Bands you liked or respected until...

[Worgen]

I used to like system of the down until I heard the song science, well heard the song and actually listened to the lyrics, one of the lines is "science fails to recognize the single most potent element of human existence, letting the reigns go to the unfolding is faith" to me that sounds like they are saying, "science sucks, yay faith" and faith is one of the more retarded things that people have, so fuck em.

How would you explain their line "Why cry when angels deserve to die?" in "Chop Suey"? Taking lines out of context aside, perhaps "Science" is just a commentary on the short-comings of science? How its ostensible promise of leading us into a new and better world is slightly undercut when you consider the horrors humanity has had to endure ever since the advent of the modern age? Its undervaluing of the more spiritual, intangible qualities inherent in human existence?

Just throwing that out there, feel free to agree or disagree. Honestly, System aren't even that good in my opinion, so you not listening to them certainly isn't much of a loss as far as I'm concerned. That being said, if there's one thing I'm not a fan of, it's rash decisions!

If they also didn't repeat "science has failed our world" over and over again then I might be more inclined to agree, plus it doesn't help that the song is damn catchy and I cant even think about these stupid lyrics without the damn thing getting stuck in my head. I liked it allot better before I knew what the words said.

I suddenly like system of a down a lot more now.

RE: the theme of the thread, I don't like republicans, George Bush, or country music, but when the Dixie Chicks went off on Bush, I would have quit listening to them if I ever had listened to them in the first place. I also lost respect for Green Day after "american idiot" and I lost respect for Eminem after "mosh". Pretty much whenever a singer gets political in their music I loose respect for them.

But for a band to sing about how cold rationalism is the death of real living, that is exactly what music is imho. Music is real living and the exact opposite of cold rationalism. Science is cold rationalism and not real living.

Ugh, its the thread that wont fucken die. The only people that think science is cold and rational are people that don't know science, I know science, science is a personal friend and has much more love then any faith.

Then you would make a horrible scientist. Science is unbiased and clinical. Based on your most recent post in this thread I can Objectively say that you are neither objective nor clinical on this issue as evidenced by your use of the subjective words :"love" and "friend".
This shows two things:

First, despite what you say you believe, you clearly are not "scientific" all the time. (science is Latin for knowledge, and you are not operating on knowledge at this time, you are operating on emotion).
Second, despite what you say about subjective things like "faith", you have a great deal of faith in the usefulness of the scientific method. There are two ways to deduce that the scientific method is a useful method of inquiry. Either you admit that you have faith that the scientific method is useful (as I do), or else you use the scientific method to prove that the scientific method is useful. That would be circular reasoning. So the first one is naked faith, and the second one is covert faith.

I'm all for clinical objectivity when it is warranted. I do it all the time. But I don't have faith in it. That is just another faith based system with its own zealots who, if they are true zealots, they will remain in self denial until they see the error of their ways.

(don't argue with me on the point about proto-religious self denial or you will just be proving my point. I would recommend that you objectively attempt to dismantle the argument from the regress problem [the argument that says that science can't be used to prove itself as a valid method of inquiry] if you want to have a sophisticated argument.) ...of course, nobody has been able to dismantle that for hundreds of years...


Plus, I like music and other arts. They have more meaning when there is more to life than rationalism.

When you have to test a hypothesis you have to be rational and potentially cold about it but science is about the love, if you didn't have love for the world then why would you want to figure out how it worked, you wouldn't you would just do your little thing and wouldn't even think of ask the why and the how. You probably wouldn't even wonder what love was, you would just accept that it was there.

 

[launchpadmcqwak]

when i was 10 years old i liked my chemical romance (calm down i had no taste back then) they were my favorite band for like a year...then i saw them live and found out that the sucked asshole...never listened to them again (thank god)

more recently tho would be megadeth. i liked them before i found out Dave Mustain was a born again christian and prayed before going on stage. he also belives when he was a teenager he used wizard powers on people...true story

i have nothing against Christians it just takes the coolness out of thrash metal...also Mustain is a bit of an asshole

 

[Vern]

I liked Modest Mouse until I drove 500 miles to see them in concert, and Isaac Brock showed up an hour late drunk as a skunk. He then proceeded to slur his way through the concert and I couldn't even discern what song he was singing. Someone threw a plastic bottle on stage and he bitched about how it could've been a glass bottle and they don't have health insurance for a while. Then he cut himself on stage. It just pissed me off, I saw them two years before that at the same venue and they were amazing. Yes, he had a problem, but when he was doing LSD at least he showed up on time and did a great show. After that I was just sick of listening to them, too much time wasted, and since he had become an alcoholic who didn't give a shit I didn't feel like listening to them anymore.

 

[Generalissimo]

when i was knee high to a playing card i like the scissor sisters (don't worry, i hate them now) i liked some of their earlier works, then they released uncomfortable, pretensious BS that is expected of them, and any respect i had for them evaporated like water thrown onto plasma.

 

[Ultress]

i like to listen to Rise Against. But I won't buy anything they sell because they support PETA.

Same here,really like there music but refuse to support them.

 

[William Fleming]

I honestly used to like Avril Lavigne. That is until this happened:

 

[WarDialler]

I used to like Nightwish until I found out Tuomas Holopainen has some sort of twisted hardon for Walt Disney. Also if anyone starts that whole Tarja vs Anette thing again I will come round your house with Kevin Smith and Jason Mewes and beat the snot out of you, ala J&SBSB. Fact.

I'll take that challenge.

Tarja was an operatic singer doing symphonic metal. Annette Olzon is a pop singer. If you can't tell the vast musical difference between Ghost Love Score and Amaranth, there is no hope for you.

It's like Justin Timberlake suddenly being the lead singer of Disturbed. He's not a bad singer, and neither is Olzon, but the sound is off. Way off.

Yes, but the point is this arguement has been done to death all voer the internet and simply didn't need to be brought up again. Yes, OBVIOUSLY Tarja is a trained Soprano and Anette is a pop music singer. I LIKE THEM BOTH! Now back to your inflammatory Troll-hole before I put the boots to you.

 

[VincentR]

I loved, and still do love, Night Wish. But I don't like their new lead singer. I listened to their music for Tarja's amazing voice - and so it's regretful that it was apparently her fault that the band removed her.

 

[MagicMouse]

Nightwish. I used to WORSHIP that band. Now with the release of the new album "Imaginaerum" I see them as traitors.

They went from THIS:

To THIS:
Um, well I guess the album is too new to be on youtube, but...it's bad, trust me. XD

 

[SuperNova221]

I can't think of any examples where I lost respect for a band or artist because of something they did or an album they released, not any bands/artists I like at least.

Hm.

I used to like Electric Six. One of my favourite bands for a while. Seen them live recently. Love them now.

That's probably not the kind of thing the thread is asking for though. I tried. what more can you ask for?

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Foo Fighters. First three albums are gems, One By One was average/good, and In Your Honour onwards has been boring shite. Also, Josh Homme. Lullabies to Paralyse was ok (if a little boring at times), but after that it's just been the sound of a man going up his own arse. I can't believe the guitarist from a band as awesome as Kyuss (and I guess I wonder what the fuck John Paul Jones is doing too) is in something as godawful as Them Crooked Vultures.

 

[Pyramid Head]

I think this was System of a Down, but there was a group where i kind of liked the music but my opinion stagnated when i found out the lead singer was a vegan and supported PETA. PETA is one of those groups i file in the same category as the Westboro Baptist Church, a group that claims to stand for something but is really nothing more than a brace of hypocritical attention whores.

Also, i kind of liked Drowning Pool until they changed lead vocals. But other than that, i don't always follow bands and just listen to music, because even Rolling Stones has their ups and downs.

 

[BOOM headshot65]

I used to tolorate the Dixie Chicks, then they said that because of Bush, they were embarrased to be Americans. Ladies, I get it, you didnt like the guy, most people didnt (I like him though). But to say that you hat being American, just because of Bush? If you REALLY feel that way, you know you can renounce your citizenship, right?

 

[KingOfGreyfell]

DragonForce. Used to like 'em, then I realized all of their songs sound the same.

 

[Tips_of_Fingers]

DragonForce. Used to like 'em, then I realized all of their songs sound the same.

Haha, true enough. To be honest though, I only liked them because I was young and thought that really fast guitar-shredding = good music. It took me until I had seen them twice live before I grew out of them.

Just to flip the point of this thread on its head: I used to hate Gallows because Frank Carter is a massive prick and his vocals definitely take some getting used to. However, after seeing them live at Download Festival a few years ago, and actually listening to their music properly, I've come to really like them. Unfortunately Frank Carter's left the band and I'm still uncertain whether Wade Macneil (of Alexisonfire fame) will be a good replacement for that crazy, tattooed, little, ginger ************.

 

[karkar]

Jonny Craig (the lead singer of Dance Gavin Dance and Emarosa). I used to think he was awesome just cuz i love his singing style. then i made the mistake of looking him up and found out he's a total douche. the mild disrespect turned into burning hatred when he decided to try to use his official twitter to scam fans into giving him money.

as for entire groups, i dunno. if a group i like starts making music that doesn't do it for me, i just ignore it and listen to their older stuff.

 

[Dense_Electric]

Hahaha, I read the thread title and the word "Metallica" came out of my mouth before I even had a chance to think about it

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

I used to like system of the down until I heard the song science, well heard the song and actually listened to the lyrics, one of the lines is "science fails to recognize the single most potent element of human existence, letting the reigns go to the unfolding is faith" to me that sounds like they are saying, "science sucks, yay faith" and faith is one of the more retarded things that people have, so fuck em.

Yeah, when someone doesn't keep a leash on tankian, he can get just as irritating as malakian.
Really the song is less about science ITSELF being bad, but that we as people rely too much on science and technology, and that modern society is heartless. but yeah, too many times, his lyrics have the subtlety of an anvil.

I like to think that the lyrics there are more of a "Science doesn't recognise faith so therefore doesn't fully recognize human nature scene as faith is more or less a part of human nature" type theme rather than "worship god" type of nature.

this too

I stopped liking green day after American idiot (it wasn't the failure, it was the SLIDE)
I havent listened to any new music by metallica except the above song since St. Anger, not because the album was so terrible, but because each one of the songs could have been incredible, and then sobriety happened. How long do you think it'll be before Hetfield's wikipedia page is locked? John was the Walrus, James is the table. We need a Jacob to be the Refrigerator
Linkin Park had some decent stuff, but... well the less said about that, the better.
I stopped liking Fall Out Boy after I bought the album, and learned that they had the same problem St. Anger did... really, REALLY good bits drowned in a swamp of pure suck
I liked U2 until I gained taste...
ironically, I have MORE respect for ICP and that crowd NOW than when i was in their demographic (twelve). I still dont think they're any GOOD but I respect their commitment to their work and their fans. And Halls of Illusion kicks ass

Slightly off topic, but I remember Nickleback having two or three REALLY good songs that tricked me into thinking they were a decent band. Then I bought All the Right Reasons and normality was restored.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

I used to tolorate the Dixie Chicks, then they said that because of Bush, they were embarrased to be Americans. Ladies, I get it, you didnt like the guy, most people didnt (I like him though). But to say that you hat being American, just because of Bush? If you REALLY feel that way, you know you can renounce your citizenship, right?

Actually, what they said was that they were embarassed that bush was from texas.
"Just so you know, I am ashamed that President Bush is from Texas." is the actual quote.
Pissed us the hell OFF down here.

I love the piss out of the Gorillaz, but was a bit put off about the whole "real band taking over" thing, because whats-his-name wanted more recognition

 

[Tanis]

While I still enjoy Ozzy, even his ups and downs, and lost some respect for the legal debacle with Tony Iommi/Black Sabbath and his last live album.

Live From Bukaiaia (w/e) was horribad.