BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC

[anthony87]

I draw the line right here. You do not get to remove ESSENTIAL FUCKING content just to ship more fucking collector editions.

How is this essential? Does your computer / XboX360 not run this game without a Prothean squadmate?

Essential to the lore and story. Read the fucking leaks. I'm tired of educating you half-wits.

Unless story and lore and NOT ESSENTIAL to SCI-FI RPG GAMES?
SURELY YOU DONT THINK THAT.

START THINKING GOD DAMN IT. Theres like 12 pages of fucking information. read before any of you guys respond to me.

Surely, protheans are a big thing in Mass Effect. I have played the game and I know what I'm talking about.

That said, I expect having an optional prothean on the team is just like any other (optional) teammate like Zaeed and Kasumi, with just a slightly more historical background (50.000 years more historical, to be accurate). Does this mean it's essential to the storyline in this game?

I don't know...I really don't know.

I havn't played the game and neither have you. If you have, however: I will take your factual knowledge more seriously. Until then, may I advice you to stop giving such a big shit.

no. Try again. Protheans aren't some japanese wifuu or some crusty old mercernary. The "bit more historical background" is a grave understatement. Do we have to go into how much the protheans carried the entire game? Do you think there impact on developing the story would be minor? Some characters are more important than others. A living breathingFUCKINGProthean is kind of one of those important characters.

Second, I do know. In the leaks, the prothean is vital to the plot, the story, and establishing lore.

Seeing as the main plot points of the leak appear to be the same,(and mostly everything else) I can safely conclude that, yes the prothean is important and essential to this game. Now, if you are going to try and tell me I don't know anymore than you, you need to debunk everything I just said.

Aside from the revelation in the second game that the Collectors were the Protheans, there wasn't that big a mention about them as far as I recall.

Sure in the first game you were led to believe that they were hugely important but then you find out that pretty much everything that was thought to be developed by the Protheans was actually made by the Reapers as part of their cycle of encouraging life and then destroying it.

they were important but since there tech is reaper and unless he knows of some dues ex machina i don't think other then shooting things how much impact he'll have

Huh, guess I'm not the only one who thinks so.

 

[Tony2077]

I draw the line right here. You do not get to remove ESSENTIAL FUCKING content just to ship more fucking collector editions.

How is this essential? Does your computer / XboX360 not run this game without a Prothean squadmate?

Essential to the lore and story. Read the fucking leaks. I'm tired of educating you half-wits.

Unless story and lore and NOT ESSENTIAL to SCI-FI RPG GAMES?
SURELY YOU DONT THINK THAT.

START THINKING GOD DAMN IT. Theres like 12 pages of fucking information. read before any of you guys respond to me.

Surely, protheans are a big thing in Mass Effect. I have played the game and I know what I'm talking about.

That said, I expect having an optional prothean on the team is just like any other (optional) teammate like Zaeed and Kasumi, with just a slightly more historical background (50.000 years more historical, to be accurate). Does this mean it's essential to the storyline in this game?

I don't know...I really don't know.

I havn't played the game and neither have you. If you have, however: I will take your factual knowledge more seriously. Until then, may I advice you to stop giving such a big shit.

no. Try again. Protheans aren't some japanese wifuu or some crusty old mercernary. The "bit more historical background" is a grave understatement. Do we have to go into how much the protheans carried the entire game? Do you think there impact on developing the story would be minor? Some characters are more important than others. A living breathingFUCKINGProthean is kind of one of those important characters.

Second, I do know. In the leaks, the prothean is vital to the plot, the story, and establishing lore.

Seeing as the main plot points of the leak appear to be the same,(and mostly everything else) I can safely conclude that, yes the prothean is important and essential to this game. Now, if you are going to try and tell me I don't know anymore than you, you need to debunk everything I just said.

Aside from the revelation in the second game that the Collectors were the Protheans, there wasn't that big a mention about them as far as I recall.

Sure in the first game you were led to believe that they were hugely important but then you find out that pretty much everything that was thought to be developed by the Protheans was actually made by the Reapers as part of their cycle of encouraging life and then destroying it.

cool i made the same point

 

[guitarsniper]

And just watch the Prothean character prove to be another Zaeed: honestly kind of irritating and useless. That would be simultaneously kind of depressing and incredibly funny. But honestly I think we're going to have to wait the couple of weeks or so until release to figure out exactly what's up with the character. Most argument right now is based on speculation that because it's a prothean it's gonna be incredibly important. I would honestly be just as happy if the DLC squadmate was from some other culture that we don't know much about. I'd love to see a Hanar, Elcor, or Volus squadmate as well, just because those are cultures that I'm somewhat less familiar with than, for example, Turians or Asari.

That being said, when I first heard about the prothean squadmate, my primary reaction was sadness. "Really, Bioware?" I thought, "You guys are making time travel a thing in Mass Effect 3?"

 

[Tony2077]

I draw the line right here. You do not get to remove ESSENTIAL FUCKING content just to ship more fucking collector editions.

How is this essential? Does your computer / XboX360 not run this game without a Prothean squadmate?

Essential to the lore and story. Read the fucking leaks. I'm tired of educating you half-wits.

Unless story and lore and NOT ESSENTIAL to SCI-FI RPG GAMES?
SURELY YOU DONT THINK THAT.

START THINKING GOD DAMN IT. Theres like 12 pages of fucking information. read before any of you guys respond to me.

Surely, protheans are a big thing in Mass Effect. I have played the game and I know what I'm talking about.

That said, I expect having an optional prothean on the team is just like any other (optional) teammate like Zaeed and Kasumi, with just a slightly more historical background (50.000 years more historical, to be accurate). Does this mean it's essential to the storyline in this game?

I don't know...I really don't know.

I havn't played the game and neither have you. If you have, however: I will take your factual knowledge more seriously. Until then, may I advice you to stop giving such a big shit.

no. Try again. Protheans aren't some japanese wifuu or some crusty old mercernary. The "bit more historical background" is a grave understatement. Do we have to go into how much the protheans carried the entire game? Do you think there impact on developing the story would be minor? Some characters are more important than others. A living breathingFUCKINGProthean is kind of one of those important characters.

Second, I do know. In the leaks, the prothean is vital to the plot, the story, and establishing lore.

Seeing as the main plot points of the leak appear to be the same,(and mostly everything else) I can safely conclude that, yes the prothean is important and essential to this game. Now, if you are going to try and tell me I don't know anymore than you, you need to debunk everything I just said.

they were important but since there tech is reaper and unless he knows of some dues ex machina i don't think other then shooting things how much impact he'll have

How much am I going to repeat this to you? Lore and story development. Being wiped out my the reapers is kind of important information. The prothean will add extra lore to the A. Reapers. B. Their extinction. and C. The protheans.

but will that lore change how the game ends i doubt it unless like i said they have a deus ex machina hidden some where that only he knows about but since we don't have the full game i doubt you'd know everything unless your a time traveler tell me how its done nah just give it to me

 

[SajuukKhar]

How exactly are the Porhteans so FING important again?

Lets see they
1. Died
2.Sucked so hard at math that they couldn't estimate how long killing off their civilization would take and thus didn't give Vigil enough batteries to keep their people in hibernation alive.
3. Built the ONE TIME USE conduit that almost let the badguys win
4. changed the keepers signal delaying the Reapers for about a month or two

Not a whole-fng-lot if you ask me.

Anyone who thinks the Protheans are these giant technological badasses who could save the day, and are not just like every other race before them and after them clearly either
A. hasn't played the game
B. Didnt pay attention.


there is even a conversation at the end of Mass effect 1 were your squadmates even talk about HOW FING NORMAL THE PROTHEANS REALLY ARE.

 

[Ukomba]

BioWare says the From Ashes launch-day DLC for Mass Effect 3 couldn't be included with the game because work on it didn't begin until the upcoming sci-fi epic was complete.

1. It obviously wasn't finished if they still had content to create.
2. Even so, why are they charging for it?

1. Are you familiar with the words, "Feature Creep"?
If they were going to have it be part of the game at launch rather than DLC they would have had to hold off certification of the game until that section was completed, pushing back launch. Then you'd get your precious From Ashes, but as they're going to the certification process, some group would have stared working on DLC, possibly finishing it before Certification and we'd be right back where we started with people bitching it isn't in the game.
2. Because it costs money to create content, might as well ask why all dlc isn't free, or why you don't get the collector edition mechanical dog in the standard edition. While you're at it, complain to airlines that your coach ticket doesn't get you first class seats. e_e

1. Actualy DLC is fairly easy to certify. Even if you want to sell it that way as "keep off disc for certification" They can easily include a code like they did for Zaeed. Infact they did just that for collectors edition. So don't you dare tell me it wasn't possible to get this HIGHLY RELEVANT CONTENT FREE.
2. IT doesn't cost them an extra dime to create that content. If its during the intial budget development. there salaries are paid alllllllllllllllllllll the way up til release date. Whether they work during the gold period has nothing to do with it. They get paid regardless. They certainly aren't going bankrupt developing a god damn character and party.

3. Now you're being a jackass about it. Games shouldn't have a"coach version" and "first class" this is a software. We all should be getting ONE edition. THis "special edition for people who pay more" is outrageous. and I can't believe anyone is defending it.

4. DO YOU WANT TO PAY MORE FOR GAMES? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? If its what you want, tell me right now.

1. Please classify "HIGHLY RELEVANT CONTENT". Since you can play the entire game with out it, it's impact on the story has to be minimal at best. If you've played ME2 with and without Kasumi and Zaeed you'll see exactly how it works. Even the Shadow Broker or Arrival DLC which was far far more important to the story than Kasumi or Zaeed didn't effect the game outside of the DLC pack. I wouldn't call any ME2 DLC Highly Relevant, more like cool side missions. But yes, you could have gotten the content free. You could have gotten the Kasumi dlc free, or the Shadow Broker, or Arrival. Do you want to complain about those too?

2. BS! How can anyone take you seriously if you're going to make a statement like that. Any work has a cost to it. Lets just go with your assertion that they get paid for that time regardless if they do work. They could have put them on a project that could generate them money, rather than a free at launch dlc. It's an opportunity cost at that point because you're loosing man power to work on something that won't make you a dime for any new game purchases.

3. Really? There are a lot of games now that have a "Coach" or "basic" version. Any game with a Pre-Order Bonus has it, any game with an expansion pack or DLC you have to pay for has it. The whole FTP Micro transaction thing is essentially this. If you want to force developers to only have 1 version of a soft ware, the result will be the death of the game at launch. If a developer can't charge people more for new content then THEY WON'T MAKE NEW CONTENT. You might as well go cry to Blizzard that World of Warcraft is unfair because you only have the Vanilla box and you don't get all the content the people who bought the expansion packs have. Very few games have free expansions.

4. I don't want to pay more for games, but I do want more out of the games I love. I payed 60 dollars for ME2, and I got a full experience for it. I gladly paid more money to get the Shadow Broker when it came out. I gladly paid more money to get Kasumi. I gladly paid more money to get Arrival. If developers didn't have the option to charge for that extra content they wouldn't have made it and wouldn't have been able to play it. That's the thing, I DON'T HAVE TO PAY EXTRA FOR THIS DLC IF I DON'T WANT TO. Since it certified with out the content, it will play through fine without it. The game will play though just like ME2 did if you didn't buy Shadow Broker and Kasumi. Sure you miss out on those extra story elements, but it didn't change the game beyond Kasumi saying a slightly different line than Tali might have. I see no difference here. This new character and mission will not change the base line story, it will not change the games mechanics. I'm glad they're working on DLC and I hope they make more.

Now, where it would go to far is if, say, you needed Zaeede in order to access Kasumi's or if you needed fire walker to do shadow broker. At that point those dlcs become an integral part of the game and need to be given as free updates. So if From Ashes is required before you can play future game dlc, that will become a problem.

 

[Tony2077]

I draw the line right here. You do not get to remove ESSENTIAL FUCKING content just to ship more fucking collector editions.

How is this essential? Does your computer / XboX360 not run this game without a Prothean squadmate?

Essential to the lore and story. Read the fucking leaks. I'm tired of educating you half-wits.

Unless story and lore and NOT ESSENTIAL to SCI-FI RPG GAMES?
SURELY YOU DONT THINK THAT.

START THINKING GOD DAMN IT. Theres like 12 pages of fucking information. read before any of you guys respond to me.

Surely, protheans are a big thing in Mass Effect. I have played the game and I know what I'm talking about.

That said, I expect having an optional prothean on the team is just like any other (optional) teammate like Zaeed and Kasumi, with just a slightly more historical background (50.000 years more historical, to be accurate). Does this mean it's essential to the storyline in this game?

I don't know...I really don't know.

I havn't played the game and neither have you. If you have, however: I will take your factual knowledge more seriously. Until then, may I advice you to stop giving such a big shit.

no. Try again. Protheans aren't some japanese wifuu or some crusty old mercernary. The "bit more historical background" is a grave understatement. Do we have to go into how much the protheans carried the entire game? Do you think there impact on developing the story would be minor? Some characters are more important than others. A living breathingFUCKINGProthean is kind of one of those important characters.

Second, I do know. In the leaks, the prothean is vital to the plot, the story, and establishing lore.

Seeing as the main plot points of the leak appear to be the same,(and mostly everything else) I can safely conclude that, yes the prothean is important and essential to this game. Now, if you are going to try and tell me I don't know anymore than you, you need to debunk everything I just said.

they were important but since there tech is reaper and unless he knows of some dues ex machina i don't think other then shooting things how much impact he'll have

How much am I going to repeat this to you? Lore and story development. Being wiped out my the reapers is kind of important information. The prothean will add extra lore to the A. Reapers. B. Their extinction. and C. The protheans.

but will that lore change how the game ends i doubt it unless like i said they have a deus ex machina hidden some where that only he knows about but since we don't have the full game i doubt you'd know everything unless your a time traveler tell me how its done nah just give it to me

See. this is why I don't believe you.

You: doesn't impact story
Me: it does, for A, B and C
You: well, it doesn't impact the ending.
Me: Now you're being ridiculous.

If your only defence is "it wont impact this part of the game" then you don't have a defence. If you acknowledge it WILL impact the story, then you my friend, shouldn't be arguing against it.

I look forward to seeing you in 20minutes trying to argue the same blasted thing.

we're saying that unless you've never played the other ones that they do fuck all anymore since unless they have some great important message to give to you like the reapers weak spot or a dues ex machina they won't really add anything to the story other then holy shit one of you is still alive

 

[guitarsniper]

Do I need to whip out the chart again? I do don't I.

In short you have no idea what you're talking about.

And that should end the argument right there, folks. Unfortunately, it won't.

 

[Whateveralot]

Snip,

Snippety,

Snipsnipsnip.

no. Try again. Protheans aren't some japanese wifuu or some crusty old mercernary. The "bit more historical background" is a grave understatement. Do we have to go into how much the protheans carried the entire game? Do you think there impact on developing the story would be minor? Some characters are more important than others. A living breathingFUCKINGProthean is kind of one of those important characters.

Second, I do know. In the leaks, the prothean is vital to the plot, the story, and establishing lore.

Seeing as the main plot points of the leak appear to be the same,(and mostly everything else) I can safely conclude that, yes the prothean is important and essential to this game. Now, if you are going to try and tell me I don't know anymore than you, you need to debunk everything I just said.

I know who the Protheans are. Heck, the set-piece conversation with the prothean AI was propably one of the parts I enjoyed the most of Mass Effect 1.

That said, I'll debunk the "leaks" when I play (and enjoy) Mass Effect 3, while you're still on forums, sobbing abouw how potentially broken the game could be. Heck, I agree with the most things about the importance of protheans in the overlapping storyline of Mass Effect. I must say that it's quite a big twist to deliver a living Prothean.

All that aside, you admittely base your statements on "factual knowledge" gained from LEAKS. First of: I never read anywhere that the storyline of Mass Effect 3 is broken without the prothean. If you think I missed out, provide me with a reliable source so we can talk on equal level. If you can't provide me with a reliable source, I assume that we read the same things about the DLC and you're just having a lively imagination.

Because what I've read is that the game was finished and completed, then someone came along and said "let's add an epic mission on Eden Prima where the commander discovers a living prothean which will then a squadmate with separate side-missions that don't affect the main storyline.". Something along that line, at least. That's what my reliable source tells me [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115997-BioWare-Defends-Mass-Effect-3-Launch-Day-DLC]. Oh and that source happens to be the company actually making the game.

 

[anthony87]

Aside from the revelation in the second game that the Collectors were the Protheans, there wasn't that big a mention about them as far as I recall.

Sure in the first game you were led to believe that they were hugely important but then you find out that pretty much everything that was thought to be developed by the Protheans was actually made by the Reapers as part of their cycle of encouraging life and then destroying it.

OHHHHHH aside from them being the main enemies in Me2, yeah their role was insignificant. I mean, we can word anything like that. Aside from Shepard being the protagonist, he/she isn't important. Aside the the reaper threat, the reapers aren't important. You don't have a point, if it can be summed up as "aside from this"

They either are important or they aren't.

Plus in 1, they started the game, with their prothean beacons, they ending their game with their overrides. Their role in Shepards' conflict is pretty damn signficiant.

See. THis is why I call some of you fanboys. here you are faced with the evidence and instead of just admitting that the Protheans are important you want to sideline the issue. Oh they are important for A and B. but eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything else, well. Sorry that doesn't cut it. if they are important to the story, then they are important.

Main enemies? I'd say that'd be the Reapers. The Collecters are essentially mooks for you to deal with.

Now if the dlc character was a Collector who somehow overcame his Indoctrination and joined you? Yeah, he'd be pretty damned important.

 

[Tony2077]

Aside from the revelation in the second game that the Collectors were the Protheans, there wasn't that big a mention about them as far as I recall.

Sure in the first game you were led to believe that they were hugely important but then you find out that pretty much everything that was thought to be developed by the Protheans was actually made by the Reapers as part of their cycle of encouraging life and then destroying it.

OHHHHHH aside from them being the main enemies in Me2, yeah their role was insignificant. I mean, we can word anything like that. Aside from Shepard being the protagonist, he/she isn't important. Aside the the reaper threat, the reapers aren't important. You don't have a point, if it can be summed up as "aside from this"

They either are important or they aren't.

Plus in 1, they started the game, with their prothean beacons, they ending their game with their overrides. Their role in Shepards' conflict is pretty damn signficiant.

See. THis is why I call some of you fanboys. here you are faced with the evidence and instead of just admitting that the Protheans are important you want to sideline the issue. Oh they are important for A and B. but eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything else, well. Sorry that doesn't cut it. if they are important to the story, then they are important.

Main enemies? I'd say that'd be the Reapers. The Collecters are essentially mooks for you to deal with.

and there dead so the mooks are dealt with

 

[anthony87]

Oh and that source happens to be the company actually making the game.

But the company LIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Zeel is the only one smart enough to see that!

 

[Erttheking]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?