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ERaptor said:
Ultratwinkie said:
ERaptor said:
ninjaRiv said:
Holy shit... people are saying that it's GOOD a guy will never be able to walk again? Sure, he behaved like a dick... But it's a grand thing he's NEVER GOING TO WALK AGAIN. What? Punish him for being an ass, yeah. Put him behind bars, whatever. But he will never walk again. HE WILL NEVER WALK AGAIN. I do not understand how that is something to be celebrated.

Let's not forget that the details are shaky as fuck. I couldn't see any SUV attacking until the end of the video. Also, this was a very large crowd, not all of them were total dicks, I am assuming. this was a thing that went to far. Some asshole's idea of a joke. And then one asshole got run over and crippled for life. I hate to repeat myself but I think an asshole being crippled for life is a fuck sight worse than a guy being scared.

Man... Celebrating a guy getting crippled. If it turns out he's a murdering rapist, sure. Maybe. But... As far as we know, this is some guy who acts like a dick. Don't celebrate that.
I'd rather say he provoked it. If you play around with fire, you might get burned. And if you drive a bike like a retard you might cause an accident. Even if he himself didnt do aynthing (which i highly doubt), he hung around with those idiots, and look at the moves they were pulling even before going apesh*t on the SUV. I wont say he deserves to get crippled, but i sure as hell wont feel sorry for him either. Karma's a bit*h.
He didn't. The guys that fought are in court today. The paralyzed guy did nothing.

"hanging around with idiots" can be another line of logic you can apply to anyone. None of it defensible.

"Oh, he got shot in the face by a stray bullet? Its his fault because he shouldn't have been there."

I can argue the father was a horrible parent that he hung around bikers and should have his parental rights revoked and have his kids put into a better foster home that doesn't hang around bikers.

The worse the crippled guy ever did was have traffic violations on his record. If traffic violations warrant paralyzation, then why don't thieves get their hands cut off and domestic abusers get their balls cut off? And anyone who doesn't pay taxes automatically gets the death penalty?

Oh that's right, because that is some saudi arabia level "justice" that is complete overkill.
Again, i did not say he deserved it. Im saying it's his own damn fault. If the people you drive around with are pulling such stunts, what do you expect? It's actually amazing that there didnt happen anything beforehand.

To pick up your bullet example, no if you are going on in your daily life and get shot by a stray bullet, its not your fault. But if you hang around with people waving guns like its a game, you should've seen it coming.
I'm currently trying to track the exacts down, but not having access to a Law Library makes things difficult


Skip to about 6:25 for the short form. Basically says that if you are willingly part of a malicious or violent group or mob, every member of that group shares equally in culpability for whatever may happen. If the person your group is encroaching upon decides to fire a gun at someone in the front of your group, misses the target and ends up striking somebody at the rear of the group then that is legally sound. That person willing assumed the risks and responsibilities of being a part of that group and waived any special protections when they did so.

Now this case isn't as clear cut and perfect, but it certainly fits the mold. The bikers clearly demonstrated an extreme capacity for violence and disregard for the safety of others. A motor vehicle can be defined as a lethal weapon within U.S. law and understanding the dangerous situation he was presented with, the driver of the SUV used his available resources to make an opening and extricate himself the best he could from that situation. It doesn't matter if you weren't the one assaulting the man, you share the responsibility and risks of the group. If the mob had pulled the man from the vehicle and beat him so viciously that he later died from his wounds in the hospital, almost every member of that mob would have been just about as legally responsible for the man's death as those who actually dealt the fatal blows.

Take all of this in stride of course as I am most certainly not a certified legal professional.
 

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Wow. What a pack of arseholes.

I don't know what I would have done in that situation, but I spent most of that video wishing the driver had started using that vehicle like the fearsome weapon it is. I'd like to think that's what I'd do once the situation got serious, although of course it's oh so very easy to say that from the safety of my keyboard.

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ninjaRiv said:
Holy shit... people are saying that it's GOOD a guy will never be able to walk again? Sure, he behaved like a dick... But it's a grand thing he's NEVER GOING TO WALK AGAIN. What? Punish him for being an ass, yeah. Put him behind bars, whatever. But he will never walk again. HE WILL NEVER WALK AGAIN. I do not understand how that is something to be celebrated.

Let's not forget that the details are shaky as fuck. I couldn't see any SUV attacking until the end of the video. Also, this was a very large crowd, not all of them were total dicks, I am assuming. this was a thing that went to far. Some asshole's idea of a joke. And then one asshole got run over and crippled for life. I hate to repeat myself but I think an asshole being crippled for life is a fuck sight worse than a guy being scared.

Man... Celebrating a guy getting crippled. If it turns out he's a murdering rapist, sure. Maybe. But... As far as we know, this is some guy who acts like a dick. Don't celebrate that.
Dude, you watch the video?

Biker cuts the car off in traffic, then intentionally braked in front of it (while looking over his shoulder at the car, totally fucking intentional) and got a bump, cause y'know, fucking physics.

They then surround the car. The guy driving the car has his wife and kid with him and he's surrounded by dozens of aggressive bikers. He takes off, ramming through them (this might be where the injuries were inflicted, I'm not sure EDIT: Yeah, that was it. YOu can see a guy lying on the road afterwards). They chase him along the road and stop him. One of them dismounts and tries to get into the car. The car accelerates through them again. They continue to chase him, until he stops in traffic. They then surround the car and start smashing the windows. The camera cuts out there. Apparently they then dragged him from the car, beat him and slashed him.

And we're supposed to feel sorry for poor little bubba the biker not being able to go for his sunday stroll any more?

HA!

I'm aware this probably makes me sounds like an obnoxious keyboard warrior, but I have not the slightest scrap of pity for the guy.

"He should have stopped"? Yeah, fuck that. That biker should be on his filthy knees thanking the driver for not reversing back over his scummy self for good measure. You surround and threaten an animal protecting its offspring and shit's going to get ugly. Extra ugly if that animal is operating a heavy vehicle at the time. You put your bullying biker arse between that animal and its escape route and you deserve whatever four-wheeled karma comes your way.
 

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I suppose it is simple really, the bike that bumped the SUV initially shouldn't have done so, the mob of bikes shouldn't have stopped the SUV, the mob shouldn't have attempted to damage the SUV, the SUV shouldn't have ran over the bikers and the bikers shouldn't have chased the SUV.

It is really simple! Why doesn't anyone understand? None of this should have happened, so only a few conclusions can be reached. Unfortunately, one such conclusion is that this group of bikers were out for blood, considering their intent to chase this SUV down.

I live in the UK, so I have no right to take the lives of such individuals using any type of weapon, but since self defence laws in America are awesomely bias, I admit that I was on the edge of my chair, watching to see if the SUV would go all killing spree on the mob.

Only in America, no doubt we can see why GTA is set in cities that are similar.

As such, I am disappointed. I wanted to see blood and guts all over the highway with mangled bikes strewn all over the place. There are very few other places where this sort of thing would happen and it would be very appropriate for something like that to happen on American soil.
 

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I would side with Trevor in this situation, damn methhead bikers!

More OT: I think this just shows that a group of bikers can do whatever they want on the road, including attack and seriously injure a man. Though I heard this started by the driver of the SUV cutting one of the bikers spines in half when he ran over him, the man is going to be in a coma for the rest of his life, if not dead.
 

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Wow. What a pack of arseholes.

I don't know what I would have done in that situation, but I spent most of that video wishing the driver had started using that vehicle like the fearsome weapon it is. I'd like to think that's what I'd do once the situation got serious, although of course it's oh so very easy to say that from the safety of my keyboard.

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Dude, you watch the video?

Biker cuts the car off in traffic, then intentionally braked in front of it (while looking over his shoulder at the car, totally fucking intentional) and got a bump, cause y'know, fucking physics.

They then surround the car. The guy driving the car has his wife and kid with him and he's surrounded by dozens of aggressive bikers. He takes off, ramming through them (this might be where the injuries were inflicted, I'm not sure EDIT: Yeah, that was it. YOu can see a guy lying on the road afterwards). They chase him along the road and stop him. One of them dismounts and tries to get into the car. The car accelerates through them again. They continue to chase him, until he stops in traffic. They then surround the car and start smashing the windows. The camera cuts out there. Apparently they then dragged him from the car, beat him and slashed him.

And we're supposed to feel sorry for poor little bubba the biker not being able to go for his sunday stroll any more?

HA!

I'm aware this probably makes me sounds like an obnoxious keyboard warrior, but I have not the slightest scrap of pity for the guy.

"He should have stopped"? Yeah, fuck that. That biker should be on his filthy knees thanking the driver for not reversing back over his scummy self for good measure. You surround and threaten an animal protecting its offspring and shit's going to get ugly. Extra ugly if that animal is operating a heavy vehicle at the time. You put your bullying biker arse between that animal and its escape route and you deserve whatever four-wheeled karma comes your way.
I'm not saying anyone should feel sorry for him. I just don't see why we need to celebrate this. This is an incredibly messy situation where nobody is the good guy. Although, yeah, the bikers here are the bad guys it's still not something we should be celebrating.

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here's the thing: The guy that got crippled MIGHT NOT BE the one that attacked the SUV in the first place to boot. Details are scarce.

If we want to demonize people we never met, lets say the father was a neo Nazi driving his son to a neo Nazi compound to indoctrinate him and antagonized a black biker on the way. Or taking his son some somewhere to molest him again. Or driving fast because he can't wait to beat his wife at his house again. Or beat both his son and wife while raping both. Or he might be on his way to abandon his kid with his wife and run out on her like a deadbeat.

unnecessary demonization with shaky details goes both ways. If we went with typical stereotypes the bikers are harley riding gang members vs a dead beat dad that beats his wife and rapes his son. After all, the current reputation of fathers in modern society is really bad.

With single mother households being the new normal, someone can easily use that very same logic of blaming someone with a stereotype by saying there are no good fathers anymore.

Hardly an argument to disregard someone's injury. "he most likely did something wrong to deserve it" is the same crap we use to blame rape and molestation victims for christ sake. No details, no stance. Its a group of 50 people. Using these stereotypes to blame people is bad form, because it goes both ways.
Which is what I'm saying, more or less. We don't know exactl;y what happened but what we do know is a guy is now crippled. It just seems crazy to celebrate that, imo.

ERaptor said:
burned. And if you drive a bike like a retard you might cause an accident. Even if he himself didnt do aynthing (which i highly doubt), he hung around with those idiots, and look at the moves they were pulling even before going apesh*t on the SUV. I wont say he deserves to get crippled, but i sure as hell wont feel sorry for him either. Karma's a bit*h.
Yeah, I see your point and I certainly don't feel sorry for him. But I do think it's harsh he was crippled. And it's especially stupid that people here are saying it's a great thing.

Desert Punk said:
You should watch the other videos of the shit they were doing earlier that day, driving on sidewalks, driving into the oncoming lane of traffic, doing massive u turns with everyone.

The people who didnt want to be involved with assholes and their antics had more than enough time to leave the party, so if they chose to stick with it, and their being retards caught up with them, oh well.
I know they deserved to be punished, that much is clear. they're assholes and I saw the video. Even if some of them were just there because they wanted a good time but didn't approve of the bad stuff, they were still there enjoying it. They could have left, yeah.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Without really knowing all the facts, it's hard to take sides.

However, as someone who watches 98% of all cyclists cheerfully ignore all road rules and put everyone else in peril whilst doing so, I'm perfectly willing to assume it's the cyclists' fault.

EDIT: Oh wait these are BIKERS. I assumed it was bike riding cyclists.

Oh well, I still blame cyclists. No doubt there were a couple nearby that could've prevented the whole thing.
Yeah, the cyclists probably caused it. It's part of their plan to make motorists eliminate themselves, Last Man Standing style.
 

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He didn't. The guys that fought are in court today. The paralyzed guy did nothing.

"hanging around with idiots" can be another line of logic you can apply to anyone. None of it defensible.

"Oh, he got shot in the face by a stray bullet? Its his fault because he shouldn't have been there."

I can argue the father was a horrible parent that he hung around bikers and should have his parental rights revoked and have his kids put into a better foster home that doesn't hang around bikers.

The worse the crippled guy ever did was have traffic violations on his record. If traffic violations warrant paralyzation, then why don't thieves get their hands cut off and domestic abusers get their balls cut off? And anyone who doesn't pay taxes automatically gets the death penalty?

Oh that's right, because that is some saudi arabia level "justice" that is complete overkill.
The paralyzed guy did nothing? Was he just minding his own business when he was standing in front of that particular Range Rover?
 

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He wasn't directly in front of the range rover, he was in its general direction when the driver gunned it. It went through more than one person. Its a group of 50, the ones that that were touching the range rover was on the side, not front.

The one that brake checked the range rover was in court today. Standing no less.

The paralyzed man was doing nothing, and the only thing he has on his record is driving violations.
You can see him walk up to the Range Rover in the video. He's the guy on the green bike. He wasn't just sitting a few yards away, waiting to get moving again. He got off his bike to help his friend, who was assaulting a scared family.
 

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Deshara said:
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This really makes me angry, those bikers are the sort of fucks that give all bikers a bad name and risk lives due to the ill-will they cause between bikers and drivers.

I hope they all have their bikes wrecked.
Just because a person does a thing doesn't mean it's the defining quality of their personality. I always hated that mentality-- like buying a motorcycle adjusts who you are as a person to fit the average traits of everybody who rides motorcycles. I think it's the same sort of mentality tha causes media outlets to shout the same sort of misinformed crap about vidja gurms making children into ball-slashing murderrapists cause some kid with emotional problems somewhere shot his parents after they took away CoD. You'd think gamers would be wiser about making sweeping demographical judgements, but whatever
Except I never made any sweeping generalization about all bikers, just the opposite, in fact, I was bemoaning that assholes like the ones in the video give other bikers a bad name, much the same as I bemoan the wankers screaming slurs down a microphone in a videogame giving us gamers a bad name.

In fact, my own father and younger sister are bikers and I've known plenty of decent bikers in my life to know they aren't all assholes like the ones in the videos (thus my anger at the ones in the video spreading a negative image of bikers to the general public).

But whatever.

I wasn't accusing you of making any generalisations, you just brought up something that always bugged me and I wanted to talk about it a bit.
Tea later?
Ah, the final bit about gamers made me think you were referring to me, I'm sure you can see why I might make that mistake.

Ah well, no harm done.
 

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Madgamer13 said:
I suppose it is simple really, the bike that bumped the SUV initially shouldn't have done so, the mob of bikes shouldn't have stopped the SUV, the mob shouldn't have attempted to damage the SUV, the SUV shouldn't have ran over the bikers and the bikers shouldn't have chased the SUV.

It is really simple! Why doesn't anyone understand? None of this should have happened, so only a few conclusions can be reached. Unfortunately, one such conclusion is that this group of bikers were out for blood, considering their intent to chase this SUV down.

I live in the UK, so I have no right to take the lives of such individuals using any type of weapon, but since self defence laws in America are awesomely bias, I admit that I was on the edge of my chair, watching to see if the SUV would go all killing spree on the mob.

Only in America, no doubt we can see why GTA is set in cities that are similar.

As such, I am disappointed. I wanted to see blood and guts all over the highway with mangled bikes strewn all over the place. There are very few other places where this sort of thing would happen and it would be very appropriate for something like that to happen on American soil.

sorry if i am wrong but i think you brits have some laws on the books for self defense dont you...i didnt spend much time reading that wiki

true you do have to get creative with your 'weapons'...no officer i plan on using this ball-peen hammer on things that need balling and peening
 

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luckshot said:
Madgamer13 said:
I suppose it is simple really, the bike that bumped the SUV initially shouldn't have done so, the mob of bikes shouldn't have stopped the SUV, the mob shouldn't have attempted to damage the SUV, the SUV shouldn't have ran over the bikers and the bikers shouldn't have chased the SUV.

It is really simple! Why doesn't anyone understand? None of this should have happened, so only a few conclusions can be reached. Unfortunately, one such conclusion is that this group of bikers were out for blood, considering their intent to chase this SUV down.

I live in the UK, so I have no right to take the lives of such individuals using any type of weapon, but since self defence laws in America are awesomely bias, I admit that I was on the edge of my chair, watching to see if the SUV would go all killing spree on the mob.

Only in America, no doubt we can see why GTA is set in cities that are similar.

As such, I am disappointed. I wanted to see blood and guts all over the highway with mangled bikes strewn all over the place. There are very few other places where this sort of thing would happen and it would be very appropriate for something like that to happen on American soil.
sorry if i am wrong but i think you brits have some laws on the books for self defense dont you...i didnt spend much time reading that wiki

true you do have to get creative with your 'weapons'...no officer i plan on using this ball-peen hammer on things that need balling and peening
In the UK we use a system of mutual escalation or equal force. That means that you can use a weapon equal to what is used against you in self-defence but using anything more is a crime.
E.G. using that hammer against someone with a knife is fine because you would both have melee weapons of a deadly nature.
The problem with this situation is that a several ton SUV would be seen as potentially more deadly than the bikers helmets + some blades described as 'small penknives'. our juries are also less likely to take into account surrounding conditions than American courts. That being said the driver would be charged here, maybe sued for personal injury by the paralyzed man or his family though. It's depressingly common how often a criminal sues because he broke a leg/arm robbing someone or running from the police here.


Also. Mad. you do know that GTA is made by a Scottish company. if crazy-ass-violent-drunken shit is what you're looking for Scotland is most definitely the place to go, not America. (That's not a bad thing, I love Scotland)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2074077.stm
^^ homeowner jailed for overwhelming force then sued for injuring another. Sorry it's an old article but it was the first Google result.
 

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Single Shot said:
luckshot said:
Madgamer13 said:
I suppose it is simple really, the bike that bumped the SUV initially shouldn't have done so, the mob of bikes shouldn't have stopped the SUV, the mob shouldn't have attempted to damage the SUV, the SUV shouldn't have ran over the bikers and the bikers shouldn't have chased the SUV.

It is really simple! Why doesn't anyone understand? None of this should have happened, so only a few conclusions can be reached. Unfortunately, one such conclusion is that this group of bikers were out for blood, considering their intent to chase this SUV down.

I live in the UK, so I have no right to take the lives of such individuals using any type of weapon, but since self defence laws in America are awesomely bias, I admit that I was on the edge of my chair, watching to see if the SUV would go all killing spree on the mob.

Only in America, no doubt we can see why GTA is set in cities that are similar.

As such, I am disappointed. I wanted to see blood and guts all over the highway with mangled bikes strewn all over the place. There are very few other places where this sort of thing would happen and it would be very appropriate for something like that to happen on American soil.
sorry if i am wrong but i think you brits have some laws on the books for self defense dont you...i didnt spend much time reading that wiki

true you do have to get creative with your 'weapons'...no officer i plan on using this ball-peen hammer on things that need balling and peening
In the UK we use a system of mutual escalation or equal force. That means that you can use a weapon equal to what is used against you in self-defence but using anything more is a crime.
E.G. using that hammer against someone with a knife is fine because you would both have melee weapons of a deadly nature.
The problem with this situation is that a several ton SUV would be seen as potentially more deadly than the bikers helmets + some blades described as 'small penknives'. our juries are also less likely to take into account surrounding conditions than American courts. That being said the driver would be charged here, maybe sued for personal injury by the paralyzed man or his family though. It's depressingly common how often a criminal sues because he broke a leg/arm robbing someone or running from the police here.


Also. Mad. you do know that GTA is made by a Scottish company. if crazy-ass-violent-drunken shit is what you're looking for Scotland is most definitely the place to go, not America. (That's not a bad thing, I love Scotland)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2074077.stm
^^ homeowner jailed for overwhelming force then sued for injuring another. Sorry it's an old article but it was the first Google result.
ahh thanks for clearing that up, strangely in a state over 1800 miles or more than 2800 kilometers from oceans we dont get many cases dealing with british law :p

and i think in america we had a case where a home owner was sued when the burglar hurt himself...here it is http://overlawyered.com/2006/09/the-burglar-and-the-skylight-another-debunking-that-isnt/ this one a kid is stealing floodlights off the school and falls through a sky light

edit: to add that self defense laws in the states can be confusing as that is a state issue and not generally looked at by the overarching federal government.

many states have a "stand your ground law" that generally say that if you are in a place you are legally allowed to be, you can defend yourself if you feel that your life or serious injury is imminent

other states might use a "duty to retreat" which basically means if there is any way you can avoid/escape you need to do so

but again pretty much every state has its own flavor and i dont feel like looking up 50 states self defense laws...pretty sure i get on some kind of watch list then
 

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Yeah, I ain't seeing the same thing everyone else is. After watching the video, I saw a slight accident and the bikers stop to confront the guy about it. So his reaction is to just to floor it over them? You can hardly blame them for being pissed off about that. This really stinks to me of the driver thinking "These guys are bikers, they're evil" and reacting poorly.

Of course, the bikers reacted poorly as well by giving chase. They should have taken the guys license plate and called the police instead, so it seems like neither side is really "right" here.

I could be wrong though, all I'm saying is what I saw in that video. Do we actually have any solid evidence that they were going to threaten the guy before he ran over them? After an accident, you are supposed to remain at the scene after all. From as far back as the camera is, all we can see is the bikers stopped and that is it.
Ok let me just say that while I do agree that a lot is left to be seen from this I do have to say that the first guy the SUV hit was looking behind him the entire time he decelerated up until he made contact with the SUV. That does not say "accident" to me by any means.

I do see the reactions of both sides.

So from the drivers perspective, a biker just seemed to purposefully slow down until he hits you and now a group of 25+ bikers have stopped and now surround your vehicle with your wife and son inside.

From the rest of the bikers perspective, one of your buddies has stopped, seemingly hit by an SUV driver. That SUV then runs over several bikes and critically injures your buddy.

Neither side is in the right but I will say that I sympathize more with the driver since he had his family with him, seemed to be the victim of an innocuous prank turned sour, and his reaction is pretty justifiable given the circumstances.

In the end he hurt a biker out of fear and panic while the bikers hurt him out of anger.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Without really knowing all the facts, it's hard to take sides.

However, as someone who watches 98% of all cyclists cheerfully ignore all road rules and put everyone else in peril whilst doing so, I'm perfectly willing to assume it's the cyclists' fault.

EDIT: Oh wait these are BIKERS. I assumed it was bike riding cyclists.

Oh well, I still blame cyclists. No doubt there were a couple nearby that could've prevented the whole thing.
I hear ya on the cyclists, both as a pedestrian and a driver they've nearly caused me many accidents. Be it ignoring erd lights as i cross and then swearing at me when they hit me, or be it swerving around the outside of my car as I pull out of a junction.
 

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Cpu46 said:
So from the drivers perspective, a biker just seemed to purposefully slow down until he hits you and now a group of 25+ bikers have stopped and now surround your vehicle with your wife and son inside.

From the rest of the bikers perspective, one of your buddies has stopped, seemingly hit by an SUV driver. That SUV then runs over several bikes and critically injures your buddy.

Neither side is in the right but I will say that I sympathize more with the driver since he had his family with him, seemed to be the victim of an innocuous prank turned sour, and his reaction is pretty justifiable given the circumstances.

In the end he hurt a biker out of fear and panic while the bikers hurt him out of anger.
However, taking into account the fact that the bikers were attacking his car after the biker caused the accident puts the SUV driver fully in the right.
 

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I like the fact that the biker on the red/white motorbike moved to the side and got clear before the SUV accelerated at 00:48. "Yeah, fuck this, I'm getting out of the way".

You sir have earned a common sense medal in my books for what it's worth.
 
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Weaver said:
Aren't they terrorists under American law now?
Oh everyone's a terrorist under american law. They just need an excuse [/sarcasm]

On topic, no one died which is always positive. Gang mentality at it's best, sad thing is most of those probably weren't even bad people they just didn't want to go against the group.
 

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Use_Imagination_here said:
Weaver said:
Aren't they terrorists under American law now?
Oh everyone's a terrorist under american law. They just need an excuse [/sarcasm]

On topic, no one died which is always positive. Gang mentality at it's best, sad thing is most of those probably weren't even bad people they just didn't want to go against the group.
Yeah I'm glad no one died to. But whats crazy is how a lot of the media is trying to victimize the Bikers who got injured. Like they didn't know what would or could have happened. The good news is that the cops are ruling it a accident and the "Biker" who provoked the indecent is being charged, not the SUV driver. I'll try to find the link of that for here later.
 

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Kavic86 said:
Use_Imagination_here said:
Weaver said:
Aren't they terrorists under American law now?
Oh everyone's a terrorist under american law. They just need an excuse [/sarcasm]

On topic, no one died which is always positive. Gang mentality at it's best, sad thing is most of those probably weren't even bad people they just didn't want to go against the group.
Yeah I'm glad no one died to. But whats crazy is how a lot of the media is trying to victimize the Bikers who got injured. Like they didn't know what would or could have happened. The good news is that the cops are ruling it a accident and the "Biker" who provoked the indecent is being charged, not the SUV driver. I'll try to find the link of that for here later.
I found one dealing with the 'victimization' of the paralyzed biker guy, the comment section is ... an interesting read to say the least.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/04/20820832-undercover-cop-was-on-scene-when-bikers-beat-range-rover-driver-officials#comments
 

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Thats good i just read another article about how they are trying to find more of the suspects who participated. http://gma.yahoo.com/police-release-photo-person-interest-alleged-suv-driver-180842566--abc-news-topstories.html

capcha oh wait