BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC

[Blade_125]

One more reason to wait 6-12 months for the price to drop or for te game and all DLC to be bundled together.

 

[Steampunk Viking]

*snip*

But yet when it was just a Collector's Edition add on, it was a-ok? That's the bit that makes me laugh about this arguement, people forgot all about it until it was available to buy for everyone.

Who cares how people figured it out. I find it ironic that in EA games attempt to milk more cash, they've threatened their own revenue. Good for them. stop this bullshit EA games. there is no reason on disc content should be denied to me.

Really? Are you still beating this drum? Your point has been made a billion times, I'm quite aware of how you feel about this, I'm merely pointing out the irony in this arguement.

Look, as I've said before, I do see your point, but this is a moot arguement. All I see is 100 people saying "It was developed after the game was finished!" and another 100 saying "Don't be an idiot, it was cut out!" and then both sides demanding proof from the other.

I have yet to see this proof anywhere.

I personally think that times are tough, people need to put in more effort purely to keep their jobs, this includes the gaming industry, I'm all up for the development team doing this and putting out optional content for money for this very reason. I also respect a lot of people don't want to pay for it and will boycot the game for it. That's fine, it's your money and your choice.

What I do object to however is people calling us idiots because we're doing what we like with our money, that's not right. Capcom and Activision make AAA titles and do this shit all the time, but you have yet to see me (or anyone else for that matter) make a million threads slagging them off. I personally won't buy them if I don't believe they're worth it, simple as that.

I've mentioned before, the DLC was slated as Collector's Edition only originally, the Protheans probably won't mean much to someone who's playing Mass Effect for the first time, and anyone else is likely to have played since the first game, be really big fans and tried landing themselves a copy of the big, juicy edition with all the lovely extra bits in it. I think the Prothean is a good squad mate to add baring this in mind.

Unfortunately I see people far too opinionated to accept other people have different opinions that, shock horror, aren't the same as theirs. This happens so much in the gaming community lately it's not even funny. It's getting to the point where it's elitest and, in more extreme cases, bullying. Yet (and I'm not saying everyone who disagrees with Bioware/EA are like this, but there are alot) these are the same people who slam game companies for trying to push their consumers in a direction they want?

Sad times.

 

[Loethlin]

I'm not even going to get into explaining how piracy is not theft.

Hah... Haaahhah.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAH....
ooh...

Oh wow.

 

[Gather]

Don't really give a damn what Bioware says my mind day-one DLC like this has a different purpose if it's combined with the collectors edition. Before I expand on it I'll lead off with a paraphrased quote I think Buckley from CAD did on Collectors Edition of games:

What's that? A collectors edition. I wonder what's in it that will effect my gameplay (Or the story)? Oh... A weapon. Pass

With adding actual content to the story on the Collectors edition people will feel more inclined to buy it because there is actually something that will have an effect on their story in more ways than an "extra weapon".

Selling the DLC to regular edition buyers is just for availability so that everyone can be on the same footing and won't tap their feet waiting for it to be released 1-2 months later for them (This did happen with Dues Ex: HR with the EXPLOSIVE WEAPON packs).

 

[Tony2077]

and uuuh... did you PLAN for work on it to start only once the main game was finished bioware?

What relevance does that have? Unless you're suggesting that by merely planning DLC, it should be included in the game at release (or available for free or whatever). You can't be suggesting that though, because that's utterly ridiculous.

They intended the prothean to be apart of the ORIGINAL GAME and NOT A DLC. Seeing as its in the freaking leaks. Then some suit over at ea game was like "oh no lets make this a dlc because the fans will go ape shit for it"
Thats what wrong with it.

They are right about one thing. They got our attention

THE

PROTHEAN

IS

STILL

IN

THE

GAME!

THE

DLC

MAKES

HIM

A

SQUADMATE!

Has there been official confirmation of this? Cause all i've heard are scripts. Which to me is stupid, because of course the lines of a day one dlc will be in the script

The lines of the DLC couldn't be in the script because production on the DLC hadn't begun until after ME3 was completed.

So basically you have no idea how the prothean interacts in the game. The only thing we know (and not absolutely) is that The prothean squadmate was an idea from early november. That was removed because they wanted to squeeze more money out of guillable fans.

I've asked time and time again for confirmation on relevant dialogue and no one has given me evidence. If you are willing to shout "OMG PROTHEAN STILL IN DA GAME" I WANT TO SEE PROOF OF THAT.
Or shall I put it like this


SHOW
ME
THE
EVIDENCE

Haven't got any. Unfortunately all I've got is speculation until I've got the game. Call it a knee-jerk reaction if you will.

Do you have any evidence that the Prothean HAS in fact been removed from the main game?

Hell, maybe we're both wrong and there's more than one Prothean....which wouldn't surprise me to be honest.

Maybe. the Description suggests the character is something you have to buy. Plus, EA games has done this before.

Either way, if you don't have evidence about your claim please stop saying it. You're adding dishonesty to the argument.

Very well. My apologies.

............
............
............
............So?

Where's your evidence?

Specify. Which claims do you want evidence of.

That they've removed the Prothean from the main game only to include it as DLC in order to milk more money out of people.

Leaks suggest it was part of the original game.

DLC says = Get "additional" character and squadmate.

seems pretty damn conclusive to me. Not to mention the whole pattern and trend argument. EA games has been doing this for awhile and they do stand to make a huge profit from it. an additional 20 bucks.

there is more proof that i could show you that says it was worked on after the game done the leaks may say that there is one in the game but what if he wasn't recruitable till they made the dlc how can you be sure your on the right side

 

[Loop Stricken]

this is the new project 10 dollar soon every game that comes from EA even bought new will have a 10 dollar DLC and if we let it slide it will just start to get more and more ridiculous because EA's mission is to take as much money from people as possible

That's not even what Project Ten Dollar is. The point was that people who buy USED copies would have to pay extra to get something that new copies got automatically. And I'm fine with that.
if the Prothean DLC was like that, then that would be fine.

 

[Loop Stricken]

I'm not even going to get into explaining how piracy is not theft.

Hah... Haaahhah.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAH....
ooh...

Oh wow.

To be fair, he's right. Piracy isn't theft. Theft necessitates deprivation. Piracy implies duplication.

 

[Akexi]

According to Jessica Merizan the Prothean character only gives his own viewpoint on things already happening in the base game.

He isn't some scientist who knows all this stuff, he was just a porthean solider.

Which is nice that he is not incredibly story pivotal in his dialogue, but the issue exists is that his very existence is important. The only known living, uncorrupted, unindoctrinated prothean is extremely important to ME fans. I mean the species is just talked about so much in the entire series and to have the prothean not even seen in the standard edition is just dumb.

 

[Loethlin]

Right. Piracy is like food replicator in Star Trek!
You feed it the molecular components and it just MIRACULOUSLY gives you what you want!
Yeah, that's not robbing the industry of the profits. AT ALL!

You just go on, continue guessing and be outraged that EVIL CORPORATIONS demand money for DLCs.

 

[cieply]

Hah... Haaahhah.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAH....
ooh...

Oh wow.

Yeah, that's not robbing the industry of the profits. AT ALL!

Ook, in response to you insightful rebbutal let me bite. I assume in your eyes I'm a thief already so maybe you'll listen to someone else, who is generally very likable and is a respectable fella'

Spoiler

That's on moral grounds as I assume you are educated enough a person to know that from a legal standpoint you are as wrong as you can be.

 

[anthony87]

The only known living, uncorrupted, unindoctrinated prothean.

That's something I've been wondering actually. How do we know there's only one Prothean? They were "wiped out" by the Reapers over a millennia ago by the time of the ME games. I find it incredibly unlikely that only a single one managed to survive alone for all that time.

 

[Tony2077]

I'm not even going to get into explaining how piracy is not theft.

Hah... Haaahhah.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAH....
ooh...

Oh wow.

He's right though. Piracy is more of a grey issue than black and white.

*snip*

But yet when it was just a Collector's Edition add on, it was a-ok? That's the bit that makes me laugh about this arguement, people forgot all about it until it was available to buy for everyone.

Who cares how people figured it out. I find it ironic that in EA games attempt to milk more cash, they've threatened their own revenue. Good for them. stop this bullshit EA games. there is no reason on disc content should be denied to me.

Really? Are you still beating this drum? Your point has been made a billion times, I'm quite aware of how you feel about this, I'm merely pointing out the irony in this arguement.

Look, as I've said before, I do see your point, but this is a moot arguement. All I see is 100 people saying "It was developed after the game was finished!" and another 100 saying "Don't be an idiot, it was cut out!" and then both sides demanding proof from the other.

I have yet to see this proof anywhere.

I personally think that times are tough, people need to put in more effort purely to keep their jobs, this includes the gaming industry, I'm all up for the development team doing this and putting out optional content for money for this very reason. I also respect a lot of people don't want to pay for it and will boycot the game for it. That's fine, it's your money and your choice.

What I do object to however is people calling us idiots because we're doing what we like with our money, that's not right. Capcom and Activision make AAA titles and do this shit all the time, but you have yet to see me (or anyone else for that matter) make a million threads slagging them off. I personally won't buy them if I don't believe they're worth it, simple as that.

I've mentioned before, the DLC was slated as Collector's Edition only originally, the Protheans probably won't mean much to someone who's playing Mass Effect for the first time, and anyone else is likely to have played since the first game, be really big fans and tried landing themselves a copy of the big, juicy edition with all the lovely extra bits in it. I think the Prothean is a good squad mate to add baring this in mind.

Unfortunately I see people far too opinionated to accept other people have different opinions that, shock horror, aren't the same as theirs. This happens so much in the gaming community lately it's not even funny. It's getting to the point where it's elitest and, in more extreme cases, bullying. Yet (and I'm not saying everyone who disagrees with Bioware/EA are like this, but there are alot) these are the same people who slam game companies for trying to push their consumers in a direction they want?

Sad times.

Do whatever you want with your money. put it all in a jar and send it down the river for as much as I care. However, I wont have people like you coming in here adding dishonesty to the discussion. No, both side aren't equal, especially on the whole evidence thing.


1. Leak suggestion part of plot early on.
2. come janurary "oh shit it's a DLCCCCCC"
3. A very relevant character is a DLC. this is not some fucking no name mercenary. its a living a breathing prothean, everyone should get this!

The other side:

1. DO U HAS THE GAME? OMGOMGOMGOGMOGM PROOF PROOF PROOF.
2. SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL
3. OMG I PAID FOR IT.

you make it sound like we're retarded when we're going by what bioware people are saying. the leak is real but where is the proof that he was recruitable like the one in this dlc

 

[Dr. Crawver]

As true as your point is, I am willing to take the risk on it for this game. If it was a game I was on the fence about buying, like dragon age, I'd definitely refuse to buy it, at least for a good half a year, or buy it second hand, but I have always loved mass effect, got a number of the novels too, I simply can't do it for this one. I'm just going to have my fingers crossed

So if it does end up being as bad as previous will you buy it again if they do it again or make even 20-30$ worth of DLC on the launch?

This is genius. But I have to disagree a little; we are not entitled to the content. EA has the right to sell the game in how many pieces they want to.

It has to be a series I really like to get me to take this sort of risk on it, so chances are, no, I wouldn't bite next time if I'm burned this time around, since this is the last in the ME franchise


We're entitled to the game because we pay money. Yes, they have the 'right' but it's incredibly exploitative at best.[/quote]

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Yeah, sure. Let's believe them. Or not. Seems to me like this is an obvious lie but whatever.

 

[poiuppx]

I'm really sorry you don't understand this, but then again, I don't really have to save this sinking ship. There is another vessel nearby. One with black sails and skull on them.

Wrong. Utterly wrong. There is no 'ship' to board. There is a leech, a vile parasite, which makes your decision to echo Andrew Ryan all the more ironic. Pirates contribute nothing. They make nothing. If piracy destroyed a studio, the pirates would not be the ones to pick up the licenses and start making new games. Even a virus has the good taste to replicate itself.

Look, you wanna be angry about EA/Bioware's choices about ME3? Fine. Get angry. Get mad. Rant, rave, curse the gods. But the only choice you have is to buy it or not to buy it. That is ALL you are in this great chain. You do not make the game. You have no power except your own wallet. I commend you for deciding to vote with it, but I condemn you for deciding you're still entitled to the sweat of another man's brow without compensation.

You want to show you have morals and that the devs can't dick you around? Then spend your money and time on something else. But don't you DARE think you have any kind of moral ground when you take from someone else without compensation just because you feel slighted. Capitalism doesn't mean shit to a tree when piracy is viewed as an alternative, and all sentiment like that does is make sure the future is one with locked-down DRM-riddled releases, a future where things like no-used-copy consoles won't be a rumor, they'll be a fact, a future where always-online DRM continues to bite the consumer in the ass.

But hey, what do pirates care? They're safe, suckling on the blood of the industry, and there'll always be more devs to suckle on without giving back. It's just the people who actually do feed the industry who get to suffer, and when that pool dries up, I promise, those who will cry the hardest and longest will be the parasites who never gave a damn thing back to begin with.

 

[Loethlin]

Right, but books is different. Can you appreciate the feel and the smell of paper and print paint? Can you enjoy the sound of pages turning? I can. People who actually enjoy literature, like I do, know the difference.
I know what Mr Gaiman saying and he is absolutely right.

Video games is not this.
Tell me. If you can pirate a game, would you be compelled to buy it? If you knew that all that the game has to offer and is right at your fingertips, would you be willing to spend money on it?
Some people might.
Some people might not.
Thing is, if you won't, you ARE stealing.

 

[Tony2077]

I'm not even going to get into explaining how piracy is not theft.

Hah... Haaahhah.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAH....
ooh...

Oh wow.

He's right though. Piracy is more of a grey issue than black and white.

*snip*

But yet when it was just a Collector's Edition add on, it was a-ok? That's the bit that makes me laugh about this arguement, people forgot all about it until it was available to buy for everyone.

Who cares how people figured it out. I find it ironic that in EA games attempt to milk more cash, they've threatened their own revenue. Good for them. stop this bullshit EA games. there is no reason on disc content should be denied to me.

Really? Are you still beating this drum? Your point has been made a billion times, I'm quite aware of how you feel about this, I'm merely pointing out the irony in this arguement.

Look, as I've said before, I do see your point, but this is a moot arguement. All I see is 100 people saying "It was developed after the game was finished!" and another 100 saying "Don't be an idiot, it was cut out!" and then both sides demanding proof from the other.

I have yet to see this proof anywhere.

I personally think that times are tough, people need to put in more effort purely to keep their jobs, this includes the gaming industry, I'm all up for the development team doing this and putting out optional content for money for this very reason. I also respect a lot of people don't want to pay for it and will boycot the game for it. That's fine, it's your money and your choice.

What I do object to however is people calling us idiots because we're doing what we like with our money, that's not right. Capcom and Activision make AAA titles and do this shit all the time, but you have yet to see me (or anyone else for that matter) make a million threads slagging them off. I personally won't buy them if I don't believe they're worth it, simple as that.

I've mentioned before, the DLC was slated as Collector's Edition only originally, the Protheans probably won't mean much to someone who's playing Mass Effect for the first time, and anyone else is likely to have played since the first game, be really big fans and tried landing themselves a copy of the big, juicy edition with all the lovely extra bits in it. I think the Prothean is a good squad mate to add baring this in mind.

Unfortunately I see people far too opinionated to accept other people have different opinions that, shock horror, aren't the same as theirs. This happens so much in the gaming community lately it's not even funny. It's getting to the point where it's elitest and, in more extreme cases, bullying. Yet (and I'm not saying everyone who disagrees with Bioware/EA are like this, but there are alot) these are the same people who slam game companies for trying to push their consumers in a direction they want?

Sad times.

Do whatever you want with your money. put it all in a jar and send it down the river for as much as I care. However, I wont have people like you coming in here adding dishonesty to the discussion. No, both side aren't equal, especially on the whole evidence thing.


1. Leak suggestion part of plot early on.
2. come janurary "oh shit it's a DLCCCCCC"
3. A very relevant character is a DLC. this is not some fucking no name mercenary. its a living a breathing prothean, everyone should get this!

The other side:

1. DO U HAS THE GAME? OMGOMGOMGOGMOGM PROOF PROOF PROOF.
2. SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL
3. OMG I PAID FOR IT.

you make it sound like we're retarded when we're going by what bioware people are saying. the leak is real but where is the proof that he was recruitable like the one in this dlc

Dude, going by what Bioware says IS RETARDED. All of them are on the payroll dude. They can not say negative things about their product. Some of them are even paid to decieve and lie to you. Trusting their word is utterly stupid.

AND THEYVE LIED BEFORE DUDE. COME ON, MAN. YOU'RE BETTER THAN THIS.

you have less creditability to me then they do so I'll believe them and you haven't really shown me anything to make me think other wise. there on the payroll mean there closer to this then you are so kindly give me some concrete facts or stop before your hole gets too big and you say something that gets you modded

 

[Tony2077]

and uuuh... did you PLAN for work on it to start only once the main game was finished bioware?

What relevance does that have? Unless you're suggesting that by merely planning DLC, it should be included in the game at release (or available for free or whatever). You can't be suggesting that though, because that's utterly ridiculous.

They intended the prothean to be apart of the ORIGINAL GAME and NOT A DLC. Seeing as its in the freaking leaks. Then some suit over at ea game was like "oh no lets make this a dlc because the fans will go ape shit for it"
Thats what wrong with it.

They are right about one thing. They got our attention

THE

PROTHEAN

IS

STILL

IN

THE

GAME!

THE

DLC

MAKES

HIM

A

SQUADMATE!

Has there been official confirmation of this? Cause all i've heard are scripts. Which to me is stupid, because of course the lines of a day one dlc will be in the script

The lines of the DLC couldn't be in the script because production on the DLC hadn't begun until after ME3 was completed.

So basically you have no idea how the prothean interacts in the game. The only thing we know (and not absolutely) is that The prothean squadmate was an idea from early november. That was removed because they wanted to squeeze more money out of guillable fans.

I've asked time and time again for confirmation on relevant dialogue and no one has given me evidence. If you are willing to shout "OMG PROTHEAN STILL IN DA GAME" I WANT TO SEE PROOF OF THAT.
Or shall I put it like this


SHOW
ME
THE
EVIDENCE

Haven't got any. Unfortunately all I've got is speculation until I've got the game. Call it a knee-jerk reaction if you will.

Do you have any evidence that the Prothean HAS in fact been removed from the main game?

Hell, maybe we're both wrong and there's more than one Prothean....which wouldn't surprise me to be honest.

Maybe. the Description suggests the character is something you have to buy. Plus, EA games has done this before.

Either way, if you don't have evidence about your claim please stop saying it. You're adding dishonesty to the argument.

Very well. My apologies.

............
............
............
............So?

Where's your evidence?

Specify. Which claims do you want evidence of.

That they've removed the Prothean from the main game only to include it as DLC in order to milk more money out of people.

Leaks suggest it was part of the original game.

DLC says = Get "additional" character and squadmate.

seems pretty damn conclusive to me. Not to mention the whole pattern and trend argument. EA games has been doing this for awhile and they do stand to make a huge profit from it. an additional 20 bucks.

there is more proof that i could show you that says it was worked on after the game done the leaks may say that there is one in the game but what if he wasn't recruitable till they made the dlc how can you be sure your on the right side

I've seen EA games do this before. They profit from doing this and the evidence I see points to it. I dont want this to go any further. This is completely ridiculous. The game is not released yet, but they are working on DLC's already? Polish the blasted game, stop trying to milk me even before the release.

you expect them to work on it till the release date if they did that it'd be another month before anyone got there hands on it and that would change the release date so i guess it doesn't do anything for them

 

[Tony2077]

Right, but books is different. Can you appreciate the feel and the smell of paper and print paint? Can you enjoy the sound of pages turning? I can. People who actually enjoy literature, like I do, know the difference.
I know what Mr Gaiman saying and he is absolutely right.

Video games is not this.
Tell me. If you can pirate a game, would you be compelled to buy it? If you knew that all that the game has to offer and is right at your fingertips, would you be willing to spend money on it?
Some people might.
Some people might not.
Thing is, if you won't, you ARE stealing.

Jesus christ man. I'm sure there are like a shitload of active piracy threads. take it there.

you sound like you are in favor of people pirating it

 

[Loethlin]

Jesus christ man. I'm sure there are like a shitload of active piracy threads. take it there.

What was it that you said before? Oh, right:

2. SEE NO EVIL, HEAR NO EVIL

Hypocrite.