Biggest plothole in gaming?

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Daverson

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The biggest plot hole I've seen was in the ending of the Allied campaign in Red Alert. The guy that stuffed a sock in Stalin's mouth and put a huge rock over him? WHO THE HECK WAS THAT GUY?!
Stavros (one of the allied high commanders). He looks a bit different without the uniform, but you can easily tell from the accent.

What I always wondered, is why Einstein didn't just go back in time and erase Stalin? I mean, the only good thing Stalin did was help defeat Hitler, if you haven't got a Hitler, you don't need a Stalin.
 

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Sands Of Time, eh?
No surprise there. You want plot holes? You go for the game with time traveling:

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Jak & Daxter series
Jak was hidden in time: born in the future, send to the past and brought back to the future again. However, we find out Jak is actually Mar, the founder of Haven City. So, logically, shouldn't he have gone back to the past?

Final Fantasy VIII
The whole 'time compression' thing in and on itself is just a huge hole.

TimeSplitters
They had a few noodlescratchers as well, especially Future Prefect. The whole concept of having a playable TimeSplitter and a playable Corporal Heart. And then there's Cortez who keeps encountering himself, but creates paradoxes in which something is given that begs the question where it came from in the first place. Although it's not really bothersome, since it's all in good fun.

And as far as non-time traveling stories go: the Final Fantasy VII Compendium, the Tekken series and pretty much every Nintendo game ever.
 

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Heavy Rain, I don't need to go into a lot of detail, there are a lot of plot holes, but I still love this game.

[spoiler/]Why is Ethan making Origami in his black outs, and talking about drowning the rain? It makes no sense and there is no explanation[/spoiler]
 

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Alright I'm going to talk about InFamous and it's plot holes.

Plothole 1 - Kessler/Cole
Kessler went back i time to make his former self stronger, yet in his original timeline he developed his powers naturally. In his original timeline his future self would have traveled back in time to help him because time is an instantaneous phenomena. Ergo he would never have developed his powers naturally.

Plothole 2 - The Beast
Assuming that time travel would work how SuckerPunch has portrayed in InFamous, The Beast would have never originally existed. John was a conduit but he wasn't developed at all. The reason he becomes much more powerful is because of the second Ray Sphere Explosion in InFamous 1. However, Kessler created the Ray Sphere when he traveled back in time. Therefore Kessler created The Beast. In Kessler's original timeline his future self didn't travel back in time so The Beast wouldn't have existed.
On top of this Kessler seemed to know John was The Beast as he told him that he "Would do great things." That means that Kessler purposefully didn't destroy John right when he saw him.
Also John wouldn't have been killed by the Ray Sphere because he was a conduit. Take Nix for example.

Plothole 3 - The RFI
The RFI is designed to extract Ray Field Energy. Ray Field Energy is what makes Conduits more powerful. (John was exposed to it by the 2nd Ray Sphere Explosion in InFamous 1, creating The Beast.) By extracting Ray Field Energy from their bodies, Conduits allegedly die. This wouldn't happen. The Conduit Gene is not:

A.) Required for a human to live
B.) Destroyed when Ray Field Energy is extracted from it.

Think of the Conduit Gene as a light bulb with Ray Field Energy as its battery. When a light bulb loses power, does it explode? The answer is no. It simply goes out. The Conduit Gene is the same way, where without Ray Field Energy, the user has no powers.
SUMMARY OF PLOTHOLE 3: The Conduits would just be stripped of their powers, not killed. Then they would have to gather more Ray Field Energy to gain their powers back.

Plothole 4 - The Plague.
In InFamous 2, they go into extensive detail on "The Plague". They say that The Ray Field Energy channeled by Ray Sphere Usage cause the radiation poisoning. However, The Ray Sphere's purpose is to channel neuroelectric energy into one person. (The High Concentration creates Ray Field Energy) So therefore, all of the Ray Field Energy would have been channeled into the user of The Ray Sphere. (Cole or Bertrand and partly Nix and John)so that means that there wouldn't be any Radiation to poison people because it would be inside of the Conduits involved.

Plothole 5 - The Second Ray Sphere Explosion
Cole follows The First Sons out to a dock where they keep The Ray Sphere. He manages to set it off regardless of Karma choices. Everyone but Cole is killed. This shouldn't have happened. John was a conduit, and The First Sons is a group that only accepts Conduits into its Ranks, meaning all of The First Sons are Conduits. Therefore everyone involved in The Second Ray Sphere Explosion shouldn't have been effected whatsoever. Cole would have nobody to drain Neuroelectric Energy from, and John and The First Sons would have not been harmed by The Ray Sphere.

Long Story Short: INFAMOUS 2 SUX
 

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For Kingdom Hearts Plotholes, Play Birth By Sleep. It fixes all plotholes in the series. Kingdom hearts has no plotholes anymore.
 

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Sonic Adventure 2 in the last story... spoilers for those who haven't played it and intend to.

A recording of Gerald's last words before his execution are played to the world from the ARK after Eggman places the Chaos Emeralds in the Eclipse Cannon... but how did he set it up so that the video would play and let people know they were doomed if he was... you know... killed immediately after?
 

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Sonic Adventure 2 in the last story... spoilers for those who haven't played it and intend to.

A recording of Gerald's last words before his execution are played to the world from the ARK after Eggman places the Chaos Emeralds in the Eclipse Cannon... but how did he set it up so that the video would play and let people know they were doomed if he was... you know... killed immediately after?
Well, Gerald was a genius.

Perhaps he had a computer program record the entire interview just before his execution, then beam the recording back to the ARK and automatically set it to play when somebody fully activated the Eclipse Cannon years later.

That's my theory, anyway.
 

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zombiejoe said:
Heavy Rain, I don't need to go into a lot of detail, there are a lot of plot holes, but I still love this game.

[spoiler/]Why is Ethan making Origami in his black outs, and talking about drowning the rain? It makes no sense and there is no explanation[/spoiler]
I can explain this:

Heavy Rain was originally going to have a few supernatural elements in it, Ehtan was going to be Physcic and his 'Blackouts' would have been a Harry-Potter-style mental backlash stemming from a Physcic link between him and the Origami Killer that was formed due to him being there when Jason was hit by a car. The area he wakes up in after the Blackouts is where the Killer's brother drowned in the rain.
 

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Z of the Na said:
ScrabbitRabbit said:
Sonic Adventure 2 in the last story... spoilers for those who haven't played it and intend to.

A recording of Gerald's last words before his execution are played to the world from the ARK after Eggman places the Chaos Emeralds in the Eclipse Cannon... but how did he set it up so that the video would play and let people know they were doomed if he was... you know... killed immediately after?
Well, Gerald was a genius.

Perhaps he had a computer program record the entire interview just before his execution, then beam the recording back to the ARK and automatically set it to play when somebody fully activated the Eclipse Cannon years later.

That's my theory, anyway.
Guys, guys. Stop and think about this... we're trying to analyze a Sonic game's story. I think I found our problem.

And again, what's with all the necromancy?
 

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At the end of Saints Row, the protagonist was aboard Alderman Richard Hughes' luxury yacht when a bomb exploded on the yacht leaving the fates of Hughes and the protagonist unknown. In Saints Row 2, it is revealed that Hughes was killed and the protagonist was put into a coma. Five years pass and the protagonist awakes in a prison hospital ward and received extensive plastic surgery. The protagonist meets inmate Carlos Mendoza and the pair escape the island and return to the protagonist's home city Stilwater, rebuilt by the Ultor Corporation after a devastating earthquake that left parts of the city below sea-level. The protagonist then rescues his/her friend Johnny Gat from a courtroom proceeding, enlists the help of Carlos, Shaundi (a former college student and bohemian), and Pierce Washington (the gang's new strategist), and begins to rebuild the divided Third Street Saints gang.[23] The protagonist, now referred to as the Boss for most of the game, leads the Saints on a quest to retake the city. The main storyline is divided into three separate story mission arcs, completable at any time and in any order.

The Boss and Carlos meet with Maero, leader of the Brotherhood of Stilwater in the Underground Caverns. However, police discover the meeting and the three are forced to shoot their way to safety. Despite working together aganist the police, the Boss becomes enraged at Maero's offer of a 20/80 split of profits between the Saints and the Brotherhood. This sparks a feud between the Saints and the Brotherhood, and the Boss shakes Brotherhood mechanic Donnie, a former Westside Roller (a rival gang from the first Saints Row) to rig the gang's truck and also burns Maero's face by poisoning his tattoo ink with radioactive waste. The Brotherhood retaliate by kidnapping and brutally torturing Carlos by dragging him behind a truck, forcing the Boss to end his suffering with a mercy kill. The Boss exacts revenge by kidnapping Maero's girlfriend Jessica, and arranges for her to be inadvertently killed by Maero in a monster truck rally. After interrogating and crippling Maero's tattoo artist Matt at a concert, the Boss begins to uncover information about the large weapons shipment. Maero angrily confronts Dane Vogel (voice of Jay Mohr), CEO of the Ultor Corporation, demanding the release of arrested Brotherhood members with Chief Of Police Troy Bradshaw. Although freed, the prisoners' buses are intercepted and destroyed by the Saints. Maero kicks in the door to Vogel's office intending to threaten him again, but finds himself confronted by a heavily armed team of Ultor security guards. Vogel dismisses Maero, calmly informing him that the weapons shipment the Brotherhood was expecting will be seized by Ultor as "payment" for Vogel's arranging the release of the imprisoned Brotherhood members. The Boss intercepts the shipment and launches an attack on the crippled Brotherhood's hideout. After the Saints fight their way through Brotherhood gang members, Maero ambushes the Boss with a minigun on the roof of a warehouse. After running out of ammunition, Maero hurls his minigun at the Boss and the two fight hand to hand, eventually crashing through to the ground floor of the warehouse. Just as the Protagonist is about to finish Maero, Matt sacrifices himself by forcing the Boss off Maero. The Boss quickly kills Matt, but Maero manages a narrow escape from the Saints when Donnie arrives in his truck. Maero then challenges the Boss to a final face-off at the arena with him and his men in trucks, but loses the fight and is shot in the head by the Boss, with his last words being "Go to hell."

Shaundi begins to gather information on the Haitian Sons of Samedi gang, and learns of their illegal drug trade. The Saints then target various assets in the production of the 'Loa Dust' drug. Gang leaders, the General and Mr. Sunshine, order their lieutenant Veteran Child to kill his former girlfriend Shaundi, who had passed the information. Although he succeeds in kidnapping her, the Boss kills him and saves her. The General then kidnaps and drugs the Boss and orders an attack on the Saints, but the Boss escapes and the Saints are able to hold off the attack. Through tips from an addict, the Boss uncovers Mr. Sunshine's hiding place, a meat-packing plant, and the Boss kills him there, decapitating him and tossing his head along with an assembly line. The Saints then co-ordinate an attack on the General's convoy and kill him in the mall as he flees.

As Johnny and Pierce assist the Boss to take down the Japanese Ronin gang, they decide to rob a Ronin owned casino. However, they end up stealing money from Ultor, who are under Ronin protection, and Vogel demands that action be taken against the Saints. Leader Shogo Akuji orders an attack on Johnny and his girlfriend, retired R&B singer Aisha, the result is Aisha sacrificing her own life to warn Gat of an ambush, and Ronin second-in-command Jyunichi stabbing Johnny Gat, hospitalizing him. Shogo's father and international Ronin leader Kazuo Akuji arrives in Stilwater and takes over, demoting Shogo to lieutenant. After Jyunichi is killed in a sword fight face-off with the boss and the Ronin's hotel is hit, Kazuo disowns his son and shows regret at giving him power over the Ronin. At Aisha's funeral, Shogo attacks Johnny and the Boss but is buried alive after being captured. Kazuo threatens the Boss' longtime friend and leader of the Triads gang, Mr. Wong and is killed by the Boss during a Chinese New Year's celebration, being burned to death.

In the aftermath, Dane Vogel uses the Saints' overthrow of the city to stage a coup d'état within Ultor, tricking the Boss into killing the rest of the board. However, when Vogel attempts to take control of Ultor, the Saints stage an assassination attempt at a press conference. After fleeing to safety in the Philips Building, Vogel is met face-to-face by the Boss, who shoots him in the mouth, killing him instantly, crippling the Ultor Corporation and ensuring the city under the Saints' control. Wiretap conversations reveal that one of the surviving members of the old Saints, Dexter Jackson took up a job offer with Ultor, and that former Saints' leader Julius Little planted the bomb from the original game's climax hoping to kill the Boss and let the Saints dissolve, through threats from undercover cop Troy Bradshaw. A mission becomes available and the Boss contacts Dex, who tells the Boss to meet him at the old Saints' church. Upon arrival, the Boss finds Julius, who was also told by Dex to meet there. The two are ambushed by the Ultor Masako Team and are forced to flee. Julius and the Boss drive around the city while being chased by Masako APCs, until they crash in the Amphitheater. The Boss then shoots Julius in the chest. Shocked, Julius explains that the Saints never solved a thing, having become the same as the gangs they had been fighting. The Boss then takes revenge by shooting Julius in the head.

Ultor microbiologist Tera Patrick meets with the Boss at the Saints Hideout and reveals that she knows some of the Ultor Corporation's dark secrets. The Protagonist, not wanting to pass the chance of exposing Ultor, agrees to help Tera out. The Boss digs up the bodies of discarded test subjects (The discarded bodies look like the zombies from the Saints Row 2 diversion Zombie Uprising) from a nanorobotics experiment as evidence. However, the press refuses to run the story and so the two hijack a truck containing chemicals that Ultor used in the experiments. News reporter Jane Valderamma is met by the Boss and says that she wants an interview with Tera if she is going to run the story. Tera, who fears being on live TV, begrudgingly agrees and when the microbiologist is interviewed, Jane deliberately turns the interview on Tera after she tells that she was the one who conducted the experiments. After the interview, Tera promises Jane that she will find a way to expose Ultor, even without her.

CEO of the Ultor Corporation and successor to Dane Vogel, Eric Gryphon requests protection from the 3rd Street Saints in exchange for information on Dexter Jackson, an original lieutenant for the Saints (See Saint's Row) who now works as the Ultor Corporation's head of security. After meeting with the Boss at the Saints Hideout, Eric meets with Dex saying that he is unafraid of Dex's attempts to kill him. Eric reveals to the Boss that Dex has been selling nuclear waste on the black market and is using the Ultor Masako Team to cover up the evidence. The Boss then steals the waste from the nuclear power plant for himself, crippling Dex's finances. Dex abandons his position in Stilwater and requests a job transfer, fleeing to another city. The Boss learns of this through Eric, who in turn helps the Boss eliminate key associates of Dex during the Ultor Family Picnic. The Boss then reveals to Eric that he will find out which city Dex fled to and kill him, a hint about a possible sequel.






And then Saints Row 3 happened
 

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icame said:
I just started playing POP sands of time (Older one..) and you get to a point very early on where a guy releases the sands of time, and it got me thinking, why doesn't the prince just use the dagger to reverse time until before that? It was only a minute ago...

That got me thinking about plot holes in other games, and I wanted to know the escapists opinion on what the most glaring plot hole is in any game.
There's a theory that a time machine cannot go back to a time before it existed, and the dagger was not a time machine until the sands were released. I haven't played 2, so I don't know if my friend's right in saying 2 happens somehow before 1 and whether or not this kills my theory.
EDIT: I KNOW THE REAL REASON!!!

The dagger is empty when you get it. You can't go back any farther than you have the amount of sand to do so. And to go that far back, you need more sand than the dagger can hold and than you can ever find in any one place.
ok, there have been a few responses to the OP saying that he didn't know about the time-travel ability at that point, but he actually di, within about 10seconds of picking up the dagger the roof above him collapses and he uses the dagger to time-travel and dodge the falling debris (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaL9VX280d4 jump to 7:30 for the scene)