Birth or Ethnicity?

[Same River New Water]

Skarin, that block quote is major TL;DR material. A few improvements:

1) Give it an introductory paragraph, don't just drop us in the middle of a sentence, especially since it begins with a conjunction and continues with a really long-ass multiple-clause sentence.

2) Break it up into paragraphs, with a line break between each one.

3) Cut it down to the essential text, and put the rest behind a spoiler box (see below) or a link to the source material.

4) Attribute who you're quoting.

Spoiler

To make a spoiler box like this one, the code is (spoiler)text(/spoiler), but with square brackets.

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ON TOPIC: This whole argument depends on your subjective definition of the key words: "race", "ethnicity" and "environment" at least. Words have flexible meanings, and until you pin them down for the purpose of the discussion, you'll end up talking at cross purposes, like you just did with MaxTheReaper. Neither of you are wrong, you're just defining your words differently.

Thanks for the heads up, that was actually a cut down version of a lecture slide from a history lecture. I'll probably edit out the essentials as I go along but for now I'll make it much shorter.

Cool beans. Also I fixed the text in the spoiler box - it turns out square brackets and triangle brackets both work!

 

[ace_of_something]

My father is a European immigrant sort of, (he moved here when he was two) I have 2nd cousins (see your parents cousins) who behave and act completely differently than my dad and his siblings. I think the culture you're raised in effects you a lot more then your blood.

 

[Nick Bounty]

"Race" is a self-constructed label that comes as a result of the socialization process. Genetics + culture = race. Birth is irrelevant, since you may not be socialized in such a way to be fitted into the pre-set "groups" (race).

Basically its a flimsy thing that has genetic (person being black, white, yellow, high cheekbones, etc; similarity or difference to a particular group), and social aspects. To most reasonable people, "race" shouldn't even matter. In terms of addressing a definition perhaps striving away all petty notions of ethnocentricism is the best definition one can put. If no one cared about what race was what, conflicts would never have happened and we would never have known racism.

 

[theklng]

I don't recognize "race" except for the human race.
You can make the argument that different skin colours/physical features makes a race, but I will ignore you.
Because I can.
So I guess the answer is: I pick a third option.
/such a rebel

i agree, race shouldn't be defined at all other than "human".

What are you on about?. It is referred as "human" what other race is there?..Protoss?

"black" or "asian" or "caucasian" or "white"?

i didn't say species, i said race.

 

[Abedeus]

Race? I'm homo sapiens. The black guy is homo sapiens. The Asian is homo sapiens.

One dog is black. The other is white. But they are the same species.

Pigments don't determine your species. Because all humans are of the same race, species and subspecies.


Oh, btw - Two different races can't have children.

 

[Aardvark Soup]

Race? I'm homo sapiens. The black guy is homo sapiens. The Asian is homo sapiens.

One dog is black. The other is white. But they are the same species.

Pigments don't determine your species. Because all humans are of the same race, species and subspecies.


Oh, btw - Two different races can't have children.

Actually, two different races can have children. Two different species can't. But for the rest I agree with you. The colour of your skin or country your ancestors were born in don't say anything about you as a person. Of course there are cultural differences between people but those are usually based on the country someone was born or spend most of his/her life in.

 

[Abedeus]

Race? I'm homo sapiens. The black guy is homo sapiens. The Asian is homo sapiens.

One dog is black. The other is white. But they are the same species.

Pigments don't determine your species. Because all humans are of the same race, species and subspecies.


Oh, btw - Two different races can't have children.

Actually, two different races can have children. Two different species can't. But for the rest I agree with you. The colour of your skin or country your ancestors were born in don't say anything about you as a person. Of course there are cultural differences between people but those are usually based on the country someone was born or spend most of his/her life in.

Right, right, it's been a long time since I had that at school.

 

[theklng]

Hey, the neither race nor birth really matters, we're all human,

That was never the question. I don't personally believe they matter either but the question was what do you consider to be the reference point if you were to judge your self. Do you see your self from a decent point of view or from a birth point of view?

how about if you see yourself as neither? i don't associate with neither country of residence, race or country of birth. nothing is just black and white, why only present two options?