Black people playing Norse gods

WolfThomas

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You think that perhaps Marvel/Disney did this on purpose to use as marketing, I mean we've all been discussing Thor for weeks now.
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While I am usually in the camp of keeping the characters the same, I feel Heimdall is such a minor character in both comics and film that all this arguement is not worth the bother. Honestly I'm more concerned about his unique helmet than the colour of his skin considering thats the majority of what we see of him.
 

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It's not accurate, but considering how many white people we've had playing other ethnicities throughout film history, I'd say it's about damned time the pendulum swung the other way.
 

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Remember how Samuel L. Jackson played Nick Fury?
Remember how other black actors played leads/roles that were decreed as "has to absolutely be white"? Remember how they they didn't suck? How they were actually great? Yeah, that's what I though. Skin color matters little before performance.
 

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"Heimdall (Old Norse Heimdallr, modern Icelandic Heimdallur) is one of the æsir (gods) in Norse mythology, in the Edda called the "white god" (hvítastr ása "whitest of the aesir Sæm 72ª; hvíta ás "white as" Sn. 104)."

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAA
 

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It's a movie based on comic about norse gods, I don't think anyone would bat an eyelash if some where green or blue.
 

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I would understand if they had Will Smith playing Thor, isnt Hiemdall a pretty minor character to the plot?
 

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By the way, Thor was a redhead in the original mythology, but portrayed as a blond in the comics. DISCUSS
 

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In a universe where Thor regularly fights crime with Spider-Man and friends, I don't think the historical accuracy of a black Norse god should be anyone's primary concern. Whedon could cast Samuel Jackson act as Odin, Jesus, AND Nick Fury for all it would matter.

And yes, that would be friggin' awesome.
 

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Idiots just think that a black guy can't pull off the sheer awesome that's inherent in a Norse god. Foolish, really.

 

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Ensiferum said:
Yes, people would be up-in-arms over a white guy playing an African god. But of course it's not okay to be confused by a black guy playing a Norse god. That's just "racism." Gotta love those politically-correct double standards.

Personally I do find it confusing that an African-American is playing a Norse god, but then again he's part of the marvel version of a pantheon that's mythological to begin with, so in the end I don't care.
He's British...

On topic:
I personally don't care. I think if Thor himself were played by a non-white individual, comic-book geeks (By which I mean collectors of graphic novels) would be in an uproar. Some other character, however, one who, as far as I can tell, isn't really a big part of the whole thing, really shouldn't make a difference. The line between authenticity and getting a good actor is a crucial one.
 

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I wonder if the fact they are suppose to be Norwegian is the biggest deal about him being black. I mean DareDevil had a black King Pin, played by Micheal Duncan, who fit perfectly in the story.
 

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I think I'm the only person that had a major issue with Samuel L. Jackson playing Nick Fury. I seriously raged. It's not because he's black, it's because he's UNRECOGNIZABLE. I love SLJ and have no issue with people of other races, but I can't wrap my head around the fact that someone who looks NOTHING like Nick Fury is playing Nick Fury. Especially when


is perfect for the role.
 

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If you reversed the roles, and it was a movie depicting the Zulu pantheon and the role of Nomkhumbulwane was played by a white actor - then I begin to see where the issue lies. Yes, the Norse Gods were traditionally depicted as white since the Norse people were white. But there's a lot more to it than that.

For one, there are plenty of roles for white actors in Hollywood. If it was a Zulu pantheon, you could argue that a white actor would be taking a role that would be much more suited for a black actor who may not have as many opportunities in Hollywood.

Secondly, they are fictional characters that don't exist and have never existed. It's not like a black guy was chosen for the role of Teddy Roosevelt. There is no 'accurate' racial portrayal of Heimdall from which to deviate, so it doesn't make any difference what race any of the make believe Gods are.

Thirdly, as was discussed in Penny Arcade - the entire movie is literally about a prototypical Aryan superhero. Let it have its one token black character, white people still come out on top by a pretty large margin.

Finally - they are Gods. Presumably they are Gods over the entire world and thus over all races of men. If the argument is "the Norse Gods were white", then the counter-argument is, quite simply, "how do you know that"? If we're arguing that there is an accurate way to portray a Norse God, then we're arguing that they exist and look a certain way. Since I've never seen Heimdall, I really don't know what his skin color would be.

Seriously though, I hope this movie doesn't suck. That trailer looked sweeeeet.
 

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Snake Plissken said:
I think I'm the only person that had a major issue with Samuel L. Jackson playing Nick Fury. I seriously raged. It's not because he's black, it's because he's UNRECOGNIZABLE. I love SLJ and have no issue with people of other races, but I can't wrap my head around the fact that someone who looks NOTHING like Nick Fury is playing Nick Fury. Especially when



is perfect for the role.
You're right. These two look nothing alike...



Ultimate Nick Fury > Classic Nick Fury
 

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Snake Plissken said:
I think I'm the only person that had a major issue with Samuel L. Jackson playing Nick Fury. I seriously raged. It's not because he's black, it's because he's UNRECOGNIZABLE. I love SLJ and have no issue with people of other races, but I can't wrap my head around the fact that someone who looks NOTHING like Nick Fury is playing Nick Fury
I think it really comes down to whether you like Ultimates or not. It was a polarizing series, but also introduced a lot of people to Marvel at a time while the normal setting was stagnating. I for one liked the first two volumes of ultimates and accept SLJ as a legitimate casting for Nick Fury, but hey it's fine for some people to dislike it.

What you have to remember is that when SLJ was initially cast it was basically as an Easter egg/joke, Marvel's dream of creating multiple connected movies became only reality when Disney acquired them. At this point they'd already chosen SLJ for better or worse. Disney/Marvel would also remember how much of a flop, the Nick Fury movie with David Hasselhoff was (yes it exists), so they want to distance themselves from that with an incredibly bankable star who they managed to score almost by chance, SLJ is quoted as only turning up because he thought it would be cool to wear an eyepatch.

AcacianLeaves said:
While I agree with all your points, it's the use of phrases like "make believe" and "fictional" that not just you, but all sorts of people have used (including comic writers, website editors, actors) that irks me a little. Now I'm not strongly religious and I certainly don't believe in norse gods, but I figure we can least show some respect to those who in the past worshipped them and the minority today who still do and not throw around these terms.
 

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AcacianLeaves said:
For one, there are plenty of roles for white actors in Hollywood. If it was a Zulu pantheon, you could argue that a white actor would be taking a role that would be much more suited for a black actor who may not have as many opportunities in Hollywood?
I agree on all points but this. If white actors are limited to all roles EXCEPT those portraying black people, and black actors are allowed to play both black AND white characters, who has more opportunities in Hollywood?

Believe me, I'm not arguing that "the white man" has it bad in Hollywood, but you may want to re-phrase that.

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Ultimate Nick Fury > Classic Nick Fury
Perhaps, but Henry Rollins > Samuel L. Jackson. No changing my mind...I'm biased.
 

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Snake Plissken said:
AcacianLeaves said:
For one, there are plenty of roles for white actors in Hollywood. If it was a Zulu pantheon, you could argue that a white actor would be taking a role that would be much more suited for a black actor who may not have as many opportunities in Hollywood?
I agree on all points but this. If white actors are limited to all roles EXCEPT those portraying black people, and black actors are allowed to play both black AND white characters, who has more opportunities in Hollywood.

Believe me, I'm not arguing that "the white man" has it bad in Hollywood, but you may want to re-phrase that.
I stand by it. The point is that African Americans (and non-whites in general) are currently under-represented in Hollywood, and opening more opportunities for black actors and actresses would help alleviate this problem. If having black actors in roles traditionally reserved for white characters helps stem the whitewashing of Hollywood, then so be it.
 

WolfThomas

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Snake Plissken said:
AcacianLeaves said:
For one, there are plenty of roles for white actors in Hollywood. If it was a Zulu pantheon, you could argue that a white actor would be taking a role that would be much more suited for a black actor who may not have as many opportunities in Hollywood?
I agree on all points but this. If white actors are limited to all roles EXCEPT those portraying black people, and black actors are allowed to play both black AND white characters, who has more opportunities in Hollywood?

Believe me, I'm not arguing that "the white man" has it bad in Hollywood, but you may want to re-phrase that.
Well, and this is just what I've heard, but no casting agency says "white actors only", but unless they specifically refer to race, most black actors won't audition simply because it usually goes to white people. So by having a black man pick up a role that was advertised for all actors is a kind of a step forward to eventually casting only by merit and not skin colour. How this will relate to portraying adapted media only time will tell.