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Casual Shinji said:
OT: How is it that in Terminator 2 the T-1000 is able to travel back in time, when Kyle Reese specifically stated that only living tissue, or something surrounded by living tissue, can go through the portal? Seeing as the T-1000 is pure metal.
Wouldn't the T-1000 be able to surround itself in still, barely, living tissue?

Skynet doesn't really seem to have any qualms about killing people in horrendous ways, so you just mutilate a few of them so that their living tissues completely surround T-1000 and stay alive for just long enough to go back in time. Once in the past the thing sheds the now corpses that it's wearing and goes along it's merry way.

Most organic things stay alive for a few minutes without blood and oxygen being supplied to it. Just think of it like Lady Gaga's bacon dress, except fresher and more human.
 

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Aaron Sylvester said:
The biggest plot hole in the Harry Potter series is the goddamn Time Turner. Where the hell did that thing go and why wasn't every character (good and evil) seeking to find it and use it? It seemed to be the single-most powerful artifact in the entire story.
Truth. Harry Potter seems to be filled with magical spells and items that would have been huge life savers in other books of the series.

A device so powerful it can stop the evil wizard before he is even born, or prevent countless deaths. Such a device is given to... an underage girl so she can attend to several classes at the same time. Because school attendance is SERIOUS BUSINESS.
 

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TizzytheTormentor said:
In Final Fantasy X
When Yuna sent Seymoar, why did Auron not get sent? Considering he is an unsent spirit, he should have gone as well.
Maybe she focused on him so that Auron wouldn't be affected.
Something that is left unexplained isn't necessarily a plot hole.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
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Casual Shinji said:
You think that's strange?

How is it that the T-Rex paddock suddenly sank like 300 feet after the Rex stood right infront of the fence at the exact same spot before it escaped?
Or how the T-Rex managed to sneak in at the end without anyone hearing, or feeling, it coming.

One minute they are all stood there ... in silence ... being surrounded by Raptors then...

BOO

Ninja T-Rex suddenly appears.
Yeah, but then that was just really fucking awesome! Dramatic effect before logic... to a degree.

Also, how in hell did Samual Jackson's severed arm get propped behind the electrical cables in the maintenance shack? Did the Raptor just store it there for later like a squirrel?

Don't even get me started on that scene in The Lost World with the T-Rex killing all the people on the ship, even the ones in the control room where the T-Rex never should've been able to get without tearing the structure apart, and then getting itself locked in the ship's cargo hold by, yet again, a severed arm.
There was a plot-point that was scrapped before the release of the movie that involved Raptors somehow getting onto the boat and killing everyone. They removed the plot-point but didn't bother shooting new scenes on the crashed boat.
 

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Gizmo1990 said:
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Calibanbutcher said:
Mother of all snips
In terms of the movie you are right Gandalf could not protect anyone from the Nazgul but in the book he is immune to their evil presence due to the fact that he is a demigod in human form. It is also said that the Nazgul's presence causes people to feel fear and despair but when Gandalf is their it is all sunshine and rainbows.
Well, in the book there is also quite a long part about the eagles where (I believe) Gandalf tries to convince them to actually help out but they are reluctant for some reason I can't remember.

It's not the Fellowships decision to use the eagles, it's the eagles decision to help out.
 

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Rawne1980 said:
Jurrasic Park.

The little blonde lass, computer genius. Able to sort out the security systems while being yelled at and having Raptors trying to get in and eat the,

Yet she can't turn off a fucking flash light.
that and the kid couldn't pick up the gun and possibly shoot the raptor in the face
 

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Spoiler alert for a movie which is over a decade old.

In Dante's Peak in the end when they are in the boat and Ruth decides to jump out and drag it the last... like, meters to the dock, why didn't she after that just climb onto the docks instead of walking an unnecesseray distance in the water that had turned into acid?
 

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Well, there?s the fact that the only thing Harry Potter and his friends ever use the Time-Turner for is get to classes on time, save a Hippogriff, and release Harry?s godfather. They could?ve saved all those people being killed, and more importantly, killed Voldemort before he even became a threat. But no, it just came and went in the third book, and then in the subsequent books, everyone ? even Dumbledore ? acted as if it never even existed.

And in the first Superman film, Superman travelling back in time just enough to save Lois Lane, but not stop those missiles or whatever from firing, or save that town of people being killed.

BloatedGuppy said:
Not so much a "plot hole" as an extremely aggravating story element that has irritated me for years. The Sixth Sense, often described as Shyamalan's only "good" movie. Balls to that, I say, it's terrible too.

So you're a little girl.

You have a step mother. Your step mother doesn't like you. You're aware of this.

You begin to grow suspicious that your step mother is slowly poisoning you. "Keeping you sick", in your father's parlance. She's putting it in your food.

Despite your young age, you have the foresight and wherewithal to hide a video camera that catches your step mother in the act of poisoning your food. Utterly damning evidence.

Once in possession of said evidence, you continue eating the poisoned food until you die, at which point your ghost beseeches some tow headed little kid to help you expose your stepmother.

It's cool though. There was a twist ending to distract you from how nonsensical and leaden-paced the film was.
I always thought that she was initially recording her puppet shows (keeping it secret from her family for whatever reason, maybe out of embarrassment or something), but she only learned of her stepmother poisoning her food until after she died, in which case, she gave the evidence to that kid, realizing that it could help her to pass on if her father knew what her stepmother had done to her.

But a plothole in The Sixth Sense that bothered me was how Bruce Willis? character somehow didn?t realize he was dead the entire time. I mean, seriously, he?s been dead for, what, a month? Two months? And he doesn?t think anything of the fact that no-one but a strange boy with psychological issues has spoken to him since then?

How would he even manage his life like that, if he was somehow just floating through day-to-day without ever having to converse with another human being? And, plus, how did he get to talk to this boy in the first place? He?s dead?he can?t just suddenly be assigned this patient, without any parental permission. Did the boy contact him first? Or did he just turn up, assume that he had some problems, and say, ?I?m going to help you?? Is this how he conducts all his meetings with his child patients? Doesn?t that sound a bit dodgy?
 

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How does Batman jump from "The Bat", land in the water safety, and swim to shore in the 5 seconds remaining until the nuke goes off?!

Either THAT somehow happened, or the final scene at the end of the TDKR was just an illusion in Alfred's head.

It has to be one of the other.
 

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SomeLameStuff said:
The only one coming to mind right now is probably when Gordon sends every cop into the sewers in Rises. WHY WOULD HE DO THAT?!
I have a better one, when the GPD chase Bane's gang into the underpass it's daytime, two minutes later when they leave it's night. No merely evening or sunset, blackest black of night.

Physics (and logic) works differently in Gotham apparently...
 

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Calibanbutcher said:
Have you seen the ending of the Lord of the Rings?
Then clearly you have seen Sauron's tower crumbling immediately after the ring was thrown into the flames?
Which, incidentally, happened before the eagles dared cross the border.
Just saying...

And we all saw what good Gandalfs magic was against the Nazgul and their screeching lizards.
The screeching got to him as well and he couldn't protect the soldiers around him.
Then he faced on of the Nazguls head on:
His staff exploded and he was thrown around the place like a ragdoll for a bit before the Nazgul said "screw this Im goin home"

Plus, I never said that the Nazgul were the only problem.
They are the second worst problem I dare say, but let's not forget that Mordor is swarming with orcs and, as far as I know, eagles aren't really known for being arrow proof.
Or rock proof for that matter.
You show me an orc that can fire an arrow or throw a rock hundreds of feet into the air, accurately, and then you have a point.

Here's the thing: the eagles were a significant plot hole in both the films AND the novels.

Don't get me wrong. I thoroughly love the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien. They are among the few master-works of sword-and-sorcery fantasy.

Even so, they are not free of plot-holes and plot contrivances.
 

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Gizmo1990 said:
I went to see The Hobbit last night (Loved it!) and seeing the eagles made me think of the Lord of the Rings plot hole (Why they did not just catch a ride on them to Mordor) but it got me and my friends thinking on what was the biggest/ worst plot hole.
Let's go over this, this isn't a plot hole. Period. Did you forget about the fellbeasts that the Nazgul ride on around the mountain? Or how about that army below the mountain? If eagles got even remotely close to Mordor Sauron would see them coming, and they would be dead before they even got past the black gate, and don't give me that "eagles could take them" no they couldn't, when we see them fight the eagles dive them, take out three, and then three eagles die very quickly with no casualties on the enemies side, not to mention there's more than 9 flying mounts, and I'll bet you anything they outnumber the eagles.

That aside, how exactly was Harry Potter allowed to come back in the Deathly Hallows? Everything I've seen on it says "just because".
 

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Big plot point!

In Battlefield 3, why did the Russians ambush a company of US Marines?

The whole mission was to catch Kaffarov, find out where the missing Atom Bombs were and retrieve them before they could be used to start World War 3.

Elite Russian paratroopers decide the best way to achieve this is... to openly and massively attack US Marines in the middle of a ground war in Iran, thereby triggering World War 3.

Marvellous, clever writing that. The Russians had the drop on the Marines, why didn't they just set up a road block with a big Russian flag, then spend an hour or so arguing with Cole whilst Dimi went and did his job. Gahhhh stupid...
 

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Azurian said:
Oh yeah I have one and it's been bugging the hell out of me when Loki touch Tony's chest with his staff in Avengers why didn't it work? Did his chest piece protect him somehow?
It needs to physically touch the persons flesh, touching metal isn't good enough.
 

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Zenn3k said:
How does Batman jump from "The Bat", land in the water safety, and swim to shore in the 5 seconds remaining until the nuke goes off?!

Either THAT somehow happened, or the final scene at the end of the TDKR was just an illusion in Alfred's head.

It has to be one of the other.
The autopilot was fixed. He exited the Bat before it had even flown over the water.
 

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Vigormortis said:
You show me an orc that can fire an arrow or throw a rock hundreds of feet into the air, accurately, and then you have a point.

Here's the thing: the eagles were a significant plot hole in both the films AND the novels.

Don't get me wrong. I thoroughly love the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien. They are among the few masters works of sword-and-sorcery fantasy.

Even so, they are not free of plot-holes and plot contrivances.
Except there are bows and crowsbows that can fire hundreds of feet into the air, not to mention with all of the pollution in Mordor from making all of those weapons, armour, and siege machines, the eagles wouldn't be able to fly very high, let alone the fact that the air is partially poisonous to them, there are also plenty of machines that could easily have take the eagles down like ballistas.
 

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Warachia said:
not to mention there's more than 9 flying mounts, and I'll bet you anything they outnumber the eagles.
But at the early points of the book, the Nazgul are on horse back, far away from their mounts.

Had the Eagles (and Gandalf) had any sense a sneak attack was completely possible, they come in from such a height at the end they could have attacked Mt Doom from above cloud height (Edit, Eagles of various species have been photographed above 15'000ft, that's higher than arrows, catapults or smog). Even if they were spotted by Mr Magic Eye himself, he can't touch them directly. By the time any kind of response could be directed they'd already be well on the way to the target and have a speed and height advantage.

Mt Doom itself doesn't even have any defences (beyond being Mt Doom in the middle of Mordor), so the only time they need to get inside firing range is also one the only places in whole of Mordor where it's safe to do so.

Getting back could be interesting...
 

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Zenn3k said:
How does Batman jump from "The Bat", land in the water safety, and swim to shore in the 5 seconds remaining until the nuke goes off?!

Either THAT somehow happened, or the final scene at the end of the TDKR was just an illusion in Alfred's head.

It has to be one of the other.
He didn't have to remember? He had fixed the auto-pilot. It's possible he jumped out much earlier.

The film still has a bunch of problems. My two main ones

1. Why was it necessary for Bane to get Gordon's letter? Why did everyone just instantly believe that Gordon had written it?
2. How the fuck did Alfred find out that Bane had worked for the League of Shadows, an organization that has been undetected for centuries?

King Billi said:
OT: Why did Batman go out of his way to save the Joker in order to prove his point about not killing and then kill Harvey Dent anyway?
Well he didn't intend to kill Dent. But.....He did kind of use a shaky loophole with "not-saving" al Ghoul at the end of Betman Begins.

Relish in Chaos said:
But a plothole in The Sixth Sense that bothered me was how Bruce Willis? character somehow didn?t realize he was dead the entire time. I mean, seriously, he?s been dead for, what, a month? Two months? And he doesn?t think anything of the fact that no-one but a strange boy with psychological issues has spoken to him since then?

How would he even manage his life like that, if he was somehow just floating through day-to-day without ever having to converse with another human being? And, plus, how did he get to talk to this boy in the first place? He?s dead?he can?t just suddenly be assigned this patient, without any parental permission. Did the boy contact him first? Or did he just turn up, assume that he had some problems, and say, ?I?m going to help you?? Is this how he conducts all his meetings with his child patients? Doesn?t that sound a bit dodgy?
I agree, that's my main problem with the twist. We see him having sat in the living room with the boy's mother. Are we to believe they both just sat there staring at each other silently until the boy came in?

If the twist was he was dead AND aware of it the whole time, it would make more sense.
 

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fix-the-spade said:
Warachia said:
not to mention there's more than 9 flying mounts, and I'll bet you anything they outnumber the eagles.
But at the early points of the book, the Nazgul are on horse back, far away from their mounts.

Had the Eagles (and Gandalf) had any sense a sneak attack was completely possible, they come in from such a height at the end they could have attacked Mt Doom from above cloud height. Even if they were spotted by Mr Magic Eye himself, he can't touch them directly. By the time any kind of response could be directed they'd already be well on the way to the target and have a speed and height advantage.

Mt Doom itself doesn't even have any defences (beyond being Mt Doom in the middle of Mordor), so the only time they need to get inside firing range is also one the only places in whole of Mordor where it's safe to do so.

Getting back could be interesting...
But the Nazgul were only on horses to disguise themselves, and the Eagles were in an entirely different region from the shire, that's like asking why people in the US don't have a Brazilian Bird, that aside, if the Nazgul aren't on their mounts, then their mounts are guarding the mountain, as we can see in the movies, if you look at mount doom it almost always has more than 9 fellbeasts guarding the outside (minus the final battle in the final movie because I'm guessing they went to confront the eagles or couldn't fit in the mountain itself).

Incidentally, you can't keep flying higher, flying over mount doom is literally impossible because of up-drafts, and the poisonous air would be too thin to breathe, and Mordor isn't small, the eye would have spotted them from a LONG ways away, and had a plan to kill them the instant they entered, it's not like it's just a five minute flight to the mountain.
 

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I can't really reply to anyone specific, but about the Eagles in The Lord of the Rings...

Isn't pride something that would make you very very susceptible to the effects of The One Ring, and I think that it's mentioned at some point that the Eagles are some of the most proud creatures of Middle-Earth. So yeah, there's that, not to mention the Nazgul on their Fellbeasts, all of the motherfucking orcs, and of course the Eye itself.