Black Batman

[SeventeenSuns]

They did a similar thing with spiderman in the Ultimates universe, and I was not opposed to the idea because it was a whole new character and idea, and of course they kept the normal spider man that I knew. Unfortunately, reading one of the comics, i did not like it due to terrible diologue. (constantly using blanked out swears in an attempt to sound cool made the entire thing seem so immature that i dropped it on the spot. So much for that...)

But if it would happen to Batman, there must be a point. I love Batman Beyond, because it was a new hero taking up the mantel in a way that i fully accepted, even though he was *GASP* a TEENAGER?? If the new batman was black, no problem, just as long as they take advantage of the opportunity of a new character and make us believe that this guy has what it takes to be Batman. Just as long as his whole purpose isn't defined completely by his race, of course. That would be a tragedy.
But they can't stop normal batman comics. Way too much money in Bruce Wayne staring Bruce Wayne as Bruce Wayne.

 

[Risingblade]

Gotham would need a lot more black rich guys then


and Joker was gay? I did not know that

 

[Lord Beautiful]

Black Batman?

Spoiler: Pretty sure that already exist

You're half right. While there is Black Batman, it isn't Spawn, as he uses guns and kills people.

Spoiler: This is Black Batman.

Let's be honest. Regardless of your sexuality, for this, your body is ready.

EDIT: Whoopsadoodle. Forgot the

 

[Robert Ewing]

Urgh.... Whyyyyyyyyy even do it?

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

"Black batman" is stupid. There is however nothing wrong with batman being black. Nothing in any of the story lines or any of the various versions of his often recreated backstory require a particular ethnicity.

Of my two favorite Catwomen (that looks odd...Catwomans?) one happens to be white, one black. Ethnicity doesn't matter to the character at all.

It would only matter if something about the character is inherently race based. I can't think of one at the moment, but to give a silly example, if a Nazi superhero was turned from White Christian to Black Gay Jew in a retcon.

Ethnicity is not the same as race. Black is not a race. And a black gay Jewish Nazi would be hilarious. Every Nazi ever should be retconned as black, gay, and Jewish.

Well race isn't a word with a university definition, but in general terms, yes, black probably does meet the definition of race, in fact skin colour was one of the primary determining factors in that non scientific word's early use. You know, that's why people say its "racist" when you are anti-black. But you keep feeling smug if it makes you feel better. (Especially when your corrections are wrong lol)

Read my other post and recent edit. It was a typo. And there are plenty of university definitions for race, just ask a professor and there you go. I can insult you for making typos as well, but I am pretty certain your original misunderstanding of the differences between race and ethnicity were not typos.

You claim now it was a typo...

And read my comment on your correction.

Also you might mean, University where I work, not where I go.

Let me help you out there, the term "race" is inherently "racist". There is no valid scientific use of the word, and no self respecting academic would suggest there was. Feel free to point me at that very clear universally accepted definition though.

A typo is a type of mistake.

Race is as real as we make it. You can't ignore the obvious social importance of the concept of race, even though it biologically doesn't exist. And yes there is no universally accepted definition. However, there is one for ethnicity, and it is not the same as race. Black is not an ethnicity, it is a race.

How can you positively identify it as a race, when you agree race isn't defined?

In any event, your definition is STILL wrong for ethnicity. Ethnicity CAN include racial traits. A couple segments of the Merriam-Webster definition for your attention:

a: of or relating to large groups of people classed according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background
Synonyms: racial, ethnical, tribal

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnic

Ethnicity is just a way of grouping people into groups that make some sense and have some commonality.

Your race is a socially constructed status that is ascribed to you in accordance with certain physical traits. Your ethnicity is the social group or category you generally fit within. Black is not a valid ethnicity as it tells me nothing about what social category that individual fits within. A black Swede differs from a black African which differs from a black American. And Webster loses credibility with me for having an incorrect definition of gender.

Certainly many Black South Africans will tell you they are a different ethnicity than White South Africans. Colour can most certainly tell you part of someone's social category.

And I'm so impressed that you know more than dictionaries lol

Certainly, but you didn't say black American, you said black. There is a major difference. Hispanic Latino is an ethnicity that considers race. Hispanic is an ethnicity that does not consider to race. Latino is a race, not an ethnicity. A brown kid from Mexico is a Hispanic Latino. A kid from Mexico is Hispanic. A brown kid is Latino. They are not the same.

Ok, is Jewish a race or an ethnicity?

Neither. It is a religion. Depending on where their families had lived for the previous few generations they could be one of a very large number of ethnicities.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

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I'm confused as to why suggesting a different race for a character is a joke to you?

*shrug* Absurdity I suppose. People get up tight about people swapping races, like when that black guy was going to be in that Thor movie. Ignorance is fun to mock and all that.

 

[Heronblade]

If they changed batman's ethnicity, I'd be surprised but wouldn't really care so long as the entertainment value stayed good.

If on the other hand they also make a big deal about changing his ethnicity, much less started degrading the storyline by adding extraneous racism crap and effectively disowning "white batman", I'd probably stop buying related material entirely. It takes a fair bit for a media outlet to piss me off, but an action like that would do the trick.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Batman pulled a Nick Fury? huh...

So long as its not "black batman" because that's racist and is just "batman" I think people would question it for a while and then kind of roll with it. We got a black president, why not a black batman?

 

[WolfThomas]

I am not opposed to the changing of characters races where it won't derail the original character. With Black Batman it depends would he be a relatively new character with a different origin, or would it just be black Bruce Wayne. If it's the first it might be interesting, see Bat-Wing, it's a pretty enjoyable comic. But if it's just black Bruce then it kinds of alters his character pointlessly and for the worse. I've always said Batman and maybe Superman are the only Justice League members who have to be white. Green Lantern wouldn't change if he was Chinese or Aquaman Samoan. But Bruce Wayne's origin is pretty much privilege old money. Which is majority white.

 

[Random Fella]

This 'Black Batman' Just sounds like it'd be a stupid comic made on the basis of teaching kids to be against racism towards black people

Also, just on the grounds of the name being 'Black Batman' It would be considered racist.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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I'm confused as to why suggesting a different race for a character is a joke to you?

*shrug* Absurdity I suppose. People get up tight about people swapping races, like when that black guy was going to be in that Thor movie. Ignorance is fun to mock and all that.

Hehe maybe I just don't see it as that strange but I get what you mean about people being silly about it.

 

[Gabanuka]

But Batman is

Spoiler

Bruce Waye

And

Spoiler

Bruce Wayne

is white...


I kid, I'd be fine with it but I don't think we'd be able to move on from such a major character changing ethnicity

 

[PrinceOfShapeir]

This would be retarded.

Why?

Because Bruce Wayne. Isn't. Black!

Also, retconning a character just to make him more ethnically diverse is obnoxious as shit.