Was going to get for 360 anyway, but I really wish they'd knock this all DRM crap off all together, it's annoyed me in the past and it's still lingering around.
I would hope that publishers and devs would learn that punishing your consumer base doesnt stop pirating it causes it. They have yet to make a protection scheme that hackers cant find a way around. So why are they shelling out extra cash to have it put on thier games?Snotnarok said:I don't care about disc checks or whatever DRM is targeted for the people who buy the game and if you don't know about that, think about it. The game is going to be up on a torrent site 3 days before it hits store shelves and it will have all that nasty DRM removed, and DRM counts any hardware changes (ram/HDD/dvd) and counts that too. They'll play it anyway as much as they like installing it as many times as they will need while we, the people who actually buy their games are stuck with shit.
Do we really need more boycotters?Khell_Sennet said:I'm boycotting the XBox version too. If I can't have it on the system of my choosing because the developers/publishers are being dicksmurfs, I won't then go hand them the same money for a different version.Pegghead said:Good thing I'm getting it for my xbox eh.
I hate when they do this, it makes me hate the company. DRM also slows your PC down because it's ALWAYS checking your hardware. I want to strangle the guy who made this choice, I want to strangle him and shake him like a ragdoll.-Pod- said:I would hope that publishers and devs would learn that punishing your consumer base doesnt stop pirating it causes it. They have yet to make a protection scheme that hackers cant find a way around. So why are they shelling out extra cash to have it put on thier games?Snotnarok said:I don't care about disc checks or whatever DRM is targeted for the people who buy the game and if you don't know about that, think about it. The game is going to be up on a torrent site 3 days before it hits store shelves and it will have all that nasty DRM removed, and DRM counts any hardware changes (ram/HDD/dvd) and counts that too. They'll play it anyway as much as they like installing it as many times as they will need while we, the people who actually buy their games are stuck with shit.
This is one of the reasons PC gaming has lost its place in my heart. Plus pirates love this... it gives them another reason for them to say f' the man... i think every dev/pub should take a Stardock approach to pirating, realize its going to happen, but try to have great customer support and games and you'll limit it.
Mass Effect 2 doesn't have DRM if I remember correctly. EA for the most part learned their lesson from the whole Spore DRM debacle.dududf said:Congratulations, my preorder has been cancelled.
Go frig your selves. When will you learn that we won't take that shit, and that all DRM does is make the Pirate Bay seem ever so friendly.
Excuse me while I go check to see if we are spared from DRM in Mass Effect 2.
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Securom has caused me to have to reformat both my drives more then I'd like to admit.
Minimal DRM and good game makes me more willing to throw my money at the developers.
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Final note, if you're gonna treat me like a thief before anything has been done then frig off I'll go ahead and BE A THIEF. It makes no difference in your eyes anyways.
Thank god for that!CD-R said:Mass Effect 2 doesn't have DRM if I remember correctly. EA for the most part learned their lesson from the whole Spore DRM debacle.dududf said:Congratulations, my preorder has been cancelled.
Go frig your selves. When will you learn that we won't take that shit, and that all DRM does is make the Pirate Bay seem ever so friendly.
Excuse me while I go check to see if we are spared from DRM in Mass Effect 2.
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Securom has caused me to have to reformat both my drives more then I'd like to admit.
Minimal DRM and good game makes me more willing to throw my money at the developers.
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Final note, if you're gonna treat me like a thief before anything has been done then frig off I'll go ahead and BE A THIEF. It makes no difference in your eyes anyways.
I don't think you understand what DRM is. DRM is any technology that restricts how digital data can be used, and there are many different approaches to DRM. iTunes used to use DRM for its music, and it certainly wasn't constantly checking your hardware. Steam uses DRM for everything. If DRM just consists of a disc-check at the program's startup, which is the norm for PC games, then it's not going to be constantly checking your hardware, slowing down your PC.Snotnarok said:I hate when they do this, it makes me hate the company. DRM also slows your PC down because it's ALWAYS checking your hardware. I want to strangle the guy who made this choice, I want to strangle him and shake him like a ragdoll.
I like that you assume so much, I'm experienced with computers. I know a lot about DRM because I read on it, and I happen to know someone who works in the game industry. It limits your installs, and it monitors your hardware so it can identify your computer this is a process on your PC. That process, like all processes is a task that slows your pc down because it uses resources, sure it's not slowing it down a lot but it's just one process I don't want while I'm not playing the stupid game.ThrobbingEgo said:I don't think you understand what DRM is. DRM is any technology that restricts how digital data can be used, and there are many different approaches to DRM. iTunes used to use DRM for its music, and it certainly wasn't constantly checking your hardware. If DRM just consists of a disc-check at startup, which is the norm for PC games, then it's not going to be constantly checking your hardware, slowing down your PC.Snotnarok said:I hate when they do this, it makes me hate the company. DRM also slows your PC down because it's ALWAYS checking your hardware. I want to strangle the guy who made this choice, I want to strangle him and shake him like a ragdoll.
To make the claim that all DRM constantly checks your hardware and slows down your PC.. that's a ridiculous statement.
Your computer's likely slow because your registry's a mess - from normal use - and this is fairly easy to fix with a decent registry cleaner. (Try Glary Utilities. It's even free.)
Certainly there are reasons why you may dislike specific forms of DRM, but please know what you're talking about.
:Ooliveira8 said:It will have GFWL and you have to get the DLC through that piece of retarded software.j0z said:I wonder how the Steam version will work? Will it still have GFW, and will we get the DLC from Steam or GFWL?
Overall, this sucks, but not as bad as the original Bioshock. Rootkits anyone?
Its true, Games for Windows Live is what hurts the most.Khell_Sennet said:There's more to it than activation limits. I for one don't want Games for Windows Live. Won't use it, won't buy a game that requires it. SecuRom is just another nail in a long-buried coffin.
Snotnarok said:I like that you assume so much, I'm experienced with computers. I know a lot about DRM because I read on it, and I happen to know someone who works in the game industry. It limits your installs, and it monitors your hardware so it can identify your computer this is a process on your PC. That process, like all processes is a task that slows your pc down because it uses resources, sure it's not slowing it down a lot but it's just one process I don't want while I'm not playing the stupid game.
Current implementations of SecuROM don't run in the background (IE, while you're not playing the specified game) at all. Let alone enough to hamper performance on your computer in any way.2.5 Does SecuROM? decrease the performance of my PC?
No,SecuROM? does not influence PC performance. SecuROM? is a library integrated into the protected application, and recent versions of SecuROM? do not contain any stand alone applications.
Some older versions of SecuROM? install the ?User Access Service?, which allows a user to share DRM licenses among multiple Operating System user accounts. The User Access Service consumes very little memory (a few hundred kBytes) and virtually no CPU power. This service does not cause a performance decrease.
3.4 Why does SecuROM? sometimes remain active in the background, even if the protected application is not running?
By default, SecuROM? does not install any permanently active applications, services, or drivers. Some older versions of SecuROM? protected applications use a special configuration which will install a Windows Service called ?User Access Service?. This service allows a user to share DRM licenses among multiple users of the same PC.
This service is only used during the initial SecuROM? authentication upon the start of the application. At all other times, the service runs in the ?idle? mode. This means that it is passively waiting for a SecuROM? protected application to perform the respective DRM authentication during the startup of that protected application.
ThrobbingEgo said:Snotnarok said:I like that you assume so much, I'm experienced with computers. I know a lot about DRM because I read on it, and I happen to know someone who works in the game industry. It limits your installs, and it monitors your hardware so it can identify your computer this is a process on your PC. That process, like all processes is a task that slows your pc down because it uses resources, sure it's not slowing it down a lot but it's just one process I don't want while I'm not playing the stupid game.Current implementations of SecuROM don't run in the background (IE, while you're not playing the specified game) at all. Let alone enough to hamper performance on your computer in any game.2.5 Does SecuROM? decrease the performance of my PC?
No,SecuROM? does not influence PC performance. SecuROM? is a library integrated into the protected application, and recent versions of SecuROM? do not contain any stand alone applications.
Some older versions of SecuROM? install the ?User Access Service?, which allows a user to share DRM licenses among multiple Operating System user accounts. The User Access Service consumes very little memory (a few hundred kBytes) and virtually no CPU power. This service does not cause a performance decrease.
3.4 Why does SecuROM? sometimes remain active in the background, even if the protected application is not running?
By default, SecuROM? does not install any permanently active applications, services, or drivers. Some older versions of SecuROM? protected applications use a special configuration which will install a Windows Service called ?User Access Service?. This service allows a user to share DRM licenses among multiple users of the same PC.
This service is only used during the initial SecuROM? authentication upon the start of the application. At all other times, the service runs in the ?idle? mode. This means that it is passively waiting for a SecuROM? protected application to perform the respective DRM authentication during the startup of that protected application.
Your friend's information is blatantly incorrect, as, like I said, there are many different implementations of DRM. "DRM" isn't a thing itself.
You're welcome.