BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC
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DLC confirms that the character is only purchable? Where? When I saw it, it said squadmate. The character indeed is important, but it is in game. How stupid do you think Bioware is? If they lied, it would end up blowing in their faces. They would lose all credibility they had.Zeel said:
Not only that, but all we have is suppositions. Besides the fact that the leak confirms that the Prothean is important (and he is), it doesn't mean that the character will only be obtainable by DLC. It says a character is important. And with the DLC, you will know new and non-important, or at least non critical information about him and have him as your squadmate.
That is no evidence. That is a conspiracy theorist running loose. You are making shit up, twisting other shit and adding extra (invented laiers) of shit into the leaks, creating a gigantic shit sandwich you are forcing us to eat. No sir, I will not eat that shit sandwich, I will wait for the game to be released to judge it like an inteligent, non-shit-sandwich eating person.
Such perfect comedic timing. I applaud you good sir!The.Bard said:
Anyways, Mister Zeel, I have to ask... if it was in the leaks, and the leaks are outdated and contain things that have changed or have been removed... how exactly is this "proof"?
Bioware have also said much, if not all the DLC coming out for Mass Effect 3 were ideas they had originally but scrapped because they felt it wasn't essential or they ran out of time to implement. This may well include the Prothean being a squad mate, it may well be they changed it to meet deadlines, only to work on it later. The Prothean may well be in the basic game, albeit just not a squad member.
Also, you call us blind... I may remind you at this point that many people feel the same as you, but yet haven't incurred the wrath of everyone in this thread.
http://www.northwesternflipside.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/screenshot_213536_thumb3001.jpg
HERE IS THE SO CALLED "PLOT CRITICAL INFORMATION" THE PROTHEAN GIVES YOU
AKA NOT SHIT.
that is that, that is whats so goddman important that he tells you
AKA NOT SHIT.
The debate seems to be over how important the squadmate is, and if his race is any indicator, he is important. People have seen his dialogue in the leaked script, so I see two possibilities.
1.The character was cut from the game in order to make him dlc, so a character unbelievably important to the lore was removed from the game and is being sold back to us for an extra ten bucks. If this is the case, I believe we have a right to be pissed off.
2. The dlc only takes an existing character and makes him a squadmate as well. If that's all the from ashes pack has, the squadmate thing and a mission, it isn't worth 10 USD. Zaeed was free for people who bought a new copy, and I believe Kasumi was around 7 USD. In this case, I don't think it's worth the cost, but it also isn't something for the hivemind to rage about.
It all depends on the details we don't know for sure yet.
Feel free to tell me that I am a complete dumbass/sheeple and that my grammar is horrible.
1.The character was cut from the game in order to make him dlc, so a character unbelievably important to the lore was removed from the game and is being sold back to us for an extra ten bucks. If this is the case, I believe we have a right to be pissed off.
2. The dlc only takes an existing character and makes him a squadmate as well. If that's all the from ashes pack has, the squadmate thing and a mission, it isn't worth 10 USD. Zaeed was free for people who bought a new copy, and I believe Kasumi was around 7 USD. In this case, I don't think it's worth the cost, but it also isn't something for the hivemind to rage about.
It all depends on the details we don't know for sure yet.
Feel free to tell me that I am a complete dumbass/sheeple and that my grammar is horrible.
Do you have proof the leak was from the "content lockdown" part of the game?
Ohh wait.... no you don't.
Ohh wait.... no you don't.
No it doesn't mean that Zeel that's the problem.
All it means is that they had an idea for a Prothean character who was gonna tell you COMPLETELY USELESS information, and then they later made him recruitable through a DLC.
All it means is that they had an idea for a Prothean character who was gonna tell you COMPLETELY USELESS information, and then they later made him recruitable through a DLC.
I can't help but wonder, how many of the Bioware fans who are defending this day-one DLC would be screaming 'foul' if this exact same situation cropped up for another game from another developer. A developer whose PR guy said the same thing. Namely, "Work started on the DLC after we finished the game, so we couldn't include it."
I'm curious how many would immediately assume the guy was bullshitting to cover their asses.
Regardless, I don't really care. I've no interest in buying Mass Effect 3.
I'm curious how many would immediately assume the guy was bullshitting to cover their asses.
Regardless, I don't really care. I've no interest in buying Mass Effect 3.
But...but...a hamburger really isn't complete if it doesn't have bacon on it. The burger looks so lonely on the bun without it's little crispy friend with it.Zachery Gaskins said:
No, proof of any of the following statements you made.Zeel said:
- They were mentioning it in the special collectors edition for a while now.
- confirmed by the "collectors editions description"
- Too bad it was already being developed early november not After "content-complete" mode.
- It was part of the original game
The leaks do not count. They were months old when they were unleashed, none of it was finalized, and ALL of it is speculatory, at best.
A 10 dollar DLC might end up costing them millions in potential buyers that are turned off because of this, whereas the announcement that a 10 dollar DLC that includes a Protean will be included in all versions for free might have brought in people that might not have bought it or were on the fence about it.
I always planned on getting the CE but that's just bad business right there.
I always planned on getting the CE but that's just bad business right there.
Whew good thing I pre-ordered from Origin(YES YOUR HATE IS DELICIOUS)Andy Chalk said:BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC
BioWare says the From Ashes launch-day DLC for Mass Effect 3 couldn't be included with the game because work on it didn't begin until the upcoming sci-fi epic was complete.
Gamers reacted to the unexpected and unintentional reveal [www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115967-Mass-Effect-3-DLC-Appears-on-Xbox-Live] of From Ashes, the launch-day DLC for Mass Effect 3 that turned up on Xbox Live yesterday, about as you'd expect: they got mad. Why, they demanded, was this bit of content, which was obviously ready in time for the game's release, not included with the game - particularly since Collector's Edition buyers will get it free, but those who opt for the standard release will have to pony up 800 Microsoft points, or about ten bucks, for the privilege.
It's a pretty common question in this era of day-one DLC and BioWare is doing its best to answer it fully. First up is Mass Effect Producer Michael Gamble, who took to the forums to explain what the DLC is all about. And there are spoilers! Small ones, but consider yourself warned regardless.
From Ashes will include a Prothean squad mate, a trip to Eden Prime, a new weapon and an alternate appearance for everyone on the team, above and beyond the alternate appearances already included with the CE. "The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details," Gamble wrote [http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9403705/1]. "The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete - and a huge game - right out of the box."
He also noted that development on From Ashes did not begin "until well after the main game went into certification," a point Executive Producer Casey Hudson expanded on through Twitter [https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson].
"It takes about 3 months from 'content complete' to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC," he wrote. "DLC has fast cert and no mfg., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1. On #ME3, content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the 'From Ashes' DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately."
The truth is that this probably won't do much to calm the rage but for people genuinely curious about why launch-day DLC isn't in the box, there you have it. Unfortunately, if you haven't already laid down your money for the CE, you might be stuck: Amazon [http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-3-Collectors-Playstation/dp/B0050SY06W/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1330025508&sr=8-3] is reporting that due to high demand [and possibly the imminent Reaper invasion], its allocation of CEs across all platforms is sold out.
Mass Effect 3, and the From Ashes DLC, will be out on March 6 for the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC.
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On the other hand, I do sympathize. At 10 dollars it does seem a little... hmm whats the right word... "outrageous"? 5 would have been better and I think that would have dampened the ensuing uproar.
That said, its also an image issue. It is true that often times day one DLC is after the actual game is completed. But it sure dont LOOK like that. Hell I think a better way would be to say "yes the CE users will have an extra squad mate. No he's not essential to the story line much like Kasumi and Zaeed was. yes you will be able to purchase the character and his mission/weapons/costume at a later date." Rather than this "DLC available launch day." That makes people feel ripped off at not having a "complete" game. People want, rightfully, to have a full game when they purchase a game. Even if its only the feeling of a complete game.
Don't forget the cheese. It MUST have cheese. It's called a cheeseburger, then, I guess. But still!Vigormortis said:But...but...a hamburger really isn't complete if it doesn't have bacon on it. The burger looks so lonely on the bun without it's little crispy friend with it.Zachery Gaskins said:
Short answer: I like ponies!INF1NIT3 D00M said:
Long answer: I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY like ponies!
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Okay, more serious now (still loving the horse analogy, even if it's not entirely correct):
I am not saying that EA is not acting like a complete arsehole, they are completely devoid of any moral and consciousness and show next to no respect for their target audience.
However, the whole horse minus the saddle example that you brought up, is not entirely the way it happened with the Mass Effect DLC. See my following points:
1: Someone accidentally put it up on X-Box Live, so if that never happened, no one would have even known.
2: It's "free", with the collector's edition. Like many other CE's, you get a lot of extra content, but that's what you pay extra for. World of Warcraft has pets with every CE, the Prothean is similar to that, in a way that it's 'cosmetical', it has no impact on the story, but just another addition to the team. The game is not incomplete without the Prothean. It's just a very shiny and rare team-member.
If you don't want to shelf out an extra 20 bucks for the collector's edition, but do want the Prothean, EA is giving you the CHOICE of paying 10 bucks for it, on release day. If having a Prothean on your team is a big deal, then this is for you.
Whether or not the Prothean DLC is worth $10 is an individual decision, seeing as how plenty of people bought that horse DLC for Dragon Age, for some a few bucks for something cosmetical is not a big deal.
Again, your game experience is not lessened by the lack of a Prothean, but it can be enhanced if you want. And color me interested.
Unless you take your car to an unaffiliated mechanic, the "nickle and dime'ing" is probably for the overall health of your car. Assuming you took it to an ASE master technician, you should hear your mechanic out on what they're suggesting.CapitalistPig said:
In America- cars are large ticket items that are a necessity if you live outside cities with good public transportation. To elaborate, they're not really luxury items and the mechanic will try to fix your car to 100%, rather than 50% and say, "That's good enough". The reasoning behind this is not to take you for all you've got, but more so to cover the mechanic's ass in case of future, more expensive repairs.
I'd argue that the price of car parts rising, or being artificially increased for less product- would be an excellent comparison.