...okay, if womz being in the game is unrealistic, but being able to learn a gun's "recoil pattern" is fine...
Battlefield V reveal- your thoughts?
- Thread starter Squilookle
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I don't know how large MGO maps are, or whether you had aim assist on, or if the game has hitscan weapons. After BC2, bullet drop stopped you from pointing and clicking, and you had to guess the range and use the mildots. Then they added that stupid rangefinder in BF4, but anyways I never found myself quickscoping and headshotting players across the map. In fact I found it difficult to even hit a moving person.Phoenixmgs said:
There are fps games where weapons are not tied to fire exactly at the center of the screen. Weapon inertia will screw up your ability to move your gun and shoot someone instantly.
I have to wonder, do people even buy these games for the campaign? It seems like COD cut it out, but people are mad only because don't want to pay $60 for a multiplayer game even if they weren't going to play the campaign in the first place. Then there's Battlefield. I don't think anyone couldn't trust DICE to make a good singleplayer campaign after BF3. Those BF3 E3 trailers fooled everybody, but after that I doubt people buy it for the campaign.
There's one game that I know that did well with the suffering campaign, and that's CoH2. It was historically inaccurate and the Russians hated it for very good reasons, but it sold near CoH1, don't know the numbers exactly, but such a campaign is totally possible.
Well...I wonder how much of that is in CoD or any of the games this has "copied".Squilookle said:Here is the list of changes, for those wondering:
While all but one of those are missing the vehicle variety that really sells Battlefield, if Warhawk ever came to PC I'd be all over it in a flash.Phoenixmgs said:
The details there actually pique my interest a decent amount too, thanks.
So Europe and Africa on launch again huh... Oh well.Squilookle said:
But some of those changes I didn't know about and they look very interesting. How they will go over in the Battlefield community, I don't know. Just mention throwing knives in a Battlefield forum and people lose their shit. I really do now wish they had chosen some other, more exotic setting so all these drastic changes wouldn't be so out of place.
True, there ain't many shooters with vehicles in them.Squilookle said:
The maps weren't large (6v6 was the standard), but even shooting across a football field with an assault rifle, the best marksman in the world isn't going to be able to out-shoot a gamer with a controller. Also, there is no aim-assist in MGO2, wouldn't be surprised if there was some slight degree of bullet magnetism though. Most weapons were hitscan I believe though the tranq guns (pistol and sniper) weren't and you had to lead your targets. Sure, there's ways to make aiming harder in a video game but most shooters, especially anything semi-popular, do very little to make aiming and shooting much harder. Plus, the biggest trick to shooting accurately in real life isn't the actual aiming but not jerking the gun when firing.I don said:
I would definitely think a minority cares about the campaign, but the question is how big is that minority? It could be in the millions with how COD sells. Activision and EA want these games to be the biggest sellers possible and suffering/depressing just doesn't sell as well regardless of medium really.
Yes I would enjoy this campaign.Lufia Erim said:
From what I've seen, I don't think racists would enjoy being lectured, but rather they would deny that this happened or it is overblown, just like how they keep saying the Holocaust never happened. They and patriotic people would definitely be angry that they decided to focus on issue. In reality, this is what happened.
Personally, I don't think not having a campaign will stop people from buying it, unless it's MW4. I guess we will see when BO4 comes out. I don't think a campaign should be all suffering, because that would get tiring quickly. Also you can notice that these campaigns are trying not to be all bombastic, like COD:WW2 depiction of the Holocaust, or BF1's first mission. I don't think they were very effective, but when people keep on complaining how easy, basic, and boring the campaigns are, I think you at least need to tone down the number of people you kill every level and how easy it is to kill them.Phoenixmgs said:
Are the people complaining the voice of the majority? Because complainers are usually the vocal minority, especially with regards to any kind of forum posting. Also, are the complainers still buying the product yearly?I don said:
The prosthetic is her left arm and hand, the gun she's using is a Thompson which is about 5KG-6KG - its not a BAR - and she's holding it and firing it in her right hand. The prosthetic is supporting it at the barrel, so what she's doing isn't impossible. Like wise the trench club she wallops Fritz with is wielded in her right hand, and it looks like she had a bit of a run up before lamping him.Kreett said:
So again, not impossible. Highly unlikely, but not impossible. Certainly not in this two-fisted, pulp fiction style they've got going on.
More like 3%. Which comes out to over 800,000.BabyfartsMcgeezaks said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Russian_and_Soviet_military
She uses a bolt action too though. Now that seems like the kind of weapon that you might need two hands for.Gordon_4 said:
Actually, now that I think about it, why does she have a sniper rifle and a tommy gun? Those should be two separate weapon classes.
EDIT: Now that I've thought more about it, I can't see how this prosthetic stuff can work.
If that lady is the character model for a whole class in the game, then a) you have a way too distinct player model for a class that is going to picked by essentially a quarter of the server and b) every single player using that class is going to have a bionic arm, even if you are a fan of this aesthetic you can't say that won't look weird.
If it's just a customizable thing, then you're essentially turning someone's grave injury into a fucking cosmetic item, that doesn't sound right.
I now have a feeling this lady is just going to be in singleplayer or something.
I didn't notice her using a bolt action, but I agree, that would be difficult as fuck to use with one working hand.Bob_McMillan said:
DICE has said that all soldiers in multiplayer will be customizable, so she, just like the rest of the outrageous crew (seriously, no one has anything to say about the paratrooper with the Katana, the black guy in a weird mix of tanker, paratrooper and infantry gear and two pairs of goggles or the dude running around in a tank top and non-regulation beard?) is probably meant as a showcase of what kind of customization you can achieve in multiplayer.Bob_McMillan said:
Besides, getting hung up on a prosthetic as a customization option as distasteful is pretty weird when you are talking about a game that is essentially providing light entertainment of the worst conflict in human history, that claimed some 70+ million lives worldwide.
Not really. Any shooter worth their damn, especially of the sharpshooter or sniper variety, will cycle the bolt without taking the rifle off their shoulder. When you do it that way you are using your shoulder as a brace for the rifle, which means that whether you've got a stable grip on the front hand guard or not isn't important. The point of doing it like that is to preserve your aim for a follow up shot and it is pretty basic drill for bolt action rifles.Gordon_4 said:
It's so American to think that women didn't fight in WW2, just because American women didn't. Many European countries didn't have the luxury of allowing only men to fight. A lot of minors fought as well. Why don't people ask for some 15 year old soldiers and resistance fighters in WW2 games if they're so in love with the idea of authenticity?
To be fair the overwehelming majority of female British soldiers served in AA batteries as spotlight operators, or nurses, or as unofficial prostitutes in the ATS and specifically didn't see frontline European theater action.Adam Jensen said: