Battlefield 4's a "New Form of Cultural Aggression", Says Chinese State Media

[ChineseGuy212]

What's the difference between this and an electric chair or lethal injection?Please, I like to see your answer Mr.FREEEDOM.

My answer is that...

1) These people had no trial.
2) They are shooting men, women, and children wholesale.

Don't worry, you too might be cool enough to be called "Mr. Freedom" one day, but it is a big responsibility knowing all these facts.

Would you mind telling me how you arrived at these conclusions? The picture shows no evidence for either.
I lived in china for a good few years, and I can honestly say it's no much different from the UK or USA. There's more pressure in school and work, because it is much more competitive, but other than that, it's basically the same(but with better food).

 

[CloudAtlas]

While the constant presence of American Exceptionalism in video games and Hollywood blockbusters is is increasingly problematic in an increasingly international culture, I can't say that I sympathize with the Chinese military on this subject. At the end of the day, for many Asian countries, China has been just as big of a bad guy as America has. To this day, many people in Vietnam will tell you that a good portion of the war had to do with independence from China.

Their government is often times caught doing the exact same stuff as ours, but on a much bigger scale.
In the US, we may have a problem with Net Neutrality, but at least we don't get hauled off to jail for being re-tweeted too many times. We may have human rights abuses, domestically, that need resolution, but at least we don't have mobile execution vans. Congress might be overly partisan and corrupted by money, but at least we have more than one party to pick from. Blackwater? Try NORINCO. Frankly, this government has no right to complain when people portray it in a negative light. That said, neither does ours.

I share your sentiment.

I find it hard to sympathize with a Chinese government official complaining about the story of a video game demonizing China, when the Chinese government and its state-controlled media demonize other countries all the time... and more severely, more bluntly, and officially sanctioned.

And, honestly, in possible future conflicts, sparked by, say, an incident in the South China Sea or the Senkaku islands, it's a bit hard to see China coming off as the good guy, given its past behaviour. I wonder how Chinese officials would react if a movie or game told such a story, a story that would, by the way, be much more credible than BF4's.

 

[Do4600]

The Chinese are kind of right on this one...

Well it could be worse, we could be constantly flooding the most vital computer networks with violent access attempts many millions of times per minute. I suppose having a company inside our borders with no affiliation to our government making a game about a possible rogue Chinese general is obviously much worse than, for instance, concentrating the entire cyber-warfare resources of the largest nation on earth onto destroying the computer infrastructure of a country. I guess passive aggressive culture is soooo much worse than passive aggressive warfare.

Wow, slow your roll there. The US is engaged in "Cyber warfare" and electronic intelligence gathering on a larger scale than the Chinese are. So we can't claim some kind of moral high ground there. Bonus points to you for describing attempts to gain access to networks "violent", kudos on that one.

I am not saying Battlefied 4 shouldn't have been made or that it should have had a different plot. This whole "rogue general" stuff is bullshit though, it is just a way for them to make the Chinese the enemy without seeming blatantly anti-Chinese. It is cashing in on the current fear in the US of a rising Chinese economy, putting China on the path to become a future super power to rival or even surpass the US. I can see the fear lives in you.

vi·o·lent
adjective
1.
using or involving force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

I just think it's hilarious that there's a diplomatic association saying that the culture of the United States is demonizing China when there's solid evidence that the P.L.A. is performing cyber attacks against the United States.

We don't need to portray them as threatening because they are actively threatening us.

 

[Vykrel]

honestly, i would see it as a compliment. the only reason China has become an option for shooters nowadays is that the country is growing in power. also, you dont see Russia complaining about this kind of thing.

AND these series typically have Americans as the enemy, as well.

 

[RicoADF]

Because this is their navy:
http://www.militarylulz.com/image/militaryfunny/small/1304/win-north-korea-military-funny-1366203181.jpg

And this is their air force:
http://www.memeboat.com/post_image/503103.jpg

It's basically impossible to have a modern war game about the U.S. getting invaded without it being stupid or offensive. It would take several of the most powerful nations in the world working together to even pose a small threat. Even the Soviet Union would have suffered a crushing defeat without the help of nuclear weapons. Personally I'd like the next COD game to be about space Nazis. At least then I don't have to pretend to take their nonsense seriously.

While yes North Korea would be no threat, don't delude yourself on America's military might. The one time China and US have fought the Chinese sent your military into a full retreat (Korean war) back to the 38th parallel. If anything history paints a different picture.

OT: I'd like some more diversity as well, heck I'd love to have a game set in the 6 day war between Israel and the Arab alliance or any of their conflicts. That's where you see true modern wars, not these one sided fights the US has caused or entered.

 

[Fox12]

Because this is their navy:
http://www.militarylulz.com/image/militaryfunny/small/1304/win-north-korea-military-funny-1366203181.jpg

And this is their air force:
http://www.memeboat.com/post_image/503103.jpg

It's basically impossible to have a modern war game about the U.S. getting invaded without it being stupid or offensive. It would take several of the most powerful nations in the world working together to even pose a small threat. Even the Soviet Union would have suffered a crushing defeat without the help of nuclear weapons. Personally I'd like the next COD game to be about space Nazis. At least then I don't have to pretend to take their nonsense seriously.

While yes North Korea would be no threat, don't delude yourself on America's military might. The one time China and US have fought the Chinese sent your military into a full retreat (Korean war) back to the 38th parallel. If anything history paints a different picture.

OT: I'd like some more diversity as well, heck I'd love to have a game set in the 6 day war between Israel and the Arab alliance or any of their conflicts. That's where you see true modern wars, not these one sided fights the US has caused or entered.

America was forced into a stale mate after China sent 3million soldiers over the border. Impressive, since the United States was caught off guard by a massive force composed entirely of war hardened Chinese military veterans. Keep in mind the Chinese army already had decades of experience in war, and they were on familiar land whereas we were on foreign soil. I wouldn't call that a defeat. In any case my point was that any nation fighting a defensive war has the advantage. We would have failed to invade either china or Russia without nukes. However, having the most powerful military in the world, the idea that a single nation, any nation, could currently invade mainland USA is laughable. That's why it was stupid when BOTH Red Dawn films and COD Ghosts tried to paint America as the under dog. It's also insulting, since I fully admit that the U.S. has had an unfortunate history of imperialism, particularly in South America (really COD?).

 

[gargantual]

This is inevitable when you're making games framed in a modern conflict. Unless you either invent a new faction, or you're making the player characters out to be the bad guys, you're going to be pissing a lot of people off.

Well there's always the PMR mega-corporate option. Doesn't get in any nations way, and considering the global economy, its easier to rationalize to the 'lay'-player, and easy for common folk to hate, but rich folks and publishers probably aren't keen on constantly funding shooter ideas, that gives the 1% more bad P.R.

If not, there's still the Strogg from Quake. Some warrior race amongst their kin, could use a next gen polish and fleshed out military depiction. the horror of shooting down what remains of your buddies in uniform, and they're not zombies.

 

[Gary Thompson]

Is someone actually defending China's systematic jackbooted oppression of their own people?

Really?

Really? Please tell me I'm just mistaken, and no one's actually defending the actions of communist dictatorships.

America for all it's flaws, moronic politicians, warmongering, blind patriotism, is still better than that bandit government called the People's Republic of China and any other horrific communist dictatorship also.

I love China, I think it's a great country, full of great people, which only makes me hate their illegitimate government more for destroying Chinese culture and killing millions upon millions of Chinese.

 

[Flutterguy]

Well of course media is used to brainwash people to the countries will. Propaganda has been around thousands of years don't act like you don't know.

I remember the 2008 summer Olympics China. Digitally removing smog and adding fireworks and crowd cheering noises. For shame China, you hypocritical country you.

 

[Sarge034]

Would you mind telling me how you arrived at these conclusions? The picture shows no evidence for either.
I lived in china for a good few years, and I can honestly say it's no much different from the UK or USA. There's more pressure in school and work, because it is much more competitive, but other than that, it's basically the same(but with better food).

Ok, "ChineseGuy212" has 6 posts and is siding with China... Totally legit. And just the same as the USA and the UK? Say "this government sucks" in the US and the UK and then say "this government sucks" in China. You have to do it in that order because you won't get the chance to say it in the US/UK if you start in China.

One - How do you know there was no trial?
Two- Where in that picture did you see children?
Don't worry, you don't need to answer me.I know you're puling shit out of your ass.

Do you want the standing human rights standard under the Chinese government or Chinese massacres? Both of which depict a trend of no trials and indiscriminate executions. More to the point, the version of that picture that is in wide view shows a large group of people "waiting their turn" that includes men, women, and children.

Don't worry, I won't report you for making personal insults. This time.

 

[Atmos Duality]

The PRC is complaining about "Cultural Aggression"?

The same PRC that just in the last decade is responsible for the deliberate death and economic deprivation of millions of its own citizens? The same PRC that is so terrified of its own people organizing and rising up that they turned their own branch of the internet into the world's largest digital Panopticon?

Hahahaha!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
HA HA HA!!!!!

Oh you silly hypocrites.

But it's OK; I promise that I'll just laugh harder if you make a counter-propaganda game depicting the US Army as the jackbooted bad guys, with the PRC People's Police and military forces as the saviors.

Though given their track record at home, I don't see that game selling too well domestically.

 

[Glaice]

It's just a game. So is Command and Conquer: Generals. Why stir up a tissy over this?

 

[soulblade06]

Is anyone shocked.

Just imagine what would happen if one of these big games had the stones to make the USA the antagonist.
Imagine the US media reaction.

To be fair, some news media networks still think we're a bunch of mass-murderers and sociopaths. Killing Americans in a video game won't really tarnish the reputation of gaming that much (either people already think video games are evil (a demographic that luckily seems to be shrinking) or they don't).


This is why "Modern Military Shooters" (as Totalbiscuit calls them) need to just give up on the concept of a campaign. It will inevitably be a rushed, sub-par piece of garbage that only gets played to either test out weapons that are harder to unlock in multiplayer or in order to receive some reward/customization in multiplayer.

Barring that, why doesn't a UN coalition fight back against a rogue US general every once and a while? Or if you really are going to be fighting some devious military leader that is opposed by his home nation, maybe that home nation should be helping you out a bit? Instead of just giving up in the last ten minutes like the Chinese soldiers in Battlefield 4 did? Because it doesn't really matter whether or not a guy has his government's blessing if every "non-Emurican" military force you encounter is trying to kill you.

 

[chukrum47]

Is it just me, or did that read like, "We know Russia has been the go-to bad guy for years, and we're totally cool with that, so don't make us the bad guys, cause when you do that it's Cultural Aggression"?

 

[Zefar]

China gets mad whenever they are placed in a game. Even if they are on the good side or not they always think they are showed in the wrong way.