Australia Bans CrimeCraft for Drug Use

[TechNoFear]

I am trying to keep you on topic but you keep drifting off...

This is not about libel, which is a reasonable limit to freedom of expression everywhere (and because 'truth' is a protection against libel / slander in the UK courts).

You made erroneous claims about the right to freedom of expression in the Commonwealth.

I pointed out these errors, providing data to support my assertion;

There is a right to free speech in the Commonwealth, provided by the UHDR and protected by legal precedent.

Also, how the hell did the plaintiff "win" the Mclibel case if they had to pay Sixty Thousand Pounds(!) and not to mention all the legal fees as they were refused legal aid?

http://www.mcspotlight.org/case/

Did you read your own link? (if you did you would know that they never paid a pence)

That was the outcome of the first trial. On appeal to the EU courts;

The court ruled in favour of Helen and Dave: the case had breached their their rights to freedom of expression and a fair trial.

If Freedom of speech is a legal right in the Commonwealth show me a test case that proves it.

OK. How about these four from Australia to start?

Australian Capital Television Pty Ltd v Commonwealth 1993
Nationwide News Pty Ltd v Wills 1993
Theophanous v The Herald and Weekly Times Limited 1994
Stephens and Others v West Australian Newspapers Limited 1994

Note that these cases are prior to the signing the UDHR in 1998 (which further enforced the right to freedom of expression).

Let me know if you need more case studies.

Hey funny thing, anyone know how Australia all started?

?Transportation? was developed as a punishment in the UK in 1717. (not to be confused with the US?s current practice of ?renditions?)

If you stole more than 5 shillings, killed an animal or cut down a tree the penalty was death, lesser crimes resulted in transportation to America and later Australia.

Convicts were sent to America until 1776 (guess why they stopped?).

In 1787 Transportations began to Australia and continued until 1868.

~165,000 convicts were transported in total to Australia, compared to the ~60,000 sent to America.

Australia's population exploded in the gold rush of 1871, rising from 0.45 to 1.7 million.

At this time America had over 4 million slaves.

Consider American's heritige (of criminals and slaves) before making flipant remarks about other countries.

 

[Treblaine]

I am trying to keep you on topic but you keep drifting off...

This is not about libel, which is a reasonable limit to freedom of expression everywhere (and because 'truth' is a protection against libel / slander in the UK courts).

You made erroneous claims about the right to freedom of expression in the Commonwealth.

I pointed out these errors, providing data to support my assertion;

There is a right to free speech in the Commonwealth, provided by the UHDR and protected by legal precedent.

Also, how the hell did the plaintiff "win" the Mclibel case if they had to pay Sixty Thousand Pounds(!) and not to mention all the legal fees as they were refused legal aid?

http://www.mcspotlight.org/case/

Did you read your own link? (if you did you would know that they never paid a pence)

That was the outcome of the first trial. On appeal to the EU courts;

The court ruled in favour of Helen and Dave: the case had breached their their rights to freedom of expression and a fair trial.

If Freedom of speech is a legal right in the Commonwealth show me a test case that proves it.

OK. How about these four from Australia to start?

Australian Capital Television Pty Ltd v Commonwealth 1993
Nationwide News Pty Ltd v Wills 1993
Theophanous v The Herald and Weekly Times Limited 1994
Stephens and Others v West Australian Newspapers Limited 1994

Note that these cases are prior to the signing the UDHR in 1998 (which further enforced the right to freedom of expression).

Let me know if you need more case studies.

But none of those in the UK.

The fact remains that to spite the EU court ruling not a single line of Libel law has been changed or repealed. I am looking at things as they are here so DON'T tell me I should be happy with how my government tramples over our freedoms and how we have to go begging to an EU court for real justice!

Funny, as I was searching I found this:

http://libertus.net/censor/fspeechlaw.html

ohhhh... awkward.

The bottom line is neither Australia nor Britain have an absolute right to Freedom of Speech/Expression or else games like Manhunt 2, Crimecraft or Left 4 Dead 2 would never have been banned.

 

[internetzealot1]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they just throw darts at a board with pictures of games taped to it to decide which games to arbitrarily ban.

 

[TechNoFear]

But none of those in the UK.

You asked for ones in the Commonwealth, not UK.

The UK is easy (and McLibel ia an example from the UK).

In the UK you passed into law the Human Rights Act of 1998, which adds parts of the European Convention on Human Rights to UK law.
[Article 10 of the EDHR specifically adds the right to free speech to UK law.]

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/ukpga_19980042_en_1

Freedom of Speech is therefore clearly enforceable under UK law.

Funny, as I was searching I found this:

http://libertus.net/censor/fspeechlaw.html

ohhhh... awkward.

You need to read more than the first line of these links you supply.

That site says that there is no line in the Australian Constitution specifically granting the right to freedom of expression.

The page goes on to desribe that the Australian High Court routinely upholds the right to free speech.

"The constitutional implication of freedom of political communication may have only recently been recognised in Australia, but it has rapidly developed through three generations of cases. It was initially recognised in 1992 on the grounds that it was necessary for the efficacious operation of the system of representative government which is mandated by the text and structure of the Commonwealth Constitution.

The bottom line is neither Australia nor Britain have an absolute right to Freedom of Speech/Expression or else games like Manhunt 2, Crimecraft or Left 4 Dead 2 would never have been banned.

You seem to have some incorrect assumptions at to what constitutes 'free speech'.

Banning a game does not imping on your right to free expression.