BioWare Lifts the Lid on Dragon Age 2 DRM
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No matter how light it is, the fact of the matter is that there is still DRM. I don't know why companies continue to punish their customers that LEGALLY buy the game. Majority of people that are pirating the game aren't taking legal copies and installing them, they are downloading cracks and versions without the DRM on them. I know that companies have the right to defend their intellectual property I'm not sure if that's entirely possible with the zeal of pirates these days. And DRM is definately a good way to piss off people who want to legally buy the game.
Companies are taking the stance that you aren't actually buying the game but leasing it (or licensing) from them. And this I don't agree with. But that's a whole nother issue I guess.
Companies are taking the stance that you aren't actually buying the game but leasing it (or licensing) from them. And this I don't agree with. But that's a whole nother issue I guess.
Which makes Mass Effect 1's DRM "forgiving and light". This pushes me into "buy it when it's in the bargain bins" territory. At least Steam's version is without extra DRM (again, like Mass Effect 1).
well this might be frowned upon but i'm probably going to download it to my brothers computer and my roommates computer, if that means anything. they both wanted to see what the game was like (my roommate is actually one of those people who buys nearly every game in new condition even after i've let him play near the damn whole game.) so i figured with this i could just let them install it there and give it a whirl.Onyx Oblivion said:
Fortunately I'm not buying the PC version. However this sucks for anyone who is. Considering pirates will remove the damn DRM from the game anyway allowing them to play it without any trouble at all, this basically means that only customers are getting screwed over.
Yeah, exactly the attitude I expected. You don't like being treated like a thief... Then stop blaming the companies and start blaming the thieves. Though in your case it seems your supporting the thieves because "I don't want to fill forms out and be on the internet to play".Mcoffey said:
I've not said it does much of anything to counter piracy, not once. I said its at least an attempt at doing something. I know DRM can be cracked in a matter of hours... Do you not think I read? Still they do it because its better than doing nothing. There not doing it to simply look good, they are doing it to at least try to prevent it. Again for the third time, doing something that may or may not draw away customers purely for show is counter intuitive... Do you not think that developers would still be using it if it was just for show? Do you think that they'd actually intentionally draw away costumers just so they can look good? It makes very little sense. They'd be no benefit to it.Mcoffey said:
I imagine its doing something, otherwise there wouldn't be much of a point in using it.
That being said, I'm not a full supporter of DRM. I don't think its the best way of prevention and it is a pain in the arse for the customer. I think they could find other means. However I'm not shaking my fists in the air at the big companies having to use this. I'm shaking my fists at the pirates who, because of them, we have this. Seems that these people are the good guys though in the eyes of the internet.
Only for single player offline games. Its easier to track people who are playing online with pirated games and thus easier to prevent. Meaning that creating a game for the consoles is less likely to lead in piracy. Which is why FPS's are the big guns now... Because people like to play online and shoot, they can't do that for long on pirated FPS games and thus they are safe investments.Mcoffey said:
Also what the fuck EA? What happened to your simple disk-check with Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age, and Bad Company 2? What happened with those? They were fine, I didn't need a connection for those, except maybe an online check at install(which is still bullshit of the highest degree), why the fuck are you upping it?!
And if its not EA and its Bioware, then WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS!?
And if its not EA and its Bioware, then WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS!?
Pretty much this and I'm getting it on Xbox so I wonder what nonsense I have to worry about. Probably something similar.Sovvolf said:
Isn't it ironic that I use cracked EXEs for all games I buy?
With Steam it's different. It's very useful that you don't need to handle any installations or whatever and it's a nice online platform; just remember your password. And no idiotic limitations (that I've come into contact with, as opposed to EA & co) as long as you're the one who uses your account.
But otherwise, F U DRM. I buy the games I like, so why do I need to cope with this crap. I really don't care for what the excuses are; my games get ruined. MY games. Not the people's from your excuses.
With Steam it's different. It's very useful that you don't need to handle any installations or whatever and it's a nice online platform; just remember your password. And no idiotic limitations (that I've come into contact with, as opposed to EA & co) as long as you're the one who uses your account.
But otherwise, F U DRM. I buy the games I like, so why do I need to cope with this crap. I really don't care for what the excuses are; my games get ruined. MY games. Not the people's from your excuses.
The best way to combat piracy is to make games that are good enough to make a notorious copyright infringement junkie want to actually buy the game, because the developers deserve the money.
BioWare is guilty of this, and I love them.
BioWare is guilty of this, and I love them.
I think it's more the fact that it's easier to blame a publisher as the face of evil than the face in the mirror. If we stopped accepting piracy, and by that I mean if we started to shun and ostracize people who pirated games, then piracy would be much less of an issue today.Sovvolf said:
Yet still, you have a point. I'm just waiting for when publishers stop providing online copies so you have to buy every game in person, and get a real disc, that you have to keep in the system to play. then, all they have to do to stop pirating is bring the law down on any file-share site that has their game at all, and check for modding of systems to play the game without disc.
Your right. Pirates are the main problem. Most of the time, they're assholes with an overinflated sense of entitlement.Sovvolf said:
That being said, trying to beat them by putting shitloads of copy-protection on games that punish legitimate consumers is not the way to go about this. There are better ways to go about it, and they're going the "lets just be bigger dicks" route.
Yes pirates are assholes, but publishers are acting just as assholish as pirates. So forgive me if I'm not sympathetic.
Yet another blow has been stricken against piracy! I only wonder exactly how easy they will shrug this one off. Will it be 2 hours or 2 weeks?
I wonder why people even bother with DRM. The only actual DRM would be a DNA licensing machine. When you buy a legitimate copy it is directly linked to your genetic code and will only function if you log in with that machine. Even than the code is not flawless because it can be duplicated it will just take time before DNA sequencing becomes so standardized you can literally do it in mere seconds.
In short DRM is a massive waste of time, costs money and your just being scammed by the people that develop DRM. Those are the REAL pirates. Willingly conning you out of money for a security system that will be cracked within 2 weeks. The only good DRM is no DRM. Pirates won't buy your games if you lock them down. They crack the fucking safe and steal it. All your doing is BUYING software for millions of dollars that they can destroy as entertainment!
This does not mean that I support piracy. O no fuck those ass holes. They are the reason DRM exists in the first place. But even so I will be putting on my tricorn and hook and get on cracking Dragon Age 2 the very second it comes in the door. I bought my legit copy with my money and you can go fuck yourself if you think I am going to be routinely checking in to play my game.
I wonder why people even bother with DRM. The only actual DRM would be a DNA licensing machine. When you buy a legitimate copy it is directly linked to your genetic code and will only function if you log in with that machine. Even than the code is not flawless because it can be duplicated it will just take time before DNA sequencing becomes so standardized you can literally do it in mere seconds.
In short DRM is a massive waste of time, costs money and your just being scammed by the people that develop DRM. Those are the REAL pirates. Willingly conning you out of money for a security system that will be cracked within 2 weeks. The only good DRM is no DRM. Pirates won't buy your games if you lock them down. They crack the fucking safe and steal it. All your doing is BUYING software for millions of dollars that they can destroy as entertainment!
This does not mean that I support piracy. O no fuck those ass holes. They are the reason DRM exists in the first place. But even so I will be putting on my tricorn and hook and get on cracking Dragon Age 2 the very second it comes in the door. I bought my legit copy with my money and you can go fuck yourself if you think I am going to be routinely checking in to play my game.
I guess it would be a start but the problem is that they will always slip through. Maybe under a different guise. I do imagine it will hinder it though. That being said... A large crackdown could also hurt innocents too, I mean... File sharing sites aren't just for pirating. We have people who like to legitimately share files, some times its home-made movies, music and such.spartan231490 said:
Hence why I said any file-sharing site that has the game which has no legal online copies. means that it is definitely pirated. Suddenly file-sharing sites will have a reason to add some minor protection. Of course it won't stop all of them, but it will stop more than DRM does.Sovvolf said:
Also, I pointed out in another post that it would be a huge step for people who don't pirate to shun anyone they know who does. Once again, won't stop everyone, but many people care more about what their friends think of them than about getting a free game.
I agree and admit that DRM is not the way to go about it. They need a much better system, this is punishing the customers true enough and I don't find it fair at all. However, people are putting the blame squarely on the companies who are just trying to protect their property. Very few are pointing their fingers at the real bad guys here, the worse thing about it is that people are actually cheering these people on.Irridium said: