Bethesda Says Wii U Is "Not On Our Radar"
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I guess Nintendo has always gotten along doing its first-party stuff, but...
On the other hand, I always remember buying its systems, too. The Wii U is the first console Nintendo's put out that I just... I can't fork over the dough. I can't justify it. I've got more than enough money for it, but I was burned so hard by the Wii experience that I'm extremely gunshy now, and everybody I talk to in regards to it doesn't make me feel any better about it.
I feel kind of sad, actually. It was a long tradition of mine, and I love Nintendo's IP, but... enh. I can't.
On the other hand, I always remember buying its systems, too. The Wii U is the first console Nintendo's put out that I just... I can't fork over the dough. I can't justify it. I've got more than enough money for it, but I was burned so hard by the Wii experience that I'm extremely gunshy now, and everybody I talk to in regards to it doesn't make me feel any better about it.
I feel kind of sad, actually. It was a long tradition of mine, and I love Nintendo's IP, but... enh. I can't.
Just like with the DS. And the Wii. And the 3DS.Shadow-Phoenix said:
Funnily enough, the latter intrigues me the most. Y'see, at launch there was a smattering of 3rd parties dealings, but after sales went down due to 3rd parties failing to put out product on a regular basis said 3rd parties threw a hissy fit and left. And then the sales went back up, kind of showing that said 3rd parties fucked up on making that decision...and yet they've never come back to it. When was the last time Activision, Ubisoft, or EA made a title for the 3DS? It's kind of odd how they ignore the highest-selling system on the market right now (though Japanese 3rd parties HAPPILY make stuff for it). I wouldn't be surprised if they pull something like that with the Wii U when sales pick back up. It's like watching a teenager sulk after being proven wrong.
That...is an oddly apt comparison. TES is a good series, but Nintendo execs would just lose their minds at the amount of bugs Bethesda lets happen. Plus with X coming out next year I think Nintendo will be fine in terms of open-ended RPGsj-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
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I am absolutely shit at recognizing sarcasm, but no. This is about as obvious as sarcasm can get.kiri2tsubasa said:Considering the other companies he mention, no, I have doubts that he is being sarcastic.Soxafloppin said:I want to want a WiiU, but its getting pretty difficult
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic dude.kiri2tsubasa said:
Kinda a shame. I get the feeling that they'd have some inventive uses for the touch pad. Like maybe in Fallout, VATS would be on the touchscreen in real-time, so you could tap an enemies' head on that and your character would attack that enemies' head.
It would be quite hilarious if they came crawling back once the Wii U picks up but at the same time it would show their true colours and once I see that happen I know how desperate they'll appear to be in doing that.Aiddon said:
Once I get a Wii U it won't really affect or matter whether or not Ubi,EA or Activision make a game for the console seeing as how I own a PC and will grab a PS4 down the road, in the end I'll support what I like out of a game/console.
Haha. Good luck with that. I live in Europe, where that game actually got a fairly widespread release, but even then, to get it two years after it was released required a monumental effort...klaynexas3 said:
And lots of waiting around for an online retailer to manage to dig up some copies. (They said they could get it on back-order, and they did. Eventually, but they pushed back the delivery date 4 times in a row...)
Not an easy game to find...
The only reason I can think of for them not going back to the 3DS IS that their egos were bruised that badly and they know crawling back to Nintendo would be humiliating for them. They might as well be burning money as ignoring the 3DS is just a stupid business move no matter how you try to slice it.Shadow-Phoenix said:
I already have it sense my brother has a WiiU, it just means when one of us move away, I have to get my own WiiU. 70$ and 3 bidding wars on Ebay well spent.CrystalShadow said:
I can understand that. Legend of Zelda looks like a game that a lot of people would really love and looks like a series I would love and...I can't bring myself to love it. Maybe I'm playing the wrong ones, maybe I need to find "my Zelda game" as there are 17 out at the moment, certainly there must be one that I'd actually love. But also, I don't see what makes it so great. For the time I can understand, it was a great pioneer in adventure games, but sadly I missed out on it, and now it just seems like polish on things that I feel other companies can do just as well, if not better, in a few tries instead of 17. At least that's my take on most Nintendo games.Arnoxthe1 said:I don't like very many franchises that Nintendo has at all now but the franchises I do like (Super Smash Bros., Legend of Zelda) I really adore.klaynexas3 said:
Ultimately though, for Nintendo...
I'm sorry, but looks don't make the power. The power does. I don't know the specific specs of the Wii U, so if you were to show them in comparison to a PS3 or 360 I'd believe you, but saying screenshots is what does it, and especially with Pikmin 3(which isn't that great looking of a game graphically speaking), does not prove a point in any way at all.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Nintendo's image (further enforced in Nintendo America (EArthbound got a T rating now somehow)) of kid-friendliness limits a ton of games right away, and their (more admirable) insistence on QA compared to spray and pray, and maybe add a patch later mehtods prevalent across the industry are probably why they're gunshy. The tablets easy enough to handle simply by dumping your menus on there.
Bethesda tends to make bug-infested half-concepts of games, that dabble (to various levels, and with mediocre success) in non-kid friendly themes. The odds are the two wouldn't mesh up even if the Wii-U was super-edge piece of hardware.
Bethesda tends to make bug-infested half-concepts of games, that dabble (to various levels, and with mediocre success) in non-kid friendly themes. The odds are the two wouldn't mesh up even if the Wii-U was super-edge piece of hardware.
Big whoop. Not like this hasn't happened before with Ubisoft. I like to think Nintendo is aiming to give us a different library of games from the norm.
However, that's not to say they really need more developers to join them. We didn't need them to tell us they had poorly planned this out again. Hopefully they are cooking up a plan to get through this because it feels so empty lately. Not only that, but they've got to stop hanging off Mario so much and remaking certain games. Get something we miss like new a Lylat Wars and F-Zero games happening, or something. I'm actually worried about them.
However, that's not to say they really need more developers to join them. We didn't need them to tell us they had poorly planned this out again. Hopefully they are cooking up a plan to get through this because it feels so empty lately. Not only that, but they've got to stop hanging off Mario so much and remaking certain games. Get something we miss like new a Lylat Wars and F-Zero games happening, or something. I'm actually worried about them.
Bethesda Softworks haven't developed a game for a Nintendo home console in 22 years. Since their founding 27 years ago, they've only published around 4 games that ended up on Nintendo home entertainment systems. Two of those games were on the original NES.
Bethesda has just never offered Nintendo any major support. In all likeliness they were never going to release any games for the Wii U regardless of its hardware or sales.
The hardware limitations argument is just pretext. Any games they're putting on PS3 and Xbox 360 can be put onto the Wii U. It has around double the RAM and as developers Shin'en Studios have already said, Wii U can do easily what Xbox 360 couldn't do at all. Which is 1080p rendering in a single pass and at 60fps. The Wii U is more powerful that PS3 and Xbox 360. Period. It's definitely much weaker than PS4 and Xbox One, but any game that can be played on their predecessors, hardware is not a plausible excuse for not putting the games onto Wii U.
It's okay for them not to put their games on Wii U, that's nothing new and no one should have actually been expecting them to given their history of support so far. But they shouldn't blame it on the hardware if it isn't actually the problem. And chances are the hardware isn't the real problem, not for all of their games anyway. The ones that will only show up on PS4, Xbox One, and PC sure, but that isn't the case for all their games. If the Wii U looks like a risky investment because of its poor sales, just say so instead of further pushing the idea that the Wii U's hardware isn't even as good as PS360.
Bethesda has just never offered Nintendo any major support. In all likeliness they were never going to release any games for the Wii U regardless of its hardware or sales.
The hardware limitations argument is just pretext. Any games they're putting on PS3 and Xbox 360 can be put onto the Wii U. It has around double the RAM and as developers Shin'en Studios have already said, Wii U can do easily what Xbox 360 couldn't do at all. Which is 1080p rendering in a single pass and at 60fps. The Wii U is more powerful that PS3 and Xbox 360. Period. It's definitely much weaker than PS4 and Xbox One, but any game that can be played on their predecessors, hardware is not a plausible excuse for not putting the games onto Wii U.
It's okay for them not to put their games on Wii U, that's nothing new and no one should have actually been expecting them to given their history of support so far. But they shouldn't blame it on the hardware if it isn't actually the problem. And chances are the hardware isn't the real problem, not for all of their games anyway. The ones that will only show up on PS4, Xbox One, and PC sure, but that isn't the case for all their games. If the Wii U looks like a risky investment because of its poor sales, just say so instead of further pushing the idea that the Wii U's hardware isn't even as good as PS360.
Seriously, who in their right mind would want this anyway!? Who though this would even happen!?
It's like talking about how Oblivion never making it to the wii.
Of course these kind of games aren't making it to the wiiU, and if they did they wouldn't sell well because they aren't Mario, Zelda, etc.: the real reason people buy these things.
I'm just gonna go ahead and take this as the first announcement of Elder Scrolls 6, yeah Valenwood! Whoo! How about a holiday 2013 release? Guys? Guys?!Andy Chalk said:
Honestly, the only people I can really see this being a problem for are kids who's parents only purchase Nintendo consoles for them but the young ones still have good tastes in games through their degenerate friends.
Heh. Well, that's lucky. Xenoblade Chronicles drove me nuts trying to get hold of. Still, sounds Like I nonetheless got a bargain for it... Relatively speaking anyway. XDklaynexas3 said:
I've honestly given up on arguing any kind of point point about this, but since you want technical specs... Sure, why not. Not that it's easy to untangle what exactly they mean, but eh. Not my problem.klaynexas3 said:
Xbox 360:
Cpu: Custom IBM Xenon processor 3 cores running at 3.2 ghz - Based on the PowerPC architecture.
CPU: Custom ATI Xenos GPU with 10 mb dedicated eDram + access to main memory. 48 unified shader cores. (The Xenos seems to be somewhere between the Ati X1000 and 2000 series in terms of design.). 16 texture filtering units. - Gpu runs at 500 mhz
Ram: 512 mb of DDR3 RAM running at 700 mhz. Shared between GPU & CPU.
Disk media: (12x) DVD drive. (optional external HD-DVD drive)
Internal Storage: Varies by model, up to 320 GB HDD or more.
Other storage: Support for USB storage & custom memory cards
Networking: 10/100 Ethernet. Wi-Fi 802.11n in newest models
output: Varies with model. r YPBPR component video, VGA or HDMI depending on model.
PS3:
CPU: custom version of IBM cell processor. 1 PPE processing unit based on PowerPC architecture, + 7 SPE units, largely dedicated to vector processing calculations. (one of which is dedicated to security functions). All of which runs at 3.2 ghz
GPU: RSX (Reality Synthesizer). Custom built Nvidia gpu, derived from the 7800 GTX, but with less ROP's and with a 128 bit memory bus instead of 256. - Has 256 MB of dedicated video memory. 24 pixel shaders, 8 vertex shaders, 8 ROP's, 24 texture filtering units
Memory: 256 MB main system RAM, 256 MB video RAM
Disk Media: (2x) Blu-ray drive
Internal storage: 20-500 GB hard drive, depending on model.
Other storage: Some models supported SD card and Compact Flash. USB external storage.
Networking: Gigabit ethernet, bluetooth, built-in wifi on most models.
Output: HDMI on all models, various other analog and HD outputs.
Wii U:
CPU: Espresso cpu. shares an MCM (multi-chip-module) with the gpu. Custom made by IBM. Based on Power7 architecture. 3 cores running at ~1.24 ghz. Apparently has a very unusual cache configuration. Placement with GPU on MCM module allows very high speed communications between CPU and GPU.
GPU: Latte gpu. Custom ATI/AMD design. Related to ATI 4000 series, but very heavily customised to the point that it is hard to identify. 320 stream processors, 8 ROP's, 16 Texture mapping units. Full Wii gpu functionality. 32 mb dedicated eDram + additional 1 mb sram, and a further block of 2mb of eDram separate from the other 32. - the gpu also does audio processing. Placement on the MCM gives it very fast communications with the CPU. clocked at ~550 mhz.
Ram: 2 GB of main memory, plus 34 mb of eDram. Both CPU and GPU can freely access both. (1 additional mb appears to be solely for Wii compatibility mode.)
Disk media: proprietary 5x disks 25 gb per layer (similar to blu-ray)
Internal storage: 8 or 32 GB of flash memory depending on model
Other storage: SDHC cards (currently appear to only function in Wii mode), USB external storage.
Communications: 802.11 b/g/n wireless built-in. (ethernet with optional adapter only), bluetooth.
output: HDMI or various analog video output formats.
So... Those are the specs. What do they tell us? Nothing particularly obvious, except in terms of the amount of RAM. Other than that, the performance of various components in these systems is really hard to judge.
The GPU in the Wii U clearly outclasses the 360, and likely the PS3 as well, by a reasonable margin. On the other hand, the CPU looks incredibly weak by comparison.
But, these specs being so different to eachother, it's very hard to say with any certainty whether the Wii U is faster than the PS3/360, about the same, or slower.
Estimates vary from anything from the same, (hardly ever is it considered slower, but there are a few scattered opinions to the effect), or anything from 1.5 to 6 times as powerful as the 360 & PS3 are...
But who really knows. That's the problem with specs; especially ones that don't compare that cleanly...