BIT.TRIP Dev Gaijin Games Changes Name to Avoid Racial Slur

Cerebrawl

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Flunk said:
Even the most polite word for "you" is considered mildly impolite.
Maybe paradoxically, too polite to be polite? Since they have a very polite word for it, but it can be seen as too polite/formal. Anata. It's what all the learn japanese classes teach you to use, if you're to use a word.

However japanese being what it is, you can usually omit the "you" without damaging the meaning of the sentence, as long as there is context(it's obvious who you're addressing, as in a one on one conversation). Omitting words is common in regular japanese vernacular, especially informally.
 

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So today i leanrd there are Gaijin Games AND Gaijin Entertainment and they are BOTH IN RUSSIA. also apparently somehow "foreigner" is now offensive.
And all this time i thought you were talking about War Thunder creator, since, you know, these guys got pretty big player base in comparison to most games.
 

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its a good thing they did this, the name of their company was the #1 thing that kept me from buying their games, now, im just left with the #2 reason of i don't like their games.
 

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Callate said:
The term is often just translated as "barbarian".
No, that's "Nanban", translating to "southern barbarian". Although personally, I'd be on board for a company that names themselves "Barbarian Technologies". Or BAR-TEC.

You know what? Fuck it, it's my company name now.
 

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Steven Bogos said:
For a little background, the word "gaijin" comes from the Japanese "gai koku jin" - which translates to "outside country person," or foreigner. When you drop the "koku" from the middle of the word, gaijin takes on the literal meaning of "outside person" or "outsider," and is considered an offensive term by many foreigners living in Japan.
This is commonly believed, but as I understand it factually incorrect. I recall reading somewhere that there is a historical record of Japanese people using gaijin to refer to unknown strangers to their village well before any recorded use of gaikokujin and well before significant international migration would create the need for the word in the first place.

The term is controversial and is avoided by Japanese television broadcasters. To put it to you this way - as a foreigner living in Japan, a Japanese person would never call me gaijin to my face, unless he was looking for a fight.
I would say the term is more controversial because it assumes foreign ethnicity dictates in-group/out-group identity. There are many in-groups I should be recognized as part of based on my participation: my job, my neighborhood, my friends, etc. If people in my in-groups call me a gaikokujin they're factually describing my nationality as not-Japanese. If they call me gaijin what they're implicitly saying is that because of my foreign-looking face, no matter what I do, no matter how much I adapt to this society, no matter how much I contribute to this society, I'm an outsider and unworthy of the group membership many Japanese people receive automatically when they participate in those groups.

A lot of Japanese people don't realize the degree of insult the term entails, largely because they mistakenly believe that it's simply short for gaikokujin. On the other hand, I can't even remember the last time anyone Japanese used that term in my presence. I probably use it far more often when talking with other foreigners as a part of expressions like, "Gaijin bar" or "Gaijin SMASH!"

As for the company now known as "Choice Provisions", well, I suppose it's an alright gesture. I don't know anything about them but just from what I've seen about how Japanese people tend to consume games, I don't know if I expect them to have had any presence in Japan in the first place. So their previously calling themselves "Gaijin Games" may involve a racial slur, but it's not exactly likely to influence Japanese people and make the slur more commonly used. So it's a small gesture, but at least it's a gesture in the right direction.
This was really interesting but I have one question about this. from my (very) limited understanding about Japanese culture, if one doesn't conform, they couldn't start up insult you but do something called Murahachibu which is ostracism by the local community.

It definatly seems that Japan still has a problem with Uchi/Soto and it really does need to resolve it given the immigration issue there.

OT, It's a nice gesture but I do agree. The Japanese market typically is more console and handheld focused than PC focused so I'm not sure "Choice Provisions" had any issues in the first place.
 

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Steven Bogos said:
To put it to you this way - as a foreigner living in Japan, a Japanese person would never call me gaijin to my face, unless he was looking for a fight.
The Chinese (Specifically Mandarin dialect) equivalent is Laowai, which as far as I know, the Chinese will say to your face all the time. Even I say it to my white friends as a playful joke. I would never seriously use that term.

Although, now I'm thinking how hilarious it would be see a game company named "LaoWai Studios" or something.
 

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Izanagi009 said:
This was really interesting but I have one question about this. from my (very) limited understanding about Japanese culture, if one doesn't conform, they couldn't start up insult you but do something called Murahachibu which is ostracism by the local community.
I am unfamiliar with that term but it's no surprise as my Japanese isn't the best. I do have to say though that while ostracism is a common response to social transgressions here, one shouldn't over-exaggerate cultural differences. Japanese people can and do insult each other and other people, especially if the insulting party is in a higher social position. It just may not be read as a direct insult by foreigners because a lot of Japanese criticism in my experience tends to sound like whiney motherly scolding to Anglophone ears.

It definatly seems that Japan still has a problem with Uchi/Soto and it really does need to resolve it given the immigration issue there.
The problem isn't in-group/out-group, really. Every society has that to some degree and there's no objective way to say that one society has the "right" level of in-group/out-group and other societies do it too much. Where Japan struggles is being overly racialist. By which I don't mean that Japan is racist- there are certainly some racist people here but I don't know of any evidence to show they are collectively any more racist than any other society on the planet. But they are overly concerned with racial differences and overly willing to assume that race and culture are inextricably connected.

So it's not a problem if a random Japanese person I see on the street sees me and on the spot decides if I'm part of their in-group or not. That's normal psychological behavior, even if it's often subconscious. The problem is if that person fixates on my whiteness and decides that's more important than any other factor in which group I'm in. And I'd say that's even a problem for the Japanese people who think I'm part of their in-group because I'm white. I see far, far too many Japanese people being naively taken advantage of by unscrupulous foreigners just because the Japanese person is fascinated with foreign cultures and assumes that anyone from any foreign culture must automatically reciprocate that fascination.
Interesting comment on both fronts, I suppose it will take a long while for Japan to stop being so focused on racial differences.
 

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Jasper van Heycop said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
oh come on, sometimes i think the modern world is way too sensitive

bunch of baka gaijins
So you'd be okay with a studio called ****** Games? ***** Inc.? Because that is just about the connotation this word has, just putting it in perspective. Sorry if that language was too shocking for anyone (though that was kind off the point).
if they dont really want to offend anybody, as i assume is the case with these devs

no i wouldnt mind
 

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Jasper van Heycop said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
Jasper van Heycop said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
oh come on, sometimes i think the modern world is way too sensitive

bunch of baka gaijins
So you'd be okay with a studio called ****** Games? ***** Inc.? Because that is just about the connotation this word has, just putting it in perspective. Sorry if that language was too shocking for anyone (though that was kind off the point).
if they dont really want to offend anybody, as i assume is the case with these devs

no i wouldnt mind
OK just asking....

This is the point where I back away slowly...
oh the joys of having been born in a society where racism and segregation pretty much never existed
 

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Makes sense, even just from a business prospective. How many of you would think twice about getting a game from N-Word Studios?

Particularly since BIT.TRIP is an E rated game, why lose sales when a parent sees "Gaijin" on the cover?
 

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Not G. Ivingname said:
oh the joys of having been born in a society where racism and segregation pretty much never existed
Ahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahah haaaah oh man good joke wait you were serious?
 

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James Weaver said:
Not G. Ivingname said:
oh the joys of having been born in a society where racism and segregation pretty much never existed
Ahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahah haaaah oh man good joke wait you were serious?
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That isn't what I said, at ALL.

Somehow you quoted me, instead of the person above me.

Seriously, how did that even happen?

NuclearKangaroo said:
no i wouldnt mind
Can you at least imagine that someone would have a problem with "N-word" studios? Even if you aren't bothered by it, can't you at least imagine someone else deciding not to buy a game if "N-Word Studios" was on the box?