Black Ops Designer Regrets "Second Chance" Perk

[Rijo]

Vonderhaar actually made a Tweet about my Second Chance Song (in which Thunder screams 'VONDERHAAAAR!'), he challenged people to break-dance to it and everything


We (COD players) nagged him about it a lot. Poor fella

" God i love this song i wish MOS came out with a CD for all the fail perks of CoD. "
Would be a better stocking stuffer then MW3 *HA!*

 

[FamoFunk]

Not sure what to make of the perk myself, I love BLOPS, and this perk does sometimes piss me off. But when you do manage to get a good game with teamwork, this perk is actually good.

 

[Link XL1]

did everyone just ignore the fact that someone threatened to murder the guy?!

 

[The White Hunter]

Fascinating, can he also apologise for that time I was actually knifed from downstairs and 2 rooms away on Black Ops? Also, using the giant pile of cash for decent serevers would be a plus, but none the less I skipped MW3, they can have more of my money when the campaign is worth playing and there is actually MORE content than the previous game. Kthanks.

 

[Lyri]

So what the difference between this and Last stand from the original Modern Warfare?

I see absolutely none and no it wasn't broken or a pain in the ass then either.

 

[Tamrin]

And that's not the only thing he feels bad about. "By the way, I'm really sorry about that challenge to cap flags for Pro perks. That was another bad idea. Long story. Filled with regret," he wrote in a separate tweet [https://twitter.com/#!/DavidVonderhaar/status/135989245574787072], adding later, "I wanted them to be a Challenge. I didn't want them to force people to play something they dislike and encourage boosting."
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That is the only thing he should feel the need to apologies for. The perk wasn't bad at all and had little influence over the matches when I played. The challenges should have been more versatile for the player who dislike certain gameplay.

If you wanted pro however don't like Capture The Flag then do this X amount of times on Search and Destroy, Domination, etc.

I like that he sees the fault and acknowledges it however, I find it repulsive that once again another CoD player went to yet another extreme and threatened violence.

 

[bjj hero]

Actually Waw > Cod4 and BO > MW2

Gameplay is much better on 3arch games, feels nicer and not as easy as IW cods shooting a thompson in waw is much harder than any gun in cod4) the problem is the rest, like maps and community support.

Guess well have to disagree. All I know is that played waw for a couple of months then went back to COD4. I played mw2 to death, although not quite like cod4. I played blops longer than waw but still ended up returning to mw2. I noticed a lot of my friends list followed a similar pattern although a few went back to cod4 from blops/mw2.

Interestingly my kill:death ratio tends to be better on treyarch games though.

 

[ThunderCavalier]

Personally, they should've either kept the survival time to 10 seconds before dying or removed the ability to revive downed players, not put both in.

I do agree that it's an OP and overused ability. Surprising that a dev chimes in and says so, though.

 

[MonkeyPunch]

Yet no one ever said a word of regret for forcing MW2 PC players to play P2P for no good reason and totally do away with servers and introduce the epitome of uselessness called 'IW.net'.

And that was far worse than this measly perk thing.

Also, 'last stand' was in MW2 as well... god the more I think of it, the more I realise just how bad the MP in MW2 was. I'm so scarred from it I still haven't bought a CoD game since then.

 

[BabyRaptor]

Murder threats over a video game never cease to amaze me. Just...Why? If you don't like it, don't bloody do it!

 

[Baneat]

Murder threats over a video game never cease to amaze me. Just...Why? If you don't like it, don't bloody do it!

It needs to be said: HE WAS JOKING.

 

[jawakiller]

I always saw it like a grenade launcher:

If you really suck, use it. If you don't suck, don't use it.

 

[kouriichi]

You know, i never died to anyone in second chance.

In fact >.>; i think it wasnt half as annoying as ghost campers hiding in every corner of a map, ready to one-shot anything that walked within 30 feet of them.

I ran into a few people who even LAID on top of their own claymores.

Second chance never bothered me. Whats 1 or 2 more rounds into them to finish the job? I dont just fire 3 rounds and run off expecting them to die. I keep my gun trained on that body till points pop-up, or another enemy comes sprinting at me trying to commando lunge.

 

[YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH]

Actually Waw > Cod4 and BO > MW2

Gameplay is much better on 3arch games, feels nicer and not as easy as IW cods shooting a thompson in waw is much harder than any gun in cod4) the problem is the rest, like maps and community support.

Guess well have to disagree. All I know is that played waw for a couple of months then went back to COD4. I played mw2 to death, although not quite like cod4. I played blops longer than waw but still ended up returning to mw2. I noticed a lot of my friends list followed a similar pattern although a few went back to cod4 from blops/mw2.

Interestingly my kill:death ratio tends to be better on treyarch games though.

Just so I'm up-to-date on the general escapist consesus, COD4 was the pinnacle of the modern series (not COD2) in terms of best singleplayer/multiplayer? At least in combination. IMHO, yeah maybe you could argue MW2 improved multiplayer somewhat but COD 4 was the pinnacle of the series.
More on topic enough: Obviously I hate death threats for something as stupid as Blops. I caution people from generalizing when discussing the entire community.

 

[Atheist.]

I don't mind 2nd chance. It's annoying I admit but funny too- without 2nd chance, a lot of people wouldn't have theaters to attend to pulling off crazy stuff in that stance (I uploaded a theater clip of me killing 3 guys in a row with 2nd chance.) However, I admit capturing the flag to help perks out was a bad idea. No biggy.

However, what's with the COD fan threatening to kill the producer? Does he have the idea that if he actually did kill him.. there couldn't be anymore COD games or least not to their best potential? Or think of it this way... it's because of this producer you have your game dude. Please don't make all COD fans look crazy, we already have 3 incidents dealing with COD fans.

Well, realistically you'd only lose the Treyarch studio. There's still Infinity Ward, the two studios alternate creating the game every other year. This way the game has a two year production cycle, but gets released every year.

 

[MrBenSampson]

The only reason I hated second chance was when I was a sniper, and the person I shot would fall behind cover. One of my team-mates would usually wander over to my target, shoot the player once, and get credit for the kill. Maybe it's changed since then, but putting someone into second chance in CoD4 only counted as an assist, which made no sense at all.

 

[FoolKiller]

In the grander scheme of things I want to tip my hat to the Call of Duty franchise for making a game where it isn't just one repetitive deathmatch after another and putting thought into it.

Now that has been said... please stop doing it. The key to a good multiplayer is to have a balanced game. The whole point of perks is to give players advantages which by definition make it unbalanced.

Don't believe me? Just think of something like perks in a sports game. "The Tank" perk would let running backs be able to avoid being taken down for 3 seconds. I'm sure you can think of others. They can be gamebreaking (and rather frustrating for the victim).

 

[Firia]

Why the hell does the CoD community seem most vocal about committing real life violence for a game?

 

[gphjr14]

Don't believe me? Just think of something like perks in a sports game. "The Tank" perk would let running backs be able to avoid being taken down for 3 seconds. I'm sure you can think of others. They can be gamebreaking (and rather frustrating for the victim).

The perk isn't by any means a gamebreaker. It is really annoying and just shows how much the user sucks at the game but its rarely that big of a hindrance. In reality it screws over the other player because either A) The guy actually kills you or a teammate when he should be dead. or B)He's too far away and someone actually revives him literally cheating you out of a kill.

It's not too hard to fathom someone making a death threat over something as insignificant as a videogame. People make threats on BLK OPS all the time, if anything its funny. Since there's like a 1% chance they'll actually be able to do anything. Except that one time in England.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

Well, if its not in MW3, the basically its fixed.

It is still in, but as a deathstreak. But due to the more fast pace you will actually see those quite a lot. The worst thing is instead of just their pistol they pull out their whole friggin primary weapon.

Then no, it is not fixed.
Not at all.

The first time I got killed by an enemy combattant who I presumed dead, I really hated it. Then I got it and jumped through all the repetitive and boring fiery hoops to get pro, and I've been doing it every since, prestige'ing all they way because it mostly just doesn't matter safe for the additional custom classes, which allow for better, specific responses to pick from in battle when encountering very specific threats (the marathon running ninja killer, to name just one).

So, no, I cannot chime in to disliking the second chance perk, and since it's a game for grown ups anyway they should have left the gun to the chin in as well. It's rare to just die of a stroke when you're just rubbing your bottom on the ground.