Biggest plot holes
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The autopilot was fixed. He exited the Bat before it had even flown over the water.Zenn3k said:
Except there are bows and crowsbows that can fire hundreds of feet into the air, not to mention with all of the pollution in Mordor from making all of those weapons, armour, and siege machines, the eagles wouldn't be able to fly very high, let alone the fact that the air is partially poisonous to them, there are also plenty of machines that could easily have take the eagles down like ballistas.Vigormortis said:
But at the early points of the book, the Nazgul are on horse back, far away from their mounts.Warachia said:
Had the Eagles (and Gandalf) had any sense a sneak attack was completely possible, they come in from such a height at the end they could have attacked Mt Doom from above cloud height (Edit, Eagles of various species have been photographed above 15'000ft, that's higher than arrows, catapults or smog). Even if they were spotted by Mr Magic Eye himself, he can't touch them directly. By the time any kind of response could be directed they'd already be well on the way to the target and have a speed and height advantage.
Mt Doom itself doesn't even have any defences (beyond being Mt Doom in the middle of Mordor), so the only time they need to get inside firing range is also one the only places in whole of Mordor where it's safe to do so.
Getting back could be interesting...
He didn't have to remember? He had fixed the auto-pilot. It's possible he jumped out much earlier.Zenn3k said:
The film still has a bunch of problems. My two main ones
1. Why was it necessary for Bane to get Gordon's letter? Why did everyone just instantly believe that Gordon had written it?
2. How the fuck did Alfred find out that Bane had worked for the League of Shadows, an organization that has been undetected for centuries?
Well he didn't intend to kill Dent. But.....He did kind of use a shaky loophole with "not-saving" al Ghoul at the end of Betman Begins.King Billi said:
I agree, that's my main problem with the twist. We see him having sat in the living room with the boy's mother. Are we to believe they both just sat there staring at each other silently until the boy came in?Relish in Chaos said:
If the twist was he was dead AND aware of it the whole time, it would make more sense.
But the Nazgul were only on horses to disguise themselves, and the Eagles were in an entirely different region from the shire, that's like asking why people in the US don't have a Brazilian Bird, that aside, if the Nazgul aren't on their mounts, then their mounts are guarding the mountain, as we can see in the movies, if you look at mount doom it almost always has more than 9 fellbeasts guarding the outside (minus the final battle in the final movie because I'm guessing they went to confront the eagles or couldn't fit in the mountain itself).fix-the-spade said:
Incidentally, you can't keep flying higher, flying over mount doom is literally impossible because of up-drafts, and the poisonous air would be too thin to breathe, and Mordor isn't small, the eye would have spotted them from a LONG ways away, and had a plan to kill them the instant they entered, it's not like it's just a five minute flight to the mountain.
I can't really reply to anyone specific, but about the Eagles in The Lord of the Rings...
Isn't pride something that would make you very very susceptible to the effects of The One Ring, and I think that it's mentioned at some point that the Eagles are some of the most proud creatures of Middle-Earth. So yeah, there's that, not to mention the Nazgul on their Fellbeasts, all of the motherfucking orcs, and of course the Eye itself.
Isn't pride something that would make you very very susceptible to the effects of The One Ring, and I think that it's mentioned at some point that the Eagles are some of the most proud creatures of Middle-Earth. So yeah, there's that, not to mention the Nazgul on their Fellbeasts, all of the motherfucking orcs, and of course the Eye itself.
It's not "just because" it's "because magic!"Warachia said:
Anyway, about the time turners, I'm pretty sure rowling just realized how world breaking they were, and when it appeared readers hadn't forgotten about them (after the 4th book) she wrote up some excuse to have all of them destroyed.
Because there's a terrorist cell living beneath the city that they can't find without as many people down there as possible. I also wouldn't take it as them literally moving every single cop down there.SomeLameStuff said:
Besides, that's not a plot hole. Characters being very stupid? Perhaps. But not a plot hole.
Dent fell but Gordon's son would have had his head blown off. Dent wouldn't have necessarily died, the son would have.King Billi said:
Mmmm....no, not really. In most cases, even with todays best crossbows, the maximum effective "kill range" is roughly 40 yards, give or take.Warachia said:
Firing up into the air, that distance would be drastically shortened, due to gravity. So, if the eagles were to fly above three hundred feet, they'd be unreachable.
As for the pollution, that didn't stop the eagles from flying to the top of mount doom, even as it was erupting. So that point doesn't make much sense.
Ballistas, while providing the range needed, would be hard to move and aim quickly and accurately. Ballistas were used as siege weapons, not fast-acting anti-air weapons.
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Because, at worst, using the eagles to fly to Mount Doom presented the same amount of risk as sending in two small hobbits....on foot and by themselves....into Mordor.TheJJBL said:
At best, it could cut the travel time down to days, even hours, and circumvent almost the entire orc army.
The point is, if the council at Rivendell had wanted to take the best, least-likely-to-fail course of action, they would have sent their best people with the eagles. (though, that would have made for a much less dramatic, less compelling story, so...)
Again, it's a plot-hole that's been present since the first printing of the novels. It doesn't necessarily detract from the story, but it is still a curiosity. People can admit to plot-holes and contrivances in their favorite stories without losing their love of the material.
Even with realizing some of the failings in the plot, The Lord of the Rings trilogy remains one of my favorite stories.
TizzytheTormentor said:
I'm going to assume its that the Summoners must direct their energy towards the unsent, and must "know" that they are dead in the first place, Maester Kinoc and Auron are about during operation Mi'hen too and ain't sent then either, both of whom happen to be dead, but unbeknownst to the player at that point
Plot hole that pissed me off recently? Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, that things like a piece of swiss cheese. The chamber of secrets was built 1000 years ago, yet the entrance is in a girls bathroom on a modern tap, attached to a porcelain sink! They didn't even invent plumbing till 900 years later, and the Basilisk is fucking huge, yet roams around the castle through the pipes and then emerges from the wall, yet noone else EVER saw it. And it doesn't eat any of it's paralysed victims, fucking why? It's a Basilisk it's what they do, para and kill!
Now that makes sense! I wonder why they scrapped it? Not that it would've made the rest of the movie any less stupid though.anthony87 said:
Dumbledore didn't teach Harry any powerful magic because he meant for Voldemort to kill Harry, thus destroying his last horcrux.Gizmo1990 said:
They didn't ride the eagles to Mordor because they would have been gangraped by Nazgul. Sauron's eye would have seen them coming miles away. The only way Sam and Frodo managed to destroy the ring anyway was because of the distraction provided by the armies of men.
First, a tazer would not have worked on Bane as he was on painkillers.HardkorSB said:
Secondly, Batman got into a fist-fight with him because he was being arrogant. I thought that was pretty clear.
Lastly, that's not a plot-hole you're just supposed to use your imagination.
Because he had no choice but to kill Harvey. He wasn't just gonna let Gordon's son die right in front of his eyes. Also because Batman's arrogant and kind of crazy, he just really didn't want the Joker to be right.King Billi said:
Damn, I'm so sick of people not being able to figure this out. It's common sense.TheKasp said:
If Sauron had seen them coming there would have been an entire army waiting for them at Mount Doom. Six eagles would get slaughtered.
