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DracoSuave said:
The removal of privileged unearned because she acted up is not only fair, but it's right.
They broke a promise before she had done anything wrong, that you find this is a good thing is unsettling. Yes she yelled and should not have done so, but who is to blame; the instigating parents offering betrayal, or the hurt daughter reacting as any normal person would?
 

Caligulove

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try to pay for more things for yourself... seriously.
Times are hard and your parents would appreciate it instead of asking for things all of the time. That might be better to help how your parents see you and relate with you.

Because gaming is expensive and... well youre being a dick for reacting that way
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
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"If you can't feel right about playing it in front of me, which you will be doing, then you don't play it."
That's kinda ridiculous--I wouldn't feel comfortable taking a bath in front of my parents, but that doesn't mean I should stop washing.
Not even remotely similar. You need to bathe, you don't need to play a violent video game.
So you believe there is no concept of privacy except for things that you need to do?
When it comes to playing video games, there really doesn't need to be.
Why not?
To respond in a similar fashion. Why does there need to be privacy between parents and their children when playing video games if the child in the situation is underage? Typically, isn't supervision of children while playing games encouraged? I'm certain you will come up with an enjoyable answer that will most assuredly keep me laughing for quite some time. Thank you for the argument by the way, my night was rather boring before this.
How about this then, she provided a slightly skewed version of the game to make her parents more accepting of it. She purposely avoided talking about the assassinations(which were the point of the game) and instead focused on the information retrieval and other aspects of the game. If she is anything like I was back in the day(before I had the discussion with my parents), she simply skipped over some of the parts of the game she knew her parents wouldn't like.
No, she talked about the killing, she just said you do more stealth and unraveling the plot than killing. Is it some perfectly non-partisan judgment? No. However, not much is--I really don't see how it's skewed to describe the game that way: that's how I felt about the game. The fighting is basically like something out of a swashbuckling movie, and the assassinations, well, that IS one of the big criticisms of the game, how you spend so little time actually doing them. Didn't Yahtzee even go on about that in his review?
alright, I'll give you that, in the end, this is entirely subjective. However, the question is how her parents viewed the situation. Based on their response, I believe they viewed it the same way I did. Also, I don't care what yahtzee said. He's an entertainer, not a reviewer. His typical practice is exaggerating the bad parts of any game. Just throwing that last point out there.
I can see you aren't getting the point I'm trying to make here. It's that they trusted her. You can call them idiots for trusting someone they love, fine, at least understand where I'm coming from here.
Yeah, but the question is whether she broke that trust. I don't think she did. And I think people who believe she did are wrong.
Congratulations, you have a belief that differs from the parents in the situation. Can you provide anything useful for dealing with people who do believe she broke their trust instead of just saying they're wrong? If you cannot, then I see no reason for you to be posting here.
I'm sure they will, but, my guess is they're respond *best* to you acting immature in the ways that they want you to be immature.
Care to go a little further into the ways they want you to be immature? What is your view of maturity?
There are probably opinions on things like politics or society you shouldn't express even if you feel them strongly, and the mature thing for two people to do would be to air those opinions out. She's probably better off keeping them to herself.
Good enough answer I suppose. Though I know from first hand experience that speaking to a family member(father) who holds a different political view than me provided a great amount of insight not only for me, but for him. We didn't end it yelling or having privileges revoked. He was completely fine afterwords and actually happy with me having a different political view than him because I did the adult thing and respected his views while interjecting with my own. I think you can have those conversations with a parent so long as you provide the right amount of respect to their views.
That's a valid reason. I don't see a valid reason here, and even if there is one, when you have to break a promise because you screwed up, you don't try and convince the other person it was their fault if it wasn't--you man up, and take responsibility for your actions.
What about when you didn't screw up, what about when you were purposely mislead?
Certainly--being purposely mislead is a valid reason to break a promise; but like I said: I don't see a valid reason here--I don't see anyone purposely mislead.
I'm still contending that based off of my personal experience with the issue(as I seem to find myself drawing close parallels with the OP) she was misleading them or at the very least, avoiding talking about certain parts of the game. She also probably didn't mention that one type of those repetitive side quests involves assassinating guards in a time limit without getting caught. I doubt her parents would have approved of it knowing this.
 

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See if you can borrow the game from somewhere, a friend, a rental-place, whatever, and give it to your dad to play. If he plays it and withdraws his statement, then you're nice and happy. If he doesn't, it's his house, his child, his money. There's little you can do about it and challenging him on his beliefs will get you in a whole load of shit for nothing.

Them's the rules of being a child. To be fair, if you're younger than your profile-age indicates (and from my experience, that's about 20% of people here) then you don't have much of a leg to stand on. You haven't got a God-given right to play the game, in terms of the law you shouldn't be anyway. If you are, however, your profile age, I can't help but wonder why you're parents are so protective. I mean, I'm no expert, but Assassin's Creed is about as gory and offensive as some '15' movies I've seen.
 

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They shouldn't bring religion into it, and isn't denying/withholding food... un-christenlike?
jmorourke80 said:
Do any of your friends already have Assassins Creed?

If so, tell your dad you've been left with no choice and you're going to whore yourself out to make the money to buy the game. Two days later, borrow the game and walk home beaming proudly at your new purchase.

You just have to promise me you'll get a photo of your dad's face and post it here.
Yes fucking please
 

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hes probably not very old so "buy your own stuff" doesnt really fit here. getting a job at any age younger than 18 is very difficult. a decent legal job that is. apologize to them explain it thoroughly if they still wont do it your screwed.
 

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In many cases, that's not true: look up the difference between connotation and denotation.
Yes, they're opposites. Denotation meaning the literal definition where connotation is the implied definitions based upon context, such as "rest" being either relaxing, sleeping or death. Where does 2x =/= 2x? (harkening back to the mathematics) Anyway, this is getting off topic.

I am not aware of any that do so. Maybe I'm just wrong--if so, my apologies. My guess is you're confusing "disregard" with "believing the full message of Love is captured in the legalistic aspects.
I was involved with a Lutheran church for about 6 months that never once spoke of the Love of Christ. Instead the congregation spoke only of hellfire and of the Law. There was no personal relationship with God or Jesus, there was only walking the straight and narrow. Now, granted, this is most likely a result of the pastor and church elders, etc. and probably shouldn't be generalized with the entire denomination, but churches such as this exist. Once again, off-topic at this point. My original statement still stands that their particular idea of Christianity could have bearing on the overreaction. Leave the statement at that. If you don't like how I said it, too bad? Take the context and get over it.

You're accusing me of nitpicking and arguing semantics just to not deal with what I have to say--see how unproductive those sorts of baseless accusations are?
Aye, true! ^_^ About as unproductive as twisting my words out of context or misunderstanding the connotation used. :shrug:
Not necessarily--they might not want to be philanthropic, but still want to be a good parent. They might want to fulfill their duty, but don't have the kind of feelings that other good parents do.

You're confusing someone having a duty with someone being incapable of not doing something. We all "have" to pay our taxes, but that doesn't mean we don't have a lot of tax evaders.
In my frame of thinking, someone who doesn't provide good clothing, healthy and varied nourishment, a proper education (preferably post-secondary), a loving, nurturing and caring environment, etc... to the best of their ability is a bad parent. One who does provide those things is a good parent. What's the argument here?

"Generally a parent is responsible for support of a minor child. This responsibility encompasses the essentials of food, clothing, and shelter, as well as education and medical care.

The parent has the obligation to furnish a home for the child. A parent has the right to use Corporal Punishment, but it must not be so excessive as to constitute child abuse.

A parent's power over his child includes the authority and obligation to oversee medical treatment. A parent will most likely be held guilty of criminal neglect if he disregards the health requirements of his child."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Parent+and+Child

Not once does it list the state of which the clothing, food or shelter must be in (besides basic furnishings).
That doesn't mean you've expressed yourself clearly--maybe they misunderstood you as I did, but they simply agree with the misunderstanding that they came away with.
Or maybe they didn't.
I don't even know what your religion *is* beyond the fact that you're a Christian like me.
It's funny too, because this discussions could take place at almost the exact same level even with out the healthy dose of religion it has.
I disagree.
k...
It always made sense: I just don't think you can compare what the OP said with your scenario about Mortal Kombat--proper analogy would be if they told you there were arms being ripped off and spines being torn out, but that most of the game was punches and kicks and energy balls. The kid didn't fail to mention that there's killing by just watering it down to 'swordfights' the way you did with 'battles' in your example.
Maybe being a parent myself gives me a unique perspective on the situation since I've actually experienced similar scenarios with my own children as this. Any time there is a downplaying of something such as "oh, it's not so bad, really see look!" with an emphasis on a new direction, it generally means there's some funny business going on. Actually, I can't think of one time where there wasn't something fishy going on that that hasn't happened, kind of like slight of the hand that magicians use, except slight of the... video game content? Of course, I only have my own experience to go on and she may be nothing like my boys, but that's all I have to go off of.

This entire debate is a matter of opinion and personal experience. You and I don't see eye to eye on if she mislead her parents. I feel she did because I've heard "descriptions" incredibly similar to her own that had just enough truth but intentionally left out information because of a desire to deceive. Most kids have done that with their parents actually. I know I did, I didn't get away with it though, and neither has she, in my eyes.
No, 'granting that for the sake of argument' assume, not the kind of assumption you're talking about.
k...
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
jboking said:
To respond in a similar fashion. Why does there need to be privacy between parents and their children when playing video games if the child in the situation is underage? Typically, isn't supervision of children while playing games encouraged?
You're confusing 'supervision' with 'doing something in front of your parents.' Just because your parents aren't in the room with you while you do something, that doesn't mean you're doing it unsupervised.
Yes, but why can't your parents be that supervision? Is there something inherently wrong with that or were you just reaching for an argument?
Congratulations, you have a belief that differs from the parents in the situation. Can you provide anything useful for dealing with people who do believe she broke their trust instead of just saying they're wrong?
The facts of the situation? That's...kinda what I've been doing.
The facts of the situation are how you suggest dealing with them? I'll just be plain and say that, by your view of the facts, that probably has already failed(hence the yelling fight she already had)(this also doesn't even being to delve into the idea that facts are viewed through filters each and every one of us develops. We all have natural biases after all and will interpret the facts one way or the other. See: how fox news and MSNBC get such different viewpoints on the same situation and yet they both are [sometimes] telling the truth just looking at it in a different light). Understanding that, how do you deal with them? How do you handle people that view something differently than you do? Do you simply have a, "they're wrong and I'm right, end of story" response or is it possible that your response could be like the ones regarding the arguments we've dropped(see: it's mostly subjective and I will simply have to respect your view on the issue while maintaining my own)?
 

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Rokar333 said:
If you're 19 and you still live with your parents like this, you are a fucking loser..
Yeah, because paying for your house is SO fun. Who cares about saving money? Always got to keep up your mature image.
 

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No allowence, no job because I'm too young, and I've been around my neighbour hood. Nobody wants me to clean their lawns or anything.
You're too young for a job? That makes you younger than 17, so they would be legally in the wrong if they HAD bought you the game. Sorry man, rules is rules.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Borrowed Time said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
In many cases, that's not true: look up the difference between connotation and denotation.
Yes, they're opposites. Denotation meaning the literal definition where connotation is the implied definitions based upon context, such as "rest" being either relaxing, sleeping or death.
That's not what those words mean--really, look them up. They're good to know: not just for trivia purposes, but because being familiar with the concepts will improve your ability to understand and use language. Here's a decent summary based on a quick look:

http://grammar.about.com/od/words/a/connotations.htm




"Generally a parent is responsible for support of a minor child. This responsibility encompasses the essentials of food, clothing, and shelter, as well as education and medical care.

The parent has the obligation to furnish a home for the child. A parent has the right to use Corporal Punishment, but it must not be so excessive as to constitute child abuse.

A parent's power over his child includes the authority and obligation to oversee medical treatment. A parent will most likely be held guilty of criminal neglect if he disregards the health requirements of his child."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Parent+and+Child

Not once does it list the state of which the clothing, food or shelter must be in (besides basic furnishings).
Um, a dictionary is a general guide--it's not meant to be used as an exhaustive resource like you're using it here. For example, there is no right to use corporal punishment in places like Sweden. Laws are going to vary widely by jurisdiction.
Ok, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy here.
You use a link to a dictionary site to back up your point; but when he uses it, you call it a 'general guide'.

Because I see no differnce in usage. So either you are both wrong for using it, or you are wrong for correcting him.

Which is it?
 

Seydaman

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You could try pimp slapping them /sarcasm\
But here is a step by step guide to fixing this:
1) Stop going to church
2) Stop being chrisitian
3) Gain awesomness by becoming athletically fit and able to run several miles without tiring
4) Run to find a job
5) Use running as a form of transportation
6) Buy a bike
7) Use said bike
8) Keep making money and eventually buy AC2
9) Buy a gun
9) Keep saving and get a better job
10) Get an apartment
11) live life
 

AWAR

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haha the average christian family...
IM A BETTER CHRISTIAN THAN YOU!!!lol that makes absolutely no sense..
 

Seydaman

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dietpeachsnapple said:
Hooded-hyena said:
snippiiidtteey
Evidence, I suppose, would be a valuable tool in your situation.

A link to an amazon/ebay page of AC1.

A few key bible verses about how much god likes killing heathons.

A few R rated movies from your father's collection.

And, lastly, a calm demeanor.

You are 'fighting' with adults, so be an adult.
Seems like a good idea, just present your arguement, and if they start talking loud, talk louder, and if that doesn't work, get your shit together and leave, and I am dead serious.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Borrowed Time said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
In many cases, that's not true: look up the difference between connotation and denotation.
Yes, they're opposites. Denotation meaning the literal definition where connotation is the implied definitions based upon context, such as "rest" being either relaxing, sleeping or death.
That's not what those words mean--really, look them up. They're good to know: not just for trivia purposes, but because being familiar with the concepts will improve your ability to understand and use language. Here's a decent summary based on a quick look:

http://grammar.about.com/od/words/a/connotations.htm
Connotation - Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest (burial)
Denotation - rest - the refreshing quiet or repose of sleep: a good night's rest.

Moving on...
If you don't like how I said it, too bad? Take the context and get over it.
That's not relevant to the question of whether it was derogatory.
Wordplay... which really has no bearing on anything besides grasping for an argument that doesn't exist, not to mention assigning a "disliked" context to my word usage.
Not necessarily--they might not want to be philanthropic, but still want to be a good parent. They might want to fulfill their duty, but don't have the kind of feelings that other good parents do.

You're confusing someone having a duty with someone being incapable of not doing something. We all "have" to pay our taxes, but that doesn't mean we don't have a lot of tax evaders.
In my frame of thinking, someone who doesn't provide good clothing, healthy and varied nourishment, a proper education (preferably post-secondary), a loving, nurturing and caring environment, etc... to the best of their ability is a bad parent. One who does provide those things is a good parent. What's the argument here?
Someone might provide those things out of a sense of duty--another might provide them because they just feel like providing them, duty or not. Both would be good parents, but the one would be doing it even if they'd be good parents if they didn't.

It's like if two people in a relationship agree to exclusive sexual fidelity. Some people would like to cheat, but they don't, because of their vows. Some people just don't want to have sex with anyone but their partner in the first place--even without vows of exclusivity, they'd be monogamous. Hope that clarifies things.
Still not seeing an argument here. As I state below, the statements made were from a legal aspect, not a moral one.
"Generally a parent is responsible for support of a minor child. This responsibility encompasses the essentials of food, clothing, and shelter, as well as education and medical care.

The parent has the obligation to furnish a home for the child. A parent has the right to use Corporal Punishment, but it must not be so excessive as to constitute child abuse.

A parent's power over his child includes the authority and obligation to oversee medical treatment. A parent will most likely be held guilty of criminal neglect if he disregards the health requirements of his child."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Parent+and+Child

Not once does it list the state of which the clothing, food or shelter must be in (besides basic furnishings).
Um, a dictionary is a general guide--it's not meant to be used as an exhaustive resource like you're using it here. For example, there is no right to use corporal punishment in places like Sweden. Laws are going to vary widely by jurisdiction.
So everything is subjective then according to your interpretation. So basically the world revolves around your interpretation of everything? I live in the USA. That dictionary is for the USA. If you aren't in the USA and aren't arguing the same points as myself in the USA from the same stance, what's the point of arguing?

The entire series of comments started from a legal aspect, not a moral one.

BTW, a dictionary can't be used as an exhaustive guide yet About.com can? Interesting...

It always made sense: I just don't think you can compare what the OP said with your scenario about Mortal Kombat--proper analogy would be if they told you there were arms being ripped off and spines being torn out, but that most of the game was punches and kicks and energy balls. The kid didn't fail to mention that there's killing by just watering it down to 'swordfights' the way you did with 'battles' in your example.
Maybe being a parent myself gives me a unique perspective on the situation since I've actually experienced similar scenarios with my own children as this.
Anyone who has been in any sort of emotional relationship with another human being understands how humans downplay things: look at how you innocently 'upplayed' the situation in your Mortal Kombat example, giving me an inaccurate analogy.
Mario killing a goomba by jumping on it's head does not equate to killing by sliding a 10 inch blade of steel from your wrist into the spleen of a paid for target that you've been stalking through the streets for an entire level, mercilessly dispatching anyone who gets in your way or fleeing for your life. The word killing does not convey much information.

So basically once again you're saying everything is subjective, so once again, why are we arguing?
This entire debate is a matter of opinion and personal experience. You and I don't see eye to eye on if she mislead her parents.
Maybe, but that's certainly a far cry from where the debate started.
Er... every comment people have made have been opinions based upon their personal experience, there isn't any maybe about it.

All you're doing is saying that everything is subjective. So at this point, once again for the third time, why are we arguing?
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
jboking said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
jboking said:
To respond in a similar fashion. Why does there need to be privacy between parents and their children when playing video games if the child in the situation is underage? Typically, isn't supervision of children while playing games encouraged?
You're confusing 'supervision' with 'doing something in front of your parents.' Just because your parents aren't in the room with you while you do something, that doesn't mean you're doing it unsupervised.
Yes, but why can't your parents be that supervision?
You're misunderstanding me: just because the 'supervisor' parent is not in the room with the person while they play the game, that doesn't mean the person is 'unsupervised'.
No, I completely understand that. I was just trying to bring the argument back to the main point. What is wrong with your parents watching you play video games? It is just another form of supervision is it not? Oh, and I'm not saying supervision has to be your parents, I'm stating that it can be and that for me it was.
Congratulations, you have a belief that differs from the parents in the situation. Can you provide anything useful for dealing with people who do believe she broke their trust instead of just saying they're wrong?
The facts of the situation? That's...kinda what I've been doing.
The facts of the situation are how you suggest dealing with them? I'll just be plain and say that, by your view of the facts, that probably has already failed
You need to keep clear who you mean by 'them' from post to post. Last post you asked me "Can you provide anything useful for dealing with people who do believe she broke their trust instead of just saying they're wrong?" If you were asking me about her parents specifically--and not about the people in this thread with whom I disagree--you should have made that clear.

I mean, I don't see you going around to anyone else who isn't talking specifically about how she should deal with her parents and telling them "I see no reason for you to be posting here."
Yes, and I'm sorry for that. However, I still find your answer 100% inefficient in dealing with the other people in this thread or with her parents(as the posters in this thread have already seen the facts their way, and many of them who you hosted arguments with still hold their view on the situation, even though you present the facts to them again[which they likely continue to reinterpret] I have another question for you to answer if you wish: If they can reinterpret the facts and have shown that they were able to do so, in what world is using the same facts to argue with them a good idea?). Meaning that it delved into a "Subjective truth" or "I'm right your wrong" argument). Also, you should be able to approach the similar viewpoint of both the parents and the posters. If you treat the parents like humans instead of like unthinking authoritarian figures that is.

As for the other comment, I would go to all of those people and tell them I don't see why they are posting, but I quite simply don't have the time or will. The only reason I did it to you is that you bothered to quote me and then try as hard as you might to break apart what I said.
Understanding that, how do you deal with them? How do you handle people that view something differently than you do? Do you simply have a, "they're wrong and I'm right, end of story" response or is it possible that your response could be like the ones regarding the arguments we've dropped(see: it's mostly subjective and I will simply have to respect your view on the issue while maintaining my own)?
How do I handle it? Well, I'll say this to start: it really doesn't matter if there's a difference of opinions on a matter of subjective truth or you think your parents are wrong about something about which there is no objective doubt to you - jboking. If your parents believe you are wrong about a matter of objective truth, than you have to deal with the situation as they see it.
Long story short, your advice is that she has to deal with her parents views on the situation. Great, how do you suggest she do that? I know I had a few ways of dealing with views my parents had. What do you suggest?
So forget the whole subjective/objective thing. If you're asking me how to deal with her parents, just like we have to deal with the fact that I disagree that she lied, we have to deal with the fact that they disagree with you that it's "mostly subjective": they probably see this as a pretty objective case.
That still doesn't answer how to deal with it. I will also contend that even if they view her lying as objective truth, she can still get what she wants. Do you believe this to be true?