Bi-sexuality.

[OverlordSteve]

even if by this you mean that you find other people of the same sex attractive and that's that.

That's what bisexuality is. Is a heterosexual guy who's never had a girlfriend not straight?

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

I've noticed something.

There have been several jerks who've said some very offensive things about bisexuals. No one has responded to these obvious trolls.

That's kind of the point.

Don't feed the trolls, kids.

 

[wolfchylde]

-snip!-

Don't be **** bro, try some reading comprehension, it works wonders.

I might suggest you take some of your own advice. I've seen a couple of folks here now who have asserted that 100% gay/lesbian or straight people are in the minority, citing the Kinsey scale. I got curious about this, because it didn't sound right to me, so I followed this link that was posted earlier: http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/research/ak-hhscale.html

(Emphasis added)

Interviewing people about their sexual histories, the Kinsey team found that, for many people, sexual behavior, thoughts and feelings towards the same or opposite sex was not always consistent across time. Though the majority of men and women reported being exclusively heterosexual, and a percentage reported exclusively homosexual behavior and attractions, many individuals disclosed behaviors or thoughts somewhere in between.
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There is no 'test.' The scale is purely a method of self-evaluation based on your individual experience, and the rating you choose may change over time.

I believe this speaks for itself, unless your reading comprehension is poor.

I don't recall anywhere I used the Kinsey scale as anything more than a tool to put a 'reference point' to behaviors. As a matter of fact, one of the biggest criticisms of Kinsey's work is that people well, LIED about their sexual history (remember WHEN these studies were done mind you).

I will state again, that simply claiming to be 100% heterosexual does not make it so, any more than claiming to be 100% faithful or 100% honest does. Again, having observed years and years and years of supposedly "straight" men with wives and wedding rings and the whole shebang getting it on with other men when the wives weren't around; The "CLAIM" of 100% heterosexuality is a touch suspect. And people willfully ignore that 'dirty little secret' because it suits their worldview. The reports about men on the 'Down Low' can be eye opening, and I'm trying to think how many of my friends who are supposedly so 'straight' didn't fool around with someone of their own gender on a regular basis at varying points in their life... and that number is less than 1/4 of them.

 

[Nimcha]

-snip!-

Don't be **** bro, try some reading comprehension, it works wonders.

I might suggest you take some of your own advice. I've seen a couple of folks here now who have asserted that 100% gay/lesbian or straight people are in the minority, citing the Kinsey scale. I got curious about this, because it didn't sound right to me, so I followed this link that was posted earlier: http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/research/ak-hhscale.html

(Emphasis added)

Interviewing people about their sexual histories, the Kinsey team found that, for many people, sexual behavior, thoughts and feelings towards the same or opposite sex was not always consistent across time. Though the majority of men and women reported being exclusively heterosexual, and a percentage reported exclusively homosexual behavior and attractions, many individuals disclosed behaviors or thoughts somewhere in between.
...
There is no 'test.' The scale is purely a method of self-evaluation based on your individual experience, and the rating you choose may change over time.

I believe this speaks for itself, unless your reading comprehension is poor.

I don't recall anywhere I used the Kinsey scale as anything more than a tool to put a 'reference point' to behaviors. As a matter of fact, one of the biggest criticisms of Kinsey's work is that people well, LIED about their sexual history (remember WHEN these studies were done mind you).

I will state again, that simply claiming to be 100% heterosexual does not make it so, any more than claiming to be 100% faithful or 100% honest does. Again, having observed years and years and years of supposedly "straight" men with wives and wedding rings and the whole shebang getting it on with other men when the wives weren't around; The "CLAIM" of 100% heterosexuality is a touch suspect. And people willfully ignore that 'dirty little secret' because it suits their worldview. The reports about men on the 'Down Low' can be eye opening, and I'm trying to think how many of my friends who are supposedly so 'straight' didn't fool around with someone of their own gender on a regular basis at varying points in their life... and that number is less than 1/4 of them.

Are you sure though you want to build your view on the rest of the world on these personal experiences?

 

[wolfchylde]

I have a problem with the statement "the Kinsey Scale is Wrong", especially as it's presented here:

I don't see percentages in that chart anywhere, so where is the 'wrong' part? It's a SCALE, which is used to measure levels of sexual behaviors, not a graph of them.

 

[HotFezz8]

Most people are at least a little bi. People who are 100% straight/gay are very, very rare.

people who are 100% straight are very common. but we call them "closet gays"

 

[Thespian]

@ thesp, vertical? clarify

"Thesp", eh? Ritzy.

But yes, it's important to note that all "zeroes" are not going to have the same sexual tendencies. They could have varying degrees of attraction to the opposite sex. So if you think of Horizontal as Category and Vertical as "severity" of sexual tendencies... You see, otherwise the Kinsey scale does not account for those who have no sexual urge whatsoever, experience sexual repression, et cetera...

I know one or two things there were phrased awfully, but I'm feverish right now and finding it hard to string sentences together. Apologies.

 

[Stoic raptor]

Well, I used to think I was slightly bisexual, veering mostly homosexual.
Then I found porn.

Now I am certain I am straight. Never thought of a guy like that every again. But the past still haunts me.

 

[AWAR]

even if by this you mean that you find other people of the same sex attractive and that's that.

That's what bisexuality is. Is a heterosexual guy who's never had a girlfriend not straight?

That's bi-curiosity. Even if someone here identifies as a bisexual, I'm pretty sure he would hesitate to do so in real life.

 

[wolfchylde]

All I can say is, you have no idea how to troll on the internet, because you failed at the very beginning: you were the first to get worked up. So fuck off and lurk more.

Also: nice nerdy reference, you really are living up to the stereotype.

I'm not worked up at all, tho I freely admit it's kinda fun poking people like you with a stick, because you explode in a hail of obscenities and insults almost immediately. it's like a forum piñata. You're getting hilariously upset over something you REALLY shouldn't. I KNOW 100% straight guys, not a whole lot of them, but I know them, and they NEVER get this bent out of shape if someone calls their sexuality into question. They kinda *shrug* and go on about their business.

 

[Scarecrow]

With my Christian views, I tend to see bi-sexuality as a form of lust. This gets me into some pretty bad arguments that I usually end up walking away from before I rip the other person apart.

My problem with bi-sexuality is almost entirely about sex, though. I believe that it is possible, actually, I believe it's important to love people from both sexes. Not in a sexual kind of love, though. More of a "Man hath no greater love than this: that he lay down his life for his friends," kind. The mixing of the two types of love is what puts me off.

If anyone has any arguments or supplements for my views, I'd love to hear them.

'sigh'...people used to beat me up for being bi, and I would ask them why and they would say exactly what you just said...almost word for word.

 

[xdom125x]

Bisexuality exists and I accept that. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. It isn't bad or anything wrong (I guess)

An "Exclusively Heterosexual" individual is just as rare as an "exclusively homosexual" one.

Go Kinsey Scale.

A lot of people touting to be "strict straights" are actually 1s or 2s.

Being Bisexual (3) is just as valid as any other stance on sexual behaviour between X and Y genders (see wut I did thar?), as long as we're talking consensual adults I have nothing against it.

I'd probably fall at a 1 on there because I haven't met a man that I have had sexual attraction to while not completely eliminating the chance of it being possible.

 

[Baneat]

@ thesp, vertical? clarify

"Thesp", eh? Ritzy.

But yes, it's important to note that all "zeroes" are not going to have the same sexual tendencies. They could have varying degrees of attraction to the opposite sex. So if you think of Horizontal as Category and Vertical as "severity" of sexual tendencies... You see, otherwise the Kinsey scale does not account for those who have no sexual urge whatsoever, experience sexual repression, et cetera...

I know one or two things there were phrased awfully, but I'm feverish right now and finding it hard to string sentences together. Apologies.

I just genuinely wanted to know how you introduce a vertical component into that scale. and yeah, I like to abbreviate when I'm just trying to differentiate who the comment's for.

 

[wolfchylde]

Are you sure though you want to build your view on the rest of the world on these personal experiences?

If it were merely MY experience? No I wouldn't. But since the topic DOES come up amongst gay folk where we congregate (especially on the web), I find that my observations aren't unique by any stretch of the imagination. It's not an isolated viewpoint, and gay men from all over the planet pretty much report the same observations. Arguably it's easier to take away a 'men are dogs, period' conclusion away from it, but that's just an interpretation of the observations we've collected.

...and I realize that sounds like there's some vast global gay conspiracy out there, which perhaps isn't as far from the truth as one would suspect. :/ Suffice to say - word gets around

 

[Thespian]

I just genuinely wanted to know how you introduce a vertical component into that scale. and yeah, I like to abbreviate when I'm just trying to differentiate who the comment's for.

No, no, it was a valid question. I just know that the term "severity" of sexual tendencies was poorly chosen.

 

[Thedayrecker]

I think the whole "Hetero" and "Homo" thing are just labels made by society. Everybody is "Bi", and only society's need to label (not to mention the whole "sin" thing that sprang up in the last millenia or so) that lead to the creation of homo-, hetero-, and bisexuality.

Just look at the Romans. They'd screw anything that had a hole, and only the man being penetrated (the catamite) was... less.... respected.

However, it is still possible to have a preference.

Well, those are my thoughts on the subject

 

[SirDoom]

I don't believe in bisexuality. Or heterosexuality, homosexuality, or any other specific term, really (except for rare cases, of course)

There are too many variables. Saying "gay, straight, or bi?" is merely giving 3 choices along a single axis, when in reality there are infinitely many points on that axis alone, as well as completely different axes that the conventional scales ignore. It's like saying "are you liberal, conservative, or moderate?". I am none of the above, nor am I even on the same line as those three. On a similar note, that would also be my answer if you asked me the aforementioned question about my sexuality.

By today's definitions, it's almost impossible to find a purely straight or gay person. Mainly because there will always be people of both genders with traits you like, be it a masculine girl, a feminine guy, or what have you. So yeah, everyone is a bit bi, in a very broad sense.

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I'm somewhere between straight and bi-sexual, personally. If a person has traits I find appealing, I find them attractive regardless of gender. However, since the traits I find appealing are generally perceived by the community as feminine or androgynous, many would consider me straight, and that holds true for the most part, as most guys tend to lean far enough into the masculinity spectrum for me to find them not attractive at all.
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[OverlordSteve]

even if by this you mean that you find other people of the same sex attractive and that's that.

That's what bisexuality is. Is a heterosexual guy who's never had a girlfriend not straight?

That's bi-curiosity. Even if someone here identifies as a bisexual, I'm pretty sure he would hesitate to do so in real life.

I don't deny that there are people like that, but assuming everyone who identifies as bisexual is like that is an unfair assumption. I, for one, freely admit to liking both genders both on and off the internet (although I've never had a relationship with a man, which, according to you, makes me not bisexual. That's also not a valid assumption).

 

[Devi Darkside]

I think it's lovely, I mean for me being bisexual just means I have more options when it comes to dating and finding a partner. That's all. Just the way I was born/created by some far off deity.

 

[Yog Sothoth]

Yes, there are many things we don't understand, yes the Kinsey scale was a rather revolutionary but still shortcoming chart. For example, it doesn't include those who have no sexual tendencies whatsoever, or less/more powerful urges. But that still doesn't mean it's "wrong" as you said.

Yes, I agree with you 100%, and retract that statement. The scale had been originally posted as evidence that totally straight people are in the vast minority, and that is what I am disputing. Apologies for my misstatement and any confusion I caused about my position.

I don't recall anywhere I used the Kinsey scale as anything more than a tool to put a 'reference point' to behaviors. As a matter of fact, one of the biggest criticisms of Kinsey's work is that people well, LIED about their sexual history (remember WHEN these studies were done mind you).

I will state again, that simply claiming to be 100% heterosexual does not make it so, any more than claiming to be 100% faithful or 100% honest does. Again, having observed years and years and years of supposedly "straight" men with wives and wedding rings and the whole shebang getting it on with other men when the wives weren't around; The "CLAIM" of 100% heterosexuality is a touch suspect. And people willfully ignore that 'dirty little secret' because it suits their worldview. The reports about men on the 'Down Low' can be eye opening, and I'm trying to think how many of my friends who are supposedly so 'straight' didn't fool around with someone of their own gender on a regular basis at varying points in their life... and that number is less than 1/4 of them.

My apologies to you as well, sir. In attempting to keep up with the blistering pace of this thread, I thought you stated something that you did not. I will redouble my efforts to avoid accusing people of saying things they did not, as I've now been caught out twice.

In short, my position is this: The Kinsey scale, while useful, does not support the claim that fully heterosexual men and women are in the minority.

I'm going to shut up for a while now, before I get myself into any more trouble...