Black Ops Designer Regrets "Second Chance" Perk

krytorii

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Second chance annoyed me a lot. I shoot someone, I go one and shoot the guy who was standing next to him, but oh look, this first guy is on the ground shooting me.

To be fair you could often catch them real easy if you noticed them going into second chance, but in a fast pace game, you don't think about that stuff as much.

The worst ones have to be when you shoot and duck behind a corner, run around said corner and get shot/knifed by the person on the floor.

I also remember from WaW, there was a perk that let you drop a live grenade when you died. That got me too many times.

Also, am I not the only one who got annoyed at having to plant the bombs repeatedly?
 

GaltarDude1138

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I personally don't have a problem with the perk, but its good the devs actually try to make their games better.

Now IW needs to apologize for the ones in MW2 (I'm looking at you, SitRep Pro! You were a ***** to get every time!)
 

XT inc

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Umm Yeah, Here is a little secret about game design.

it's called Patching.

You do work, change things around so there is no second chance, and then edit what the requirements are for unlocking other perks, since you and the community seem to be on the same page about that. They can leave it in for custom games, but take it out of matchmaking.

Or is it that patches are free and can't be bothered with? To busy with the game coming out in November?
 

Sizzle Montyjing

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Yeah, it was bullshit.
Dear god, i get pissed off when people call perks 'nooby' byt that was the one time it could apply.
And when you have bad connection... dear god it's SOOOOOOOOOOO much worse...
Dead before he hits the floor.
 

Baresark

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Well, this is stupid. Why not just release an update and remove it. Welcome to the digital world. Where nothing is permanent unless you want it to be.
 

Amnestic

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Scrumpmonkey said:
Sometimes developers used to patch games. Its called normal aftermarket support. You know, back when everyone wasn't being cheap.
I concur. After-release balance patches should be the norm for online multiplayer games, not the exception. Back in the days of yore, patching wasn't possible, yet now when balance patching is easier than ever, why not take advantage of it?
 
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Seems like an easy fix to me. Keep the invincible animation, but add an excruciatingly long pistol draw. Maybe even slow the fire rate and accuracy.
 

BehattedWanderer

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Wow, death threats over a perk in a game. If there will be one phrase that would sum up this phenomenon in the future, it would be hyperbolic threats. Hooray. And over second chance, too, which wasn't even that big of a problem.
 

ElPatron

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ilovemyLunchbox said:
How can a maker apologize for making a game too hard? That's retarded. "Hardcore" gamers should be delighted at the opportunity to break their thumbs for meaningless accomplishments. The Second Chance perk sounds like a bastard to fight against, but nothing worth APOLOGIZING over. That developer needs a spine.
You're talking about the company who had as community manager an immature freak that lied about other players, said quick-scoping was cheap (however, he used MP40 + juggernaut + mines, which is even cheaper), among other things.

I can only sympathize because I would apologize too. It's a good way to try to win back the hearts of players after they start to know your team as a bunch of incompetent jerks.
 

ZehMadScientist

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Yeah, Second chance was annoying to fight with. In fact, I thought is was fuckin annoying to use it yourself! It kind of breaks into the flow of the game.
 

Lt. Vinciti

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Juggernoobing was far worse then Second Chance....


Right Right...taking an assault rifle to the face and still being able to kill me is legit...but bleeding out being able to try once more isnt...


Playing Hardcore bots was...unamusing when they would do it tho...hahaha
 

Furioso

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*Looks up from playing Nazi Zombies: Moon* It's ok Treyarch, you brought us something much much better
 

TheScientificIssole

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XT inc said:
Umm Yeah, Here is a little secret about game design.

it's called Patching.

You do work, change things around so there is no second chance, and then edit what the requirements are for unlocking other perks, since you and the community seem to be on the same page about that. They can leave it in for custom games, but take it out of matchmaking.

Or is it that patches are free and can't be bothered with? To busy with the game coming out in November?
Then everybody who did the BS task will not have what they fought to earn.
Its called not being a dick, and it is a bit more important than patching.(I didn't say you were being a dick, I was saying it would be a dick move to make a players progress useless.)
 

Squilookle

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What a nice guy- apologising for a flaw openly like that. Sure it was after a death threat but still...

Kind of makes me want to buy Black Ops just because they're so nice.

OK, not really. He's still nice though.
 

RagTagBand

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Can't say I ever had a problem with Second chance, Not with using it, not whilst being killed by someone else using it, I never thought it was cheap or unfair or unbalanced so either this designer is merely trying to win points with idiots who consistently complain about any tactic that ruins their K/D ratio, or -he- is the idiot.