Bi-sexuality.

[Thespian]

I just genuinely wanted to know how you introduce a vertical component into that scale. and yeah, I like to abbreviate when I'm just trying to differentiate who the comment's for.

No, no, it was a valid question. I just know that the term "severity" of sexual tendencies was poorly chosen.

 

[Thedayrecker]

I think the whole "Hetero" and "Homo" thing are just labels made by society. Everybody is "Bi", and only society's need to label (not to mention the whole "sin" thing that sprang up in the last millenia or so) that lead to the creation of homo-, hetero-, and bisexuality.

Just look at the Romans. They'd screw anything that had a hole, and only the man being penetrated (the catamite) was... less.... respected.

However, it is still possible to have a preference.

Well, those are my thoughts on the subject

 

[SirDoom]

I don't believe in bisexuality. Or heterosexuality, homosexuality, or any other specific term, really (except for rare cases, of course)

There are too many variables. Saying "gay, straight, or bi?" is merely giving 3 choices along a single axis, when in reality there are infinitely many points on that axis alone, as well as completely different axes that the conventional scales ignore. It's like saying "are you liberal, conservative, or moderate?". I am none of the above, nor am I even on the same line as those three. On a similar note, that would also be my answer if you asked me the aforementioned question about my sexuality.

By today's definitions, it's almost impossible to find a purely straight or gay person. Mainly because there will always be people of both genders with traits you like, be it a masculine girl, a feminine guy, or what have you. So yeah, everyone is a bit bi, in a very broad sense.

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I'm somewhere between straight and bi-sexual, personally. If a person has traits I find appealing, I find them attractive regardless of gender. However, since the traits I find appealing are generally perceived by the community as feminine or androgynous, many would consider me straight, and that holds true for the most part, as most guys tend to lean far enough into the masculinity spectrum for me to find them not attractive at all.
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[OverlordSteve]

even if by this you mean that you find other people of the same sex attractive and that's that.

That's what bisexuality is. Is a heterosexual guy who's never had a girlfriend not straight?

That's bi-curiosity. Even if someone here identifies as a bisexual, I'm pretty sure he would hesitate to do so in real life.

I don't deny that there are people like that, but assuming everyone who identifies as bisexual is like that is an unfair assumption. I, for one, freely admit to liking both genders both on and off the internet (although I've never had a relationship with a man, which, according to you, makes me not bisexual. That's also not a valid assumption).

 

[Devi Darkside]

I think it's lovely, I mean for me being bisexual just means I have more options when it comes to dating and finding a partner. That's all. Just the way I was born/created by some far off deity.

 

[Yog Sothoth]

Yes, there are many things we don't understand, yes the Kinsey scale was a rather revolutionary but still shortcoming chart. For example, it doesn't include those who have no sexual tendencies whatsoever, or less/more powerful urges. But that still doesn't mean it's "wrong" as you said.

Yes, I agree with you 100%, and retract that statement. The scale had been originally posted as evidence that totally straight people are in the vast minority, and that is what I am disputing. Apologies for my misstatement and any confusion I caused about my position.

I don't recall anywhere I used the Kinsey scale as anything more than a tool to put a 'reference point' to behaviors. As a matter of fact, one of the biggest criticisms of Kinsey's work is that people well, LIED about their sexual history (remember WHEN these studies were done mind you).

I will state again, that simply claiming to be 100% heterosexual does not make it so, any more than claiming to be 100% faithful or 100% honest does. Again, having observed years and years and years of supposedly "straight" men with wives and wedding rings and the whole shebang getting it on with other men when the wives weren't around; The "CLAIM" of 100% heterosexuality is a touch suspect. And people willfully ignore that 'dirty little secret' because it suits their worldview. The reports about men on the 'Down Low' can be eye opening, and I'm trying to think how many of my friends who are supposedly so 'straight' didn't fool around with someone of their own gender on a regular basis at varying points in their life... and that number is less than 1/4 of them.

My apologies to you as well, sir. In attempting to keep up with the blistering pace of this thread, I thought you stated something that you did not. I will redouble my efforts to avoid accusing people of saying things they did not, as I've now been caught out twice.

In short, my position is this: The Kinsey scale, while useful, does not support the claim that fully heterosexual men and women are in the minority.

I'm going to shut up for a while now, before I get myself into any more trouble...

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

I've noticed something.

There have been several jerks who've said some very offensive things about bisexuals. No one has responded to these obvious trolls.

That's kind of the point.

Don't feed the trolls, kids.

Exactly. People are STILL bitching about the one anti-straight comment. It was CLEARLY a troll line (the museum thing) because even the Kinsey scale supports 14% of the population (a fairly large number) being 0s.

Angry straight people - it was a troll line. It was there to piss you off. If you respond, you're only making the troll happy. Ignore it like we're ignoring the occasional homophobe who throws in a troll post telling us how we're are shallow and can't make up our minds.


OT: Being bisexual doesn't make your a slut. Being a slut makes you a slut. Just like being straight doesn't make you a jerk - being a jerk makes you a jerk. As demonstrated, bisexuals can be jerks too. And straight people can be sluts. And bi people can be monogomous - they often are.

As for people claiming to be "bi" because it's trendy - I think that in their minds, "bi" is a fancy way of saying "slutty" - hence the term confusion. Being a slut has been trendy for years.

 

[Pointer]

People that are bisexual are greedy. They want a hot dog and a taco and they want it now.

If you are bi this is not meant as an insult, imma just let you know that the above is true. For example one girl I know dates men for sex and women for cuddling. She gets the best of both worlds without the annoyances of the others. Think about your relationships and you will find the pattern to be true.

 

[Thespian]

Yes, there are many things we don't understand, yes the Kinsey scale was a rather revolutionary but still shortcoming chart. For example, it doesn't include those who have no sexual tendencies whatsoever, or less/more powerful urges. But that still doesn't mean it's "wrong" as you said.

Yes, I agree with you 100%, and retract that statement. The scale had been originally posted as evidence that totally straight people are in the vast minority, and that is what I am disputing. Apologies for my misstatement and any confusion I caused about my position.

Ah, I may have reacted a tad rashly. It's illogical to say that Totally Heterosexual people are in the vast minority, seeing as there are simply more heterosexuals than homosexuals, but people who are complete 0s or complete 6s are rare.
However, something that might be a hang up of yours, that doesn't mean people are often 1s or 2s. Indeed, it is quite accounted for in the scale that one can be a 0.1, or 0 and a half.

 

[Yog Sothoth]

Some people here were inquiring about an expansion on the Kinsey scale. I'll just leave this here for those who may be interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_Sexual_Orientation_Grid

I'm still figuring it out for myself, so can't answer any questions about it yet, sorry.

 

[The Funslinger]

Well since the thread creator no longer say what the thread is about I am unable to reply.

I have no problem with any kind of sexuality, being an atheist I'm open-minded and tolerant =) It's not wrong, greedy or against nature since it occurs among other animals too.

Basically all male giraffes are bisexual, leaning in favor of homosexual. The species reproduces from the roughly 1/5 sexual encounters for the average male giraffe that is with a female.

I don't care what sexuality people are. "Whatever floats your boat." (As long as it's legal.)

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Meh greedy would be tipple layered love triangles where everyone is sleeping around.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

I don't believe in bisexuality. Or heterosexuality, homosexuality, or any other specific term, really (except for rare cases, of course)

There are too many variables. Saying "gay, straight, or bi?" is merely giving 3 choices along a single axis, when in reality there are infinitely many points on that axis alone, as well as completely different axes that the conventional scales ignore. It's like saying "are you liberal, conservative, or moderate?". I am none of the above, nor am I even on the same line as those three. On a similar note, that would also be my answer if you asked me the aforementioned question about my sexuality.

By today's definitions, it's almost impossible to find a purely straight or gay person. Mainly because there will always be people of both genders with traits you like, be it a masculine girl, a feminine guy, or what have you. So yeah, everyone is a bit bi, in a very broad sense.

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I'm somewhere between straight and bi-sexual, personally. If a person has traits I find appealing, I find them attractive regardless of gender. However, since the traits I find appealing are generally perceived by the community as feminine or androgynous, many would consider me straight, and that holds true for the most part, as most guys tend to lean far enough into the masculinity spectrum for me to find them not attractive at all.
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Arg! This - this view annoys me.

Bisexual is NOT AN EXACT POSITION. You can't be "between straight and bi" - that IS bisexual.

You can be bisexual and prefer men or women. Kinsey has a scale for that, as noted above.

I am bisexual. I prefer women. Why? Because I like relationships better with women. I love sex with both men and women, and sometimes I'm really in the mood for a man. I can do relationships with men, but I never feel as much friendship there. I'm better at being "just friends" with guys I guess... and I'm sliding off topic.

Anyway, the term bisexual does not express an exact location on the spectrum. It is not exactly 50% - it isn't even really a "3" on the scale - it's a 2-4 on the scale (actually, the scale lists it as 1-5, but I see 1 and 5 as straight and gay realistically, with possible bi-curious or straight-curious tendencies) see the repeatedly posted picture of the Kinsey scale above).

If I seem a little silly being this annoyed with this, I apologize, but one of the reasons I like the term "bisexual" is because it has lots of wiggle room in it. I can love whomever, without apology. When people try to nail that to "exactly the middle" it annoys me because I'm not exactly in the middle, but I'm close, and I'm proud to be close.

Did that make sense? I hope so.

 

[Trivun]

I don't see why bisexuality has to be commented on and criticized so much. At the end of the day, sexuality is a spectrum, and everyone fits in different places on that spectrum. Imagine that every human being has a percentage value, where 100% means they're totally heterosexual, and 0% means they're totally homosexual. Then on such a scale, I would place myself at around 80-90%. I'm certainly not gay, but neither am I completely straight. However, I certainly don't consider myself bisexual, despite the fact that I'd be willing to have sex with a man even though my overall preference is for women. I don't see why there has to be such a big fuss about it.

Here's another example, too, regarding the original idea in this thread, that bisexual people are 'greedy' for liking more than one gender. I have an ongoing fictional universe ready to start writing a series about, based around several students. Now, one character, a girl, falls in love with a guy, but he's seeing someone else, so she doesn't do anything. Later, she meets another character who is openly lesbian. The two become friends, and gradually become really close. The girl happens to have long had a physical attraction to other girls, but she still loves this one guy, so over time realises and comes to terms with the fact that she's 'bisexual'. Her lesbian friend helps her come to terms with that, and the two start a relationship. The relationship ends later when the first girl decides to split up with the lesbian girl, to pursue a relationship with the (now single) guy she was originally in love with. Bear in mind that she does love the lesbian girl as well, just not as much as she loves the guy, and has always loved him anyway.

In that scenario, is the bisexual girl greedy? Or is she simply following her own heart and making a valid decision based on her feelings? Any comments would be welcome, because this is a prime example of what people don't understand about so-called 'bisexual' people. It's not a matter of being greedy about who you like to have sex with. If you're truly bisexual then you have feelings of love and attraction to both genders, that's all there is to it. I just don't see what's so 'greedy' about that.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

People that are bisexual are greedy. They want a hot dog and a taco and they want it now.

If you are bi this is not meant as an insult, imma just let you know that the above is true. For example one girl I know dates men for sex and women for cuddling. She gets the best of both worlds without the annoyances of the others. Think about your relationships and you will find the pattern to be true.

Um... no, I won't. Because I'm a bisexual, and I love sex with women. I also love sex with men. I don't get up after getting laid and run off to someone else - not only is that silly, it's impolite.

I also have been with the same partner (not telling you which gender) for the past 8 years. Sometime we arrange for a "guest" in the bedroom (my partner is also bi) to mix things up, but 90% of the time I am with my partner and I get everything I want or need.

 

[Geekosaurus]

Right, let's ignore my opinion on the matter 'cause clearly it's not being taken well.

Oh now I feel like I've missed out. Did you go for the classic 'bisexuals are just greedy' but it didn't go down well? I feel ya, brother. But not in that way. Because I'm not bi.

 

[Burningsok]

I can see why people think bi's are greedy, but that label shouldn't be thrown over the entire bi populace. Just like any sex crazed guy or girl, if they end up sleeping with several people in a matter of a month or two then yeah, they are greedy. The person needs be serious about relationships and take some time before jumping into bed with each other. As long as the person takes the thought of sex seriously then I have little or no problem with them.

 

[Yog Sothoth]

Yes, there are many things we don't understand, yes the Kinsey scale was a rather revolutionary but still shortcoming chart. For example, it doesn't include those who have no sexual tendencies whatsoever, or less/more powerful urges. But that still doesn't mean it's "wrong" as you said.

Yes, I agree with you 100%, and retract that statement. The scale had been originally posted as evidence that totally straight people are in the vast minority, and that is what I am disputing. Apologies for my misstatement and any confusion I caused about my position.

Ah, I may have reacted a tad rashly. It's illogical to say that Totally Heterosexual people are in the vast minority, seeing as there are simply more heterosexuals than homosexuals, but people who are complete 0s or complete 6s are rare.
However, something that might be a hang up of yours, that doesn't mean people are often 1s or 2s. Indeed, it is quite accounted for in the scale that one can be a 0.1, or 0 and a half.

No worries, the mistake was mine, and you were respectful in the way that you corrected me, so it's all good.

 

[Pointer]

People that are bisexual are greedy. They want a hot dog and a taco and they want it now.

If you are bi this is not meant as an insult, imma just let you know that the above is true. For example one girl I know dates men for sex and women for cuddling. She gets the best of both worlds without the annoyances of the others. Think about your relationships and you will find the pattern to be true.

Um... no, I won't. Because I'm a bisexual, and I love sex with women. I also love sex with men. I don't get up after getting laid and run off to someone else - not only is that silly, it's impolite.

I also have been with the same partner (not telling you which gender) for the past 8 years. Sometime we arrange for a "guest" in the bedroom (my partner is also bi) to mix things up, but 90% of the time I am with my partner and I get everything I want or need.

See this is where I have to stop you and say that you are in a situation that would not happen for the overwhelming majority of the populace. Even being able to set up a threesome is probably beyond the average man or woman, regardless of their tastes. And the fact that you call that "spice" in your sex life really just undermines the whole "I'm not greedy" thing. I'm not saying you are a bad person or anything, I'm just saying you want and regularly get the best of both worlds. You even visit a third world and get things that few ever do.