Black Ops Designer Regrets "Second Chance" Perk

[Metalrocks]

always hatted this perk. i want them to die and thats it but, these guys still are alive and shoot you. the good thing was, that you can find servers were this perk is not allowed and other stuff.
so far i havent encountered many of them in MW3. actually pretty rare. so at the moment im still fine with it. just a shame you cant chose what server you want. feels weird that you are forced on to a server without any infos really what the server has.

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

Vonderhaar actually made a Tweet about my Second Chance Song (in which Thunder screams 'VONDERHAAAAR!'), he challenged people to break-dance to it and everything


We (COD players) nagged him about it a lot. Poor fella

That was fucking amazing. The "Now every goddamn corner someone's crawling on their crack leavin' skidmarks on the map, Treyarch I want my money back" bit made me laugh so much.

OT: Yes. Second Chance can park itself on my middle finger and fucking swivel. I hated it so much.

 

[Snowblindblitz]

This is a pretty funny thread. I'm not a fan of second chance simply because I've seen entire clans run it in hardcore...which is not friendly.

Also didn't like when they changed it so the person putting them into second chance got the kill rather then whoever finished them. It wouldn't bother me as much if not for the revival effect.

Finish the job there teammates. Finish the job.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Personally I'm in the camp that LIKED second chance. Considering black ops OVERLY GENEROUS hit boxes and eager auto-targeting system, not everyone was a super James bond shot and get this, not EVERYONE slumps over dead from being shot in war. In fact, the U.S. armed forces are full of stories of guys (all wearing some sort of body armor mind you) of guys who were shot still returning fire on their enemies and even the enemy (who isn't wearing body armor) doing the same thing.

My thing is, it took the fast paced action of CoD and added something that added a pretty cool dynamic by forcing you to double check your kills and risk trying to get that kill shot only to be out of ammo when their pal comes around the corner. Also, it was a great way for newbie players (you know, the new customers the game was hoping to attract) or casual players to be able to get a few kills in and enjoy the game. I may be in a small minority by saying this, but getting your butt handed to you in map after map after map the first time I step into the multiplayer of a game doesn't encourage me to get better. It only encourages me to avoid the multiplayer altogether and to go play something else.

I'll openly admit to using second chance a lot when I first started, and as I got better I experimented with other perks (eventually I had pro in everything, it was fun to work specifically on the pros until I got them). Eventually I stopped using it altogether, but if it wasn't there I wouldn't have continued playing. Especially with the amount of smack talking in the game, that's a huge hurdle to overcome for new players coming into the game, and second chance kinda leveled the field a little bit.

Besides, the only people I ever heard complaining about second chance is people who were so busy running around trying to rack up kills that they didn't pay attention and got deaded by the guy they just shot and ran by. I actually felt a little bit of joy ruining people's streaks. Sorry that the feature ruined your fun of dominating every single map.

In fact, NOT having it in MW3 is one of the reasons I haven't bought it yet and I probably won't now that it's been out for a week and everyone is probably 100 times more badass than me and it's just going to be a non-stop grief-fest. It's my own personal protest. And luckily with Saints Row, Sky Rim, and soon Assassin's Creed Revelations, I won't miss it at all. And if it doesn't re-emerge in future CoD installments, they've lost me as a customer permanently. A man has to take a stand for what he believes in. I'd rather have a feature in a game and choose not to USE it if I don't like it than take it away from EVERYONE just to enhance my OWN personal experience.

 

[FilipJPhry]

So many times I've fell short of a killstreak thanks to the Mystical-Drop-knife-of-Doom!
Glad to see Treyarch learned from their mistakes. Too bad they get crapped on for changing and improving games.

 

[megapenguinx]

Well, if its not in MW3, the basically its fixed.

It is still in, but as a deathstreak. But due to the more fast pace you will actually see those quite a lot. The worst thing is instead of just their pistol they pull out their whole friggin primary weapon.

Then no, it is not fixed.
Not at all.

Different mechanic.

Second chance activated EVERY.GODDAMN.TIME.

This deathstreak doesn't come up as often and as soon as you get a single kill it goes away until you die another 4-5 times.

 

[Rijo]

Vonderhaar actually made a Tweet about my Second Chance Song (in which Thunder screams 'VONDERHAAAAR!'), he challenged people to break-dance to it and everything


We (COD players) nagged him about it a lot. Poor fella

" God i love this song i wish MOS came out with a CD for all the fail perks of CoD. "
Would be a better stocking stuffer then MW3 *HA!*

 

[FamoFunk]

Not sure what to make of the perk myself, I love BLOPS, and this perk does sometimes piss me off. But when you do manage to get a good game with teamwork, this perk is actually good.

 

[Link XL1]

did everyone just ignore the fact that someone threatened to murder the guy?!

 

[The White Hunter]

Fascinating, can he also apologise for that time I was actually knifed from downstairs and 2 rooms away on Black Ops? Also, using the giant pile of cash for decent serevers would be a plus, but none the less I skipped MW3, they can have more of my money when the campaign is worth playing and there is actually MORE content than the previous game. Kthanks.

 

[Lyri]

So what the difference between this and Last stand from the original Modern Warfare?

I see absolutely none and no it wasn't broken or a pain in the ass then either.

 

[Tamrin]

And that's not the only thing he feels bad about. "By the way, I'm really sorry about that challenge to cap flags for Pro perks. That was another bad idea. Long story. Filled with regret," he wrote in a separate tweet [https://twitter.com/#!/DavidVonderhaar/status/135989245574787072], adding later, "I wanted them to be a Challenge. I didn't want them to force people to play something they dislike and encourage boosting."
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That is the only thing he should feel the need to apologies for. The perk wasn't bad at all and had little influence over the matches when I played. The challenges should have been more versatile for the player who dislike certain gameplay.

If you wanted pro however don't like Capture The Flag then do this X amount of times on Search and Destroy, Domination, etc.

I like that he sees the fault and acknowledges it however, I find it repulsive that once again another CoD player went to yet another extreme and threatened violence.

 

[bjj hero]

Actually Waw > Cod4 and BO > MW2

Gameplay is much better on 3arch games, feels nicer and not as easy as IW cods shooting a thompson in waw is much harder than any gun in cod4) the problem is the rest, like maps and community support.

Guess well have to disagree. All I know is that played waw for a couple of months then went back to COD4. I played mw2 to death, although not quite like cod4. I played blops longer than waw but still ended up returning to mw2. I noticed a lot of my friends list followed a similar pattern although a few went back to cod4 from blops/mw2.

Interestingly my kill:death ratio tends to be better on treyarch games though.

 

[ThunderCavalier]

Personally, they should've either kept the survival time to 10 seconds before dying or removed the ability to revive downed players, not put both in.

I do agree that it's an OP and overused ability. Surprising that a dev chimes in and says so, though.

 

[MonkeyPunch]

Yet no one ever said a word of regret for forcing MW2 PC players to play P2P for no good reason and totally do away with servers and introduce the epitome of uselessness called 'IW.net'.

And that was far worse than this measly perk thing.

Also, 'last stand' was in MW2 as well... god the more I think of it, the more I realise just how bad the MP in MW2 was. I'm so scarred from it I still haven't bought a CoD game since then.

 

[BabyRaptor]

Murder threats over a video game never cease to amaze me. Just...Why? If you don't like it, don't bloody do it!

 

[Baneat]

Murder threats over a video game never cease to amaze me. Just...Why? If you don't like it, don't bloody do it!

It needs to be said: HE WAS JOKING.