may not be, so I won't comment on what this experiment might entail.

i thought of a test that completely removes the human element. in the next room, have a computer set up. right click the spider solitaire shortcut and hover your mouse over the Open option. then, set up one of those water drinking bird things over the mouse. eventually, the bird will click the mouse, opening up a screen of spider solitaire that nobody has seen yet. the projector then AP's into the room and remembers the cards in order. then after they return and "wake up" the observer and the AP'er both look at the screen, and see how it compares.

What if they're a technopath, though?

Maybe combine several experiments? It wouldn't remove the possibility of another effect, but it would minimize it.

 

[Da Orky Man]

Sorry I'm late coming to this discussion:


Everyone watch this. It explains what I think perfectly.

 

[BrassButtons]

It wouldn't need a helper though, which could cause problems, for example, a sceptic of astral projection, but a believer in psionics could simply say that he wasn't really astrally projecting into the room, just unconsciously reading the mind of the helper and letting that influence his lucid dream.

At that point the test will have shown that there is something to investigate. If the helper claims psionics, another test can be devised to see if psionics are real. If they are, more testing is needed to tell if the first test was psionics or astral projection.

But step one is to see if there's even something to investigate.

 

[martyrdrebel27]

double posts are the works of brain slugs.

 

[martyrdrebel27]

Presumably, the only way to be certain would be to visit somewhere you've never been before in real life, while astral projecting.

That's like saying the only way to prove you can juggle is by doing it with chainsaws.

Here's on possible test:

First, the person who wishes to astral project puts a blindfold on. THis is to remove the chance of them simply cheating (though if the person claims to be able to project into other rooms, the helper could set up everything in another room). The helper then overturns a few cards. When the person projecting 'wakes up' they list what cards they think were shown.

By making a record of hits and misses, the accuracy of the guesses could be compared to random chance. If the person doesn't guess any better than random chance, it means they aren't actually projecting. IF the guesses are better than chance, it means there may indeed be something going on. Then better tests can be devised to try and rule out other possible factors that could lead to false-positives.

I guess. It was just an example off the top of my head, tbh.

It wouldn't need a helper though, which could cause problems, for example, a sceptic of astral projection, but a believer in psionics, could simply say that he wasn't really astrally projecting into the room, just unconsciously reading the mind of the helper and letting that influence his lucid dream. Of course you could say that of wandering around somewhere you've never been in an astral projection (obviously there are people who know what the sewers are like!), you'd really need to have a good think to come up with a reliable experiment to prove or disprove this sort of thing... I'll admit I don't know much about what astral projection may or may not be, so I won't comment on what this experiment might entail.

i thought of a test that completely removes the human element. in the next room, have a computer set up. right click the spider solitaire shortcut and hover your mouse over the Open option. then, set up one of those water drinking bird things over the mouse. eventually, the bird will click the mouse, opening up a screen of spider solitaire that nobody has seen yet. the projector then AP's into the room and remembers the cards in order. then after they return and "wake up" the observer and the AP'er both look at the screen, and see how it compares.

What if they're a technopath, though?

Maybe combine several experiments? It wouldn't remove the possibility of another effect, but it would minimize it.

okay, i got it. send a blind person into room and have them do the 52 pickup things, and just spray cards everywhere. kill the blind person. the ap'er then goes into the room and looks at the cards, remembering which ones landed face up. then, they return, and the reviewer and the AP'er go in together to see how accurate he was.

 

[Daverson]

It wouldn't need a helper though, which could cause problems, for example, a sceptic of astral projection, but a believer in psionics could simply say that he wasn't really astrally projecting into the room, just unconsciously reading the mind of the helper and letting that influence his lucid dream.

At that point the test will have shown that there is something to investigate. If the helper claims psionics, another test can be devised to see if psionics are real. If they are, more testing is needed to tell if the first test was psionics or astral projection.

But step one is to see if there's even something to investigate.

I'd agree with you, but the point of the experiment would be to prove or disprove astral projection. We're not just throwing science at the wall and seeing what sticks!

(Hey, you joined the same day as me! We're like twins or something! =D )

okay, i got it. send a blind person into room and have them do the 52 pickup things, and just spray cards everywhere. kill the blind person. the ap'er then goes into the room and looks at the cards, remembering which ones landed face up. then, they return, and the reviewer and the AP'er go in together to see how accurate he was.

Pointless murder, I like it! Though... if we're going to kill them anyway, why bother with a blind person? (We can rule out necromancy, right?) Not that I'd give blind people positive discrimination by simply not killing them, but we do have less of them than sighted people, and there are experiments that need blind people to work properly.

Of course, that said, we can simply manufacture blind people using ocular scalpel implantation techniques, so maybe this is an unfounded concern.

 

[Beryl77]

People claiming to be able to do something without any kind of scientific prove? Of course I'm going to believe that, hey why not just believe anything that people claim to be able to do, see, etc,?

I'm sorry about the sarcasm but writing what I actually want to say is considered rude by most people and could get me banned here.
Also, using my psychic powers, I can totally see you and what you're wearing looks really bad on you. You should wear something else.

 

[the Dept of Science]

If you take away the spiritual language and just research "out of body experiences" you will find that they are a not-uncommmon and fairly well documented psychological phenomenon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience

 

[Grospoliner]

Tried it once, then I almost got my silver cord cut by Githyanki. Those guys are jerks.

Be grateful you didn't meet The Lady.

 

[BrassButtons]

I'd agree with you, but the point of the experiment would be to prove or disprove astral projection. We're not just throwing science at the wall and seeing what sticks!

I don't understand your objection. Throwing science at the wall and seeing what sticks is exactly how you go about proving or disproving things.

 

[bowandsword]

No but I command control over dairy products with my mind

Great scott! You wouldn't happen to be any relation to this guy?


On Topic, to the OP, this isn't really the forum to admit to having New Age or Mystic beliefs, you are about to get insulted into Narnia, although hilariously enough, vitually everyone on this forum believes at least partially that they do have some form of mild psychic ability to predict stuff
(there was a thread about supernatural abilities you may possess earlier this year, and it went on for several pages, virtually every person's post was along the lines of "I don't believe in psychics, but I have an uncanny ability to predict the time/the weather/where my cat is")

I shall give a psychic cookie to however can find me that thread.

Why yes he's my worthless half-brother. We don't get along after we got into a fight and I stopped his flurry of bourbon biscuits with a well timed attack of hot milk and mini Babybells

well well lactokinesis guy i have found u thats got to be the #### supper power ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DntPVjcLXDE

 

[Jadak]

If you take away the spiritual language and just research "out of body experiences" you will find that they are a not-uncommmon and fairly well documented psychological phenomenon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience

That's not really the point. Few people doubt that others have had "out of body experiences", the discussion is about whether it is just "psychological phenomenon", a trick of the mind, or a legitimate extension of any sense of perception beyond your physical body.

 

[William Ossiss]

The general masses, also known as sheep, are blind. When you plop something supernatural right down in front of them, they explain it away so that their precious sense of "normal" isn't disturbed. Do I think that astral projection is real? My business. Do I think that original poster should shut his gob and just stop right now? Yes.

You can't do that kind of things for yourself. You jade everything it stands for when you do.

 

[dedem1315]

Isn?t this enough?
Just this world?
Just this beautiful, complex
Wonderfully unfathomable world?
How does it so fail to hold our attention
That we have to diminish it with the invention
Of cheap, man-made Myths and Monsters?
Does the idea that there might be truth
Frighten you?
Does the idea that one afternoon
On Wiki-fucking-pedia might enlighten you
Frighten you?
Science is never frightened because it doesnt know
Sometimes the answer is deeper than current evidence can show
Science and proof can accept that it needs to wait
It doesnt need to say "Ghosts did it, problem solved, it all turned out GREAT!"
Simply because it cannot be explained doesnt mean you can fill in the gaps
With whatever whimsical fancy said busters can catch in their traps.

Parts of this poem may belong to tim minchin. The man is a genius. I apologise.

Tim Minchin is a God. And an Australian

On topic, this whole psychic powers stuff seems like absolute nonsense to me. Plus, most of the mind readers on TV are just people good at cold reading, who have learnt to exploit mourners for cash. That whole thing my have been inspired by Charlie Brooker.

 

[Kataskopo]

Yeah, I have to live with a New Age thinker on a daily basis. She thinks those ball shaped artifacts when you take a photograph (orbs) are like spirits or whatever.
A phenomena most photographers are quite accustomed for which there is a complete explanation and which can be repeated in a controlled environment.

And that's just one of the milder things she believes.

And that person is my mom.

 

[Arphaxon]

See, I like to think that Astral Projection and other psychic phenomena are disproved by history alone. If it were real and true, and as easy as the OP is suggesting -even if only then to SOME people, then it would've seen immense practical usage in the past in leiu of technology.

WHY develop communications technology if psychic communication was an innate thing? Why learn the art of stealth and spying if people could actually silently and invisibly step out of their bodies and travel long distances, or 'scry' the location of an object or person? Humanity has shown that it uses what it can first, and only invents a more complex solution if it's the only solution. If so many of these "ancient secrets" were so useful, why the hell would we forget them?