Big Boobs- why do people complain?

[ZydrateDealer]

Okay brilliant but here's the thing calling women with big boobs genetically abnormal is WRONG! You should be a ashamed of yourself. Women with big boobs get picked on by insecure girls and ogled by dirty pricks all their life and if they don't get a bra that fits them those big boob become painful back aching dead weights.

It's one thing for you to be against the portrayal of women as mere sex objects by the media, it is just wrong to state that having big boobs makes them more ridiculous. While I can empathize (I always thought my penis was too small) I reject the view that genetically these women are abnormal, the entire human race's individuals are genetically different but there is no standard human so we are all genetically abnormal small tits, medium tits, big tits and stonking great tits are all normal.

 

[Rachel317]

I have asked others to list their objections so I could understand their opinions. Your response seems to be "Because idealised men are designed to appeal to men, whereas idealised women are also designed to appeal to men, which is not fair."

If there is a lack of fanservice to women, that is a serious problem. It doesn't mean that fanservice for men is morally wrong, which is why I don't understand the objections to big breasts in games.

Moreover, what do you think an idealised woman that women would want to be like would look like?

I apologise if my tone sounded confrontational there, tha wasn't the intention but probably came across as such.

I don't think ANY fan service is right, these people SHOULD be making game for the love of it the beauty tha they can create, but the purDuit of the all mighty dollar usually stops that.
I think that people complain more because, when women have large breasts in games, they tend to have no personality. I mean, look at that annoying character from X Blades compared to, say, Jade from Beyond Good and Evil. The former is just a shallow shell of a personality, created to be tantalising and desirable (I know, bizarre, right?). By focusing on one thing and neglecting the rest, the developers create these characters to appeal to a certain market nstead of making them appealing to women too.

For reasons I won't go into, this is partly why I adore Bayonetta. She's presented in a sexual way (hells yes), but she has a developed personality which makes her appealing not just to horny games (make or female).

Thing is, someone is ALWAYS going to complain about some part of every character, you can't get away from that. But if these characters had large breasts but an actual personality instead of just wannabe fapping material, I think people would have fewer complaints. Women don't have to have large breasts to be appealing and, likewise, women don't need to have small breasts to be allowed a personality. There's no denying women have 'em (so im not saying to hide them away), but they need to find a better balance.

In the same vain, then, do you think there are any characters (male or female) who truly represent reality? Yes, we play for escapism, but as you say, who looks like Marcus?
Do you get sick of male characters being objectified (in whichever way)?

 

[Sjakie]

as a hetero male i can only say that i do like big boobs. (suprise, suprise)

And probably the animated ones more then those in real life since they dont suffer from that fake 'silicone-look'

since all the action males in games look like pinkish Hulk's anyway (which is also unrealistic imo) let the women look like the desirable sexgodesses. It's pleasing to the eye both ways.

we all wouldn't mind to look a bit more like those.

 

[ntw3001]

Really? The main complaint I hear is that it's patronising. People who aren't fourteen don't like being marketed to as though they are.

 

[88chaz88]

http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Tira
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Xianghua
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Talim
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Amy

If you think those boobs are small then you're probably the reason why people complain about big boobs in games.

 

[CommanderKirov]

Is it nice up there, OP, on your high horse?

Everything you've said, I could quite easily counter, but your question arises from the fact that YOU specifically are not offended by large breasts in video games. You not understanding doesn't make it wrong to be offended, and your 'arguments' fail to dop anything but emphasise that you cannot even understand WHY it could be construed as offensive, regardless or whether you yourself are offended.

Some women will find it offensive, some men will find it offensive, I'm not saying that they're right or wrong, but the whole premise of your thread basically says, "I am right, you are wrong to be offended." Well, no, because people are entitled to be offended by whatever they please. Writing a thread about it isn't going to change anything.

For the record, I'm a female and vocal feminist, but I don't find the breasts to be offensive. I DO think it objectifies women, but it's not just video games (which need to be marketable to a certain demographic - at least until more areas of the population take up gaming as a hobby), the mainstream media is more of a problem than video games. I think it's bad taste on the designers' and producers' part, but that's not going to change anything. As men will be objectified by having rippling chest muscles, women will be objectified by their breasts. The difference is that it tends to be young, immatrue, horny male gamers the companies are trying to appeal to, as they still seem to be under the impression that there are no female gamers.

Idealised males appeal to other males who would want to be like said characters, women with large breasts appeal on a sexual level. So it's not that men aren't necessarily objectified and women are, it's that one is objectified in a 'I want to be him' way, the other in a 'I want to do her way'.

You see the double standards? That's part of the problem.

Wait let me get this straight. You are against women to be objectified on sexual level to men in games.

While having Bayonetta as your role model...

I'm sorry but something in there just does not compute.


(Not that I think that objectifying women in games as sexual symbol is good. I just find your choice of role model and your stance on this matter a tad conflicting)

EDIT: Role MODEL not role MOTHER. Damnit what's wrong with me today.

 

[Reveras]

please view my avatar... then read my response lol

(real and fabulous, no autographs please)

I find it hilarious how offended people get over something as common as boobies.
Women in video games with "unrealstic" traits have never bothered me. ever.
do giant masses of muscle like marcus fenix bother you boys?
no?
exactly.
we just accept them as badass, amusing-looking characters and leave it at that.

They're just boobs, and people need to develop a sense of humour about them.

Can I hug the twins goodbye?--- http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=146

OT: I don't mind them as long as they didn't substract from the character a.k.a making them the priority trait instead of her development as a character and person. With that said, I don't like em too big.

 

[kogane]

How about this: most video games are designed by men for men. This means most mainstream/popular titles have an average of one female character (see: Bulletstorm). And if that one character has ginormous breasts... For a female gamer it makes it even more clear that this game was not made for them.

re #3: it is not the same treatment, because in real life, men and women are not treated equally. Thus, even if men in video games are basically walking talking cabinets (see again: Bulletstorm), as a man you're far less likely to have an uncomfortable moment of "these standards are expected from me in real life as well, and I am confronted with this on a daily basis". As a woman? You are confronted with this ideal on a daily basis, every day of your life, for the rest of your life. Seeing it reflected in video games, something that is supposed to be a relaxing and fun pastime is depressing.

 

[kogane]

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Wait let me get this straight. You are against women to be objectified on sexual level to men in games.

While having Bayonetta as your role model...

I'm sorry but something in there just does not compute.


(Not that I think that objectifying women in games as sexual symbol is good. I just find your choice of role model and your stance on this matter a tad conflicting)

EDIT: Role MODEL not role MOTHER. Damnit what's wrong with me today.

That makes perfect sense, because Bayonetta is always in control of her sexuality. SHE flirts with the camera; the camera isn't zooming in on her ass/boobs when she's having a conversation (for example), without her being aware of it. Basically, she isn't Aya Brea in the latest Squeenix debacle.

 

[EeveeElectro]

It just annoys me how stupid the measurements are.
Massive tits, a teeny waist and huge hips? You won't find many girls like that.
I'd be more insulted if I were a guy, they think I need to see big titties to buy their game? I'm not that shallow >_>

 

[Gigano]

Pretty sure no one would complain about big bosoms if they were part of an otherwise well characterized and nuanced character. Except perhaps weird people who have a problem with sexuality in general or something.

When all you have to a character is the big boobs though, that kind of gets old really fast.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

4. Complaint: I don't have a problem with Big Boobs, but I do have a problem with the sheer percentage of them!

http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Talim
http://soulcalibur.wikia.com/wiki/Amy

In fairness you could of proably picked better characters than those. Talim and Amy are both supposed to be about 14 and 15. I think Talim might be a bit older in SCIV but is definitely 15 in SCII.

OT: Anyway I suppose my only real problem with them are things like Jiggle physics and that thing they had in the PS3 Ninja Gaiden. That was a bit too far other than thing like that(which I supposed to be honest are just for a laugh) I don't mind big boobs. When people end up playing games for boobs and they end just being fan service which to be honest Ivy's bondage outfit really is it gets annoying.

To the people bringing up the SC characters Yes Amy's are big for a 14 year old and Talim's for 15 but I don't think Tira's boobs or Xianghua's are getting bigger since they are 17 and 20 so their boobs are on the grand scale of things small and medium sized.

 

[Arizona Kyle]

Why do people complain about Big Boobs in games? I seriously want to know. I have heard several answers, but the ones I have heard don't make sense. I will list the ones I have heard below, and my responses to them. If you have an opinion that I don't list, please, list it below.


3. Complaint: Women are being treated differently from men!

Response: The exact opposite is true. Men and women are both held to a standard of physical attractiveness far above average in videogames and comic books. Men have their physical gender specific traits magnified, women have their physical gender specific traits magnified. Both are super beautiful/masculine/feminine. Both are being treated exactly the same. The average woman may not have giant boobs, but the average man doesn't look like the Incredible Hulk, Superman, Thor, Ryu/Ken, Marcus Fenix, or many other male videogame characters.

And they should.... If anything most of the men are treated worse because people want to defiantly beautify the women so that it catches the eye

Great post my friend

 

[bartholen_v1legacy]

Because most games these days strive towards realism, or at least to be taken seriously. Giant boobs just take me out of the experience. I haven't played too many examples of these types of games (thank GOD), but I recently played the Dragon Age 2 demo, and I just felt I was taken out of the experience by all of those titties around me. Even after the "giant tits" part had passed. I was supposed to feel like I'm beginning an epic odysseu but I just sat on my computer, listening to average fantasy dialogue delivered by uncanny valley residents.

Putting big boobs into games is the easiest way to make them not taken seriously.

 

[geier]

I don't like big boobs in games because i have the feeling the games is not made for my brain, but for my peni$.

If i wanna do something for my peni$, i don't play videogames, i watch theese films.....you know wich one..

 

[chinangel]

it's largely unnecessary, and boob physics are just..just.../sighs.

Yeah..i won't even touch that. But Boob physics are insulting and exceedingly stupid. So boob physics combined with low-cut tops and gigantic boobs aren't how women want to be portrayed in games. We'd rather have a more accurate portrayal (see also: leliana)

 

[Neuromaster]

I feel cheated and mislead by the examples pictured in this thread.

Surely we can do better?