You must be new to this and any other website. ME2 was as "critically" acclaimed as Too Human. My complaint was cut-scene/chest high walls/cut-scene (oh and the completely dumbed-down inventory system). It wasn't even a GOOD Gears of War rip-off. And, because you're new, that was a complaint from a lot of people. Welcome to the internet by the wayZeriah said:
I've been here since March 2009 friend. ME2 is more critically acclaimed than ME1 by fans and critics alike. This is fact. If you took five minutes to research your claims instead spouting out this absurdity, you would see this. Even this community likes ME2 more than ME1. There's been so many polls that support this (for example the annual, enormous, greatest game of all time thread, where ME2 is always ranked significantly higher than ME1), that you have missed all this means you don't know this website very well. There is a small minority that did like the supermarket clerk gameplay of ME1's inventory system, but more people liked ME2's system. This is because ME1's system wasn't complex at all -- just a tedious chore. Then you would go out into the actual combat and be disappointed because it required little effort on your part once you exited the menu screen. The combat in ME1 was incredibly shallow, even on insanity, hence why people overall prefer ME2.Nimzabaat said:You must be new to this and any other website. ME2 was as "critically" acclaimed as Too Human. My complaint was cut-scene/chest high walls/cut-scene (oh and the completely dumbed-down inventory system). It wasn't even a GOOD Gears of War rip-off. And, because you're new, that was a complaint from a lot of people. Welcome to the internet by the wayZeriah said:
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So you completely missed the whole "ME2 is the beginning of the end for Bioware" rants? ALL of them? That's a huge rock to be living under. I wonder if you get intern... Oh, apparently not. ME2 brought out the first wave of "EA has destroyed Bioware". Followed up by DA2, the second wave of said bitching. Then followed again by ME3, and an even bigger wave of bitching. (Oh and SWTOR was in there somewhere too). Critics did say good things about ME2, but they're paid too, so that doesn't count. Hell, they said the same good things about ME3. (the closest thing to an honest critic is Yahtzee and most people don't use his reviews as a buying guide). Non-Bioware fans also said good things about ME2. But realistically, ME2 was Bioware's first big "F**K YOU" to their fanbase. Once again, followed up by an "and your mother too" with DA2... Yeah that's a mighty big rock.Zeriah said:I've been here since March 2009 friend. ME2 is more critically acclaimed than ME1 by fans and critics alike. This is fact. If you took five minutes to research your claims would see this. Even this community likes ME2 more than ME1. There's been so many polls that support this (for example the annual, enormous, greatest game of all time thread, where ME2 is always ranked significantly higher than ME1), that you have missed all this means you don't know this website very well. There's a small minority that did like the supermarket clerc gameplay of ME1's inventory system. However it required very little thought to understand, it wasn't complex at all -- just tedious. Then you would go out to into actual combat and it required no effort on your part whatsoever. The combat in ME1 was incredibly shallow, even on insanity. Hence why people overall prefer ME2.Nimzabaat said:You must be new to this and any other website. ME2 was as "critically" acclaimed as Too Human. My complaint was cut-scene/chest high walls/cut-scene (oh and the completely dumbed-down inventory system). It wasn't even a GOOD Gears of War rip-off. And, because you're new, that was a complaint from a lot of people. Welcome to the internet by the wayZeriah said:
So yes, I prefer actually needing to direct your squad, using your abilities in a tactical way and yes, even the use of chest high walls because bullets are actual threats (unlike the nigh invulnerability of ME1) more than ME1 and thankfully the public overall agrees with this
Some people were upset about losing the chore of the inventory system, I do remember this. However as I said, more people liked ME2, just take a look at any poll. There was a bit of an initial circle jerk by disgruntled fans of clerk simulation. However these were always promptly interrupted by the reasonable majority. Critics liked ME2 more, fans liked ME2 more and this website likes ME2 more. Deal with it.Nimzabaat said:So you completely missed the whole "ME2 is the beginning of the end for Bioware" rants? ALL of them? That's a huge rock to be living under. I wonder if you get intern... Oh, apparently not. ME2 brought out the first wave of "EA has destroyed Bioware". Followed up by DA2, the second wave of said bitching. Then followed again by ME3, and an even bigger wave of bitching. (Oh and SWTOR was in there somewhere too). Critics did say good things about ME2, but they're paid too, so that doesn't count. Hell, they said the same good things about ME3. (the closest thing to an honest critic is Yahtzee and most people don't use his reviews as a buying guide). Non-Bioware fans also said good things about ME2. But realistically, ME2 was Bioware's first big "F**K YOU" to their fanbase. Once again, followed up by an "and your mother too" with DA2... Yeah that's a mighty big rock.Zeriah said:I've been here since March 2009 friend. ME2 is more critically acclaimed than ME1 by fans and critics alike. This is fact. If you took five minutes to research your claims would see this. Even this community likes ME2 more than ME1. There's been so many polls that support this (for example the annual, enormous, greatest game of all time thread, where ME2 is always ranked significantly higher than ME1), that you have missed all this means you don't know this website very well. There's a small minority that did like the supermarket clerc gameplay of ME1's inventory system. However it required very little thought to understand, it wasn't complex at all -- just tedious. Then you would go out to into actual combat and it required no effort on your part whatsoever. The combat in ME1 was incredibly shallow, even on insanity. Hence why people overall prefer ME2.Nimzabaat said:You must be new to this and any other website. ME2 was as "critically" acclaimed as Too Human. My complaint was cut-scene/chest high walls/cut-scene (oh and the completely dumbed-down inventory system). It wasn't even a GOOD Gears of War rip-off. And, because you're new, that was a complaint from a lot of people. Welcome to the internet by the wayZeriah said:
So yes, I prefer actually needing to direct your squad, using your abilities in a tactical way and yes, even the use of chest high walls because bullets are actual threats (unlike the nigh invulnerability of ME1) more than ME1 and thankfully the public overall agrees with this
Oh and ME had a very functional and elegant cover system that didn't feel at all like you were playing Gears of War. Just saying.
It was better than having two pistols, one of which may have been better than the other but without stats how would you know? It was better than, "look! I found something I can hack! What's my prize? ... Credits, just credits". It was an RPG without a loot system. I understand that the ME inventory system was a bit much for people not used to RPGs, but to drop looting entirely was a mistake. Bioware even realized the mistake and over-compensated in ME2.J Tyran said:
When you're right, you're right. Nobody on this website had anything bad to say about ME2. Or let me spare a couple of minutes...Zeriah said:
You are missing the point, ME1 had one pistol because every pistol was the same. In ME2 there may only have been two pistols at launch but again you are missing it because neither of those two pistols was "better" because they filled different roles. They where not the exact same pistol in the same 3-4 skins endlessly repeated with no real difference apart from one being a pistol mkI with +1 DPS and a pistol mkII with +2 DPS.Nimzabaat said:
Good sir, those kind of threads are most common on the Escapist when games that have received massive critical acclaim as well as fan approval are released including the months proceeding. It happened with Skyrim's launch. Let's just say that the most popular in media also has the most vocal dissenters, if you will. Mass Effect 2 certainly is the most critically acclaimed of the series and not just because it had the best sales figures. It also received more awards, and fans have since praised it for fixing many of the first one's short comings. It's just the way it is.Nimzabaat said:
So, in your mind, Borderlands would be improved if there were only 10 guns in the whole game? Diablo would be improved if there was only a dozen items for you to pick up? Let me guess, you'd write an adventure game where a player picks up "the sword" and is then done for inventory? What about being able to give your squad armour and upgrades? Optimizing your character and your team to be the best they can be is part of RPGs. Oh and ME had several different types of weapons in each category with different capabilities and better variants. Also note that they brought that back in ME3 because so many people were asking for it.J Tyran said:
Well thanks for changing your tune at least. The deceptive thing about ME2s sales figures is that they were based off of people (like me) expecting it to be an improvement over ME. Which it wasn't. And some people (like me) were upset about being duped, suckered, played for fools etc. In the only industry that does not allow returns (I wanted to give ME2 back after 30 min) not everything is black and white. But it was a big hit with the Gears of War fans!TheDrunkNinja said:
You know I didn't say nobody on the Escapist had anything negative to say about ME2, don't be that guy. Of course some did, there's even people that say bad things about Portal and Half-Life 2.Nimzabaat said:
My tune? I don't know what you mean. This is the first time I've written to you.Nimzabaat said:
There was an odd error when I quoted you. Read my response above this post, please.Nimzabaat said:
Mass Effect 2 blatantly ripped off the "roadie run" from Gears of War. It was a Gears of War THING. Blatant rip-off is blatant. Um... yeah I can't make that any clearer.TheDrunkNinja said:
Well, actually, a large chunk of ME/ME2's core staff members left just before or during ME3's production. The man who programmed a large majority of the dialogue wheel conversations (his first name was Armando), Brent Knowles, Karpyshyn and a ton of others left, leaving Hudson and Walters as the only two senior members who had anything major to do with the original game.wombat_of_war said:
I made no mention of any Gears of War "roadie run". I don't play Gears of War and have never heard of it in anything Mass Effect related. If it is a ripoff, then it is the first time I've ever heard of it, thus I have no opinion on it. Either way, the only thing Gears of War related that I mentioned was the fact that you seemed to be so rooted in believing that the only people who like Mass Effect 2 are the lowly Gears of War fans that you think so poorly of. And again, I will say that your opinion of Mass Effect 2, while valid, is not shared by the general public, and it is not because everyone who likes Mass Effect 2 is one of those "stupid Gears fans" that your ignorant judgements have led you to believe so readily. And I still find such a judgement to be distasteful as you have yet to say you think otherwise, sir.Nimzabaat said:
If you don't mind me asking, I do question the validity of the "true story" that you just claimed. I don't recall such a radical price drop, nor would one make any sense on Bioware's part considering in the first week of release Mass Effect 2 had incredible financial success. You were eager to give links as proof of your argument (though they were easily dismissed considering the context that they were put in), and I gave you the courtesy of backing up my claim of Mass Effect 2 having the best sales of the three.Nimzabaat said:
Now, this last point is one that made me extremely perplexed at the whole post and thus led me to believe that you must have been confused when you wrote it. It surprised me when you started making these wild accusations that I believed that you were the only one with complaints or that the game was infallible in any way. I recall stating quite clearly:Nimzabaat said:
I never denied that you were the "only one". Nor did I deny that your complaints were in anyway invalid:
My entire point is that not being the "only one" with a complaint about a game does not mean the game is a critical failure. All games receive criticism and complaints. To think otherwise is foolhardy. But as I said multiple times already, the games with the most critical reception always have the most vocal dissenters.