Bieber gets schooled on his own Twitter account

[Judgmentalist]

Golly, I thought this was just a funny quip to poke at the fallacy of the famous. Little did I know it was secretly a moral debate in disguise...

 

[Kortney]

I'm with Sober Thal here - I don't really see how this is a schooling. Lots of people say there prayers are with (insert place and/or person here). Obama did it a few days ago.

But because this is Bieber he is "schooled". He most likely is donating a lot of his money to Japan.

"DONATE YOUR MONEY! PRAYER DOES NOTHING!" Is nothing short of obnoxious. If someone said "my thoughts are with the people who are suffering in Japan" nobody would comment, would they? There was a lot of people saying that in the Escapist thread about the Japanese disaster and no one commented with "DONATE MONEY THOUGHTS ARE USELESS!". It is anti-theism.

And what's worse is I bet most the people who go around posting that haven't donated anything.

According to numerous sources - Bieber has donated over a million dollars. It's kind of pathetic, that during a disaster, people are more preoccupied with a child being "schooled!" on a twitter account because of something he said that some person didn't agree with than they are with the actual disaster itself. I don't like Bieber's music - in fact, I would go as far to say I hate Bieber's music. But the kid obviously does care about the tragedy and he is actually dong something about it. I dunno, it just seems like bullying to me.

But wait - it's okay to bully people as long as they make more money than you and are famous for doing something you don't like. Isn't it?

Grow up. This is one aspect of internet culture I can't stand.

 

[Judgmentalist]

5) Bill Gates is the most generous person to have ever lived. (Donation wise)

I just wanted to throw that last point out there for no other reason than Bill gets a lot of unreasonable hate too.

From whom, exactly? The fashion police?

Edit: If Bill Gates was, indeed, pursued by the fashion police, I don't think many of us could say it was "unreasonable".

 

[deadguy]

Chances are Justin Bieber will never even read that, and if he does, it wouldn't phase him. He has millions of dollars and millions of fangirls, what does he care what one guy on twitter thinks?

Plus, people who hate Justin Bieber are far more annoying then Justin Bieber fans. I mean my god, every single music video on youtube is filled with comments saying "X amount of dislikes are Justin Bieber fans!" Nobody is forcing anyone to listen to him and nothing you say is going to piss him off, so just get over it. PLEASE.

 

[Kortney]

Yea that is very true- Justin Beiber just sounded like he really didn't care.. nor motivated to do anything for them. He sounds more like "Oh, the poor place.. hope things get better is all." <-- that was not convincing which I could tell. Though personally to me, prayers to matter- if you can do more then pray then by all means just do that.

Justin can do such a huge favor for Japan and yet he just does a simple post. I agree with the guy who responded to him on one thing: Send the money to help, that would make a big impact of course. Sorry if I seemed a little harsh or anything, but Justin does tick me off sometimes because I feel like he does things in favor of the crowd rather then his heart.

Numerous sources have reported he has donated over a million dollars.

And besides, do you really have any idea if he cares or not? No, you don't. You are basing this off nothing more than a whim. There is no need to just assume he doesn't care - it's a tad disrespectful.

 

[Klitch]

Well thats unnecessary.

Its this kinda thing that makes people think the internet is full of assholes. I'm sure that if someone else like.. um... I dont know. Lets say... John Travolta (I dont know) says they want to send prayers. I wonder how many people would jump on him for that statement.

Yeah it was probably a little more harsh than necessary, but honestly doesn't it annoy you a bit to see some teenage kid with more money than you'll see in your entire life send his "prayers" in support for the relief efforts of such a monumental tragedy? I can honestly say that if I had that punk's money, I'd send every penny of it to Japan right now. As it is, I feel terrible with what little I've been able to donate and I can't understand how people with obscene amounts of wealth don't live in a constant state of shame for what they do with that wealth.

Not really, I'm not sending Japan money, why should I expect someone else to? The world's not the altruist place people like to think it should be. And I would like to question how true your statement is that if you suddenly had the money you would give it away once you saw how nice it was to have it. Its easy to say that now, but when you have it, it gets a lot harder.

Money is money, what people choose to do with it is their business. How about instead of money, you volunteer and go over there, cut out of the middle man, and do the work yourself? I may not care about the Bieber kid, but he's doing far more then he ever could donating money. He's raising more awareness, getting the sympathy of his followers, who will most likely send money or agree. Hell, he could have a deal that the more times it gets retweeted someone will donate money.

Perhaps YOU and other people should be ashamed for telling another how to live their life, and saying that if they dont they're "bad people".

Ok well you've certainly made a lot of assumptions about me for whatever reason. First, I have already donated to the Red Cross (perhaps not as much as I could, and that's why I feel guilty myself). Second, I volunteer several days a week at an organization named Project CURE (they collect donated medical supplies and ship them to over 125 countries around the world). Third, there is no way to prove it to you, but I assure you that if I had millions of dollars at my disposal, more disposable wealth than I could ever imagine actually spending (not to mention the truckloads of cash that would come in on a regular basis from my "music"), I would immediately donate all the money that I didn't need. That's not called being altruistic, that's called being a human being. When you're at the point of financial security where you're debating buying a third or fourth house or saving lives, you'd better make the right freaking choice.

Finally, I never called Bieber a bad person or told him how to spend his money or live his life. All that I said is that I can't imagine how some people can morally justify living in such levels of opulence and stated that if I (or I suspect many like me) found myself in their position, the decision on whether to send money or prayers would be insanely easy. Bieber is doing good in raising awareness for the crisis in Japan, but you're dreaming if you think the people there appreciate his tweets more than his money. If you expect me to feel guilty for valuing human lives more than money, well I'm afraid that you're going to be sorely disappointed.

 

[Judgmentalist]

It looks like the hate-me-nots are growing so thick and fast they're choking out the garden. Nothing like parrying a jibe that, if unwelcome, is zero effort to ignore, and turning it into everything from "anti-theist" (!?) to openly suggesting that if you mention something not in keeping with the generally accepted type of talk about a touchy issue you are therefore against said issue. I was awesomely unaware that posting a silly text joke made me A) a hater of the lowest troll order and B) belittling and/or ignoring the reality of a natural disaster. It's like saying one line and having someone else build a play around it, then blaming you for the content and bad reviews. It's starting to feel like I'm in a 1978 Lincoln and some dickhead tied off my steering wheel and broke the cruise control button. Sheesh.

 

[Judgmentalist]

Also, only cool people can use masterful metaphors in the style of the ancient teachers.

 

[HentMas]

Ever read that old tale in the bible about the pauper and the noble? The noble gave a HUGE amount of money to the church, but it was small
compared to the rest of his wealth. A poor woman witha Hilda came along and donated a coin, one of which she had little of. She gave more to the church than the noble could. So what's 1mil to the fortune Justin gets as eye candy for teens?

first of all, yes, the poor woman donated more in proportion to her wealth, but tell me, how much is enough??? the simple fact that both donated "something" is enough, how much did the other guy donated?? and if he donated, why should we care!?, even more, why should anyone care what other people make of their money? including Bieber, trash him all you want about him being a farce and a facade, and a horrible singer, or that he looks like a woman, but no one haves a moral high ground regardin "donating money"

and what makes people be mad at him?? for making more money they could ever make?? and not donate every cent to watever first "just cause" comes along???

as i see it, that is just being jealous of his wealth, there are many more things one can say to him besides "give all your money away!!" this is just an angry response out of jealousy

i hate it when trolls make me side with an idiot... as i stated before i dont like his music, etc etc etc, but he is a great guy to have donated "something" to japan, as everyone who has donated is, this post is irrelevant, "lol he just got slapped by a random guy in the internet"... i would say no, he was not slapped by him, he still holds a moral advantage.

 

[Scrythe]

Yes, tell the rich kid to increase is tax refund. That's the smart thing to do.

 

[NewYork_Comedian]

Heh, no.

Like others have said before me, he supposedly donated 1 million dollars to the place.

Im not sure exactly how this guy owned Mr. Beiber, just seems like another troll if you ask me.

The sense of superiority of making fun of a 16 year old celebrity has gone stale in my mouth for quite a while now, and im tired of all the "Justin Beiber is gay, it says so on youtube" comments out there.

Just move on because we'll all forget about him in three years anyway.

 

[Amplify]

*snip* - more ramblings.

Nine posts in a barely two page thread.

man, you're all kinds of crazy here.


Somebody got a zinger on Justin Bieber, just comment and move along. No need to white knight for him for the entire thread he's not going to see it.

 

[Judgmentalist]

5) Bill Gates is the most generous person to have ever lived. (Donation wise)

I just wanted to throw that last point out there for no other reason than Bill gets a lot of unreasonable hate too.

From whom, exactly? The fashion police?

Edit: If Bill Gates was, indeed, pursued by the fashion police, I don't think many of us could say it was "unreasonable".

You quoted the wrong guy : P

Well then curse your magical machine and its arcane and mystical language code.

 

[NewYork_Comedian]

amm... if you google around for a bit, he "suposedly" donated 1 million dollars... or more...

i dont really think this is relevant, just another aspect of the hate machine, i dont like that kid, i dont like his songs, i dont like what he represents

but this is just ridiculous, how much money did the guy that made the reply donated??

Ever read that old tale in the bible about the pauper and the noble? The noble gave a HUGE amount of money to the church, but it was small
compared to the rest of his wealth. A poor woman witha Hilda came along and donated a coin, one of which she had little of. She gave more to the church than the noble could. So what's 1mil to the fortune Justin gets as eye candy for teens?

And yet another person who takes the bible too literally.

Lets again point out that the kid donated 1 million dollars. How many bottles of water you think that bought for the stranded and homeless? How many toothbrushes, band aids, and other necessities did Justin buy for them? How many people will be kept safe and alive because of that money? Thats damn, damn, damn impressive and mature of him to donate to Japan, even if its "only" 1 million dollars.

 

[emeraldrafael]

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Being human is having greed as well as altruism. There is no man devoid of greed, and money is the great corrupter. It may not be true of everyone, but its damn true of most.

You did tell him he should. Not directly, but you implied, and said he's a bad person because he's morally justifying not donating what YOU consider enough money. There are reports he donated a million dollars, how is that not enough for efforts from one person?

And again, tweets can equal money. Stephen Colbert (not that long ago) raised money for a charity (I think it was Haiti) through retweets. So lets say JB isnt doing that now, thats fine. But lets say he does. And he tweets He sends his prayers out to Japan, and for everyone who retweets it, the recording company Bieber works for will donate money. I guess his tweets are worthless then.

Its very simple really. You're getting in his face cause he sends out prayers. He decided to cope with it in his own way, and you and others have to tear him apart for it.

 

[Kortney]

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Oh, it's fine! It's not a huge deal. I apologise for being too harsh in talking to you.

I just don't like to see people dehumanise him. They treat him as if he is some whipping boy that everyone can be disrespectful towards and remain "hip". It's as if there is some unwritten rhetoric saying:

"It is not okay to bully people and act like a bastard to people. Unless they are more wealthy than you, are more known than you and do something you don't enjoy".

And it is bullying. The amount of ill-will, violence, accusations and sheer insults that have been directed at him is huge. If this was happening to anyone else it would be a crime and everyone would be up in arms. But make this person unpopular and famous and all of a sudden it's fine.

Everyone (excluding a very small minority of people) deserves a basic amount of fundamental respect.

It doesn't sit well with me. Especially when it is over things like this. The kid makes a comment about Japan and uses religious implications and everyone is up in arms. "DONATE YOUR MONEY INSTEAD!". Well, he has donated his money and a few sites affiliated with him are doubling everyone's donations. I just find it childish and it's gone past the point of being funny.

One thing I don't think the Escapists understand is that saying your prayers are with someone is synonymous with saying your thoughts are with someone. It expresses sympathy, empathy and good will. There is nothing wrong with it.

 

[BonsaiK]

Bieber, having his own cliche fed to him in the short and sweet of Twitter:

Once again I thank The Escapist community. I can always rely on you guys on to keep me updated with everything Justin Beiber-related. Keep up the good work.

 

[Balobo]

4: Prayers do help. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just being a anti-theist douchebag and clearly has not heard the term "moral/emotional support"

It's not "moral/emotional support" because nobody is going to hear it.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

I don't get it.

What is this link supposed to show us?

EDIT: Isn't it another poster who says 'your prayers are worthless?

EDIT 2: So a guy is telling a rich kid to donate money? This is the big deal?

EDIT 3: LAST EDIT, I SWEAR!!!!! Check some more sources, he actually has donated money. As a matter of fact, he is matching all of us common folks donations to red cross. So the more we pay, the more he matches.

Sucks when people we hate for no real reason do things that are kinda decent, eh?

I'm quoting you because I think we may be the only sane people on this thread.

Seriously, are we so desperate to hate Justin Bieber that we jump on everything little thing he says, searching for flaws to exploit?


This is pathetic, guys. Grow up.

 

[headshotcatcher]

amm... if you google around for a bit, he "suposedly" donated 1 million dollars... or more...

i dont really think this is relevant, just another aspect of the hate machine, i dont like that kid, i dont like his songs, i dont like what he represents

but this is just ridiculous, how much money did the guy that made the reply donated??

Exactly, I don't really like Bieber either, but He without sin throw the first rock!

Self-righteous internet people..

4: Prayers do help. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just being a anti-theist douchebag and clearly has not heard the term "moral/emotional support"

It's not "moral/emotional support" because nobody is going to hear it.

Yes it is. He posted 'My prayers go out to you!' on his twitter, people read his twitter because *OHMYGOSH* he has fans in Japan.. And still: praying is thoughtful, whether it works or not, because you've got good intentions doing it.