Blizzard is "Definitely Listening" to Real ID Feedback

Aurgelmir

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Why should I care what a persons name is? He is a jerk anyways, not like I can do anything about him.

Besides, a reason to use a forum alt is to not have an association between your forum posts and your in game character. Because then it might be harder to get into a guild, if you have a bad rep.

So by removing character names completely (its optional to show it I think) then you are just making everyone into a forum alt.

If people in game don't know me by my real name, how will that stop me from acting like a total idiot on the forums?

Personally I want people to recognize my post as being made by the character I post as, because posting on the forums has (for me) relevance for the game. Posting on the forums has very little relevance for my real life.

PS: Also having the forums 100% public, and making you use your own name is a bad idea.
 

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http://www.cad-comic.com/comics/c0a129271278475206.jpg

that is what will happen when this comes out.
 

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CyberKnight said:
Is it just me, or does their "listening" and response to complaints sound a lot like the proverbial French princess who said of her subjects, "Let them eat cake!" ?
First of all, Marie Antionette was Austrian.
Second, "Let them eat cake" was propaganda from the French public towards (what they saw as) an overly extravagant useless queen.

And going back to the subject at hand for Third, Like John is saying this is their business, they can do what they want. They aren't forcing you to buy and play their games, hell I've never played WoW or Starcraft in my life. I promise this isn't the level of the French revolution.
 

Delusibeta

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Ultimately, if they really were "listening", they would have reversed the decision already. This news article is just Activision PR talk.
 

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Serris said:
DTWolfwood said:
Verbal Samurai said:
DTWolfwood said:
Verbal Samurai said:
I had to cancel my account. I run a local business and I don't want people googling my name for business purposes and having WoW information show up.
heres a good example of y the system is stupid :D
And even for people who do not run businesses, you work for people who run businesses. A lot of people are surprised to hear how often employers do internet searches on job applicants. If someone sends me a resume and a google search brings up information that I dislike or even THINK a client/colleague would frown upon, that person is NOT getting a job...and no, I won't even tell you that's why you didn't get the job.
Guess u consider some1 playing WoW or SC2 some1 unworthy of your work :p but please look at it with some context here. Should that person be foolish enough to have his name show up on something of ill repute, you shouldnt hire him. But whats the shame is letting ppl know your pass time is gaming?

a las Blizzard is retarded in what they are doing here. since they even mention having "multiple teams" on the forums will be on the lookout for fake-sounding names. so instead of getting one or 2 more mods to moderate the Forums for trolls and flamers, they are gonna hire entire teams to scan for fake names...talk about ridiculous expenditure!
what if you posted in a bad mood once? let's say 5 years ago. someone googles your name, finds that post. they think you're like that all the time. they don't hire you.

you get haunted for years for 5 minutes of ill temper.
O i really hope it doesn't show your post retroactively XD that would just make ppl even more pissed lol
 

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Well I'm going to toss my vote in with the "this is a stupid idea" group. But then again even when I did play WoW I never posted on the forums there, that place is just as bad as 4chan, and hell I would want that group of troll to have my of my personal information.
 

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Poorly written article brah. Generally journalism is intended to have an un-biased opinion when you're trying to report pure facts.

You ever see those GIFs used to describe an over-handed method of solving a problem?

You know, the ones where a bus goes flying down the street at 60 miles an hour (the solution), slams into a car (innocent bystanders) and just barely misses the guy in the cross walk (the intended target.)?

RealID is kind of like that.

Briefly, grievances.

1) Before anything else, its the fact that they didn't ask, they told us. Yes, it's convenient to say, "Oh, just don't post!" but that is counter productive to a forum. Beyond that, its not hard to imagine that these key loggers whom already compromise everything else could just as easily spam the forums.

For this, I demand quite simply, an apology. It's grotesque, archaic and at best will discourage the most basic trolls.

2) They don't exactly have the right. Ok, so the simple fact is that kids play WoW. The only requirement to post on the forums is that you be older than 13. Not only does Blizzard have no right to release an iota of information on minors, but I strongly doubt anyone in any justice system, in any country would give the argument, "BUT WE HAD TO STOP THE TROLLS!" the time of day.

3) Collateral Damage is a *****. Some people have rare names. Most people don't have the luxury of being John Smith though. A fair number of people can discover they're the first result on a google search. From there it's not horribly hard to figure out the rest, and anyone who posts here probably has a fair idea that the internet is fucking creepy. Just a few months ago a guy in France got stabbed, and nearly killed (read: Knife came within an inch of his heart) over a single death in a counter-strike game. And beyond that? What about (insert any sex, race, religion, or sexual orientation) people who have to protect their identities?

But worse? Ok, suppose the creeper gets the wrong person?

4) The forums are more than just a means of discussion. The bug forums? Tech support forums? You mean to tell me you'd never post on either? In game if you get a bug that a GM can't resolve you'll never guess where they send you to! The forums.And bugs? They happen. Blizzard is literally shooting themselves in the foot with this one.

5) Reserving special rules for your employees that you won't extend to your customers is generally considered rude, inappropriate and even in some cases illegal. No, I'm not talking about an employee discount, don't be petty. Blizzard rather specifically says it's against the rules to give out personal information about anyone, employees included, yet see no issue making everyone give out their first and last name? Disgusting.

6) While it is perfectly reasonable to delay a response so that you word it very, very carefully, generally acting in the shadows deleting threads that raise concerns about it, and accusing people who raise valid concerns surrounding it of "fear mongering" is just plain disgusting. No, really. People who raised issue with the RealID changes to the forums have actually gotten banned on the basis of trolling. Blue responses from there have accused people of fear mongering. I don't care what Blizzard thinks about the internet, I know its a fucking creepy place. I browse 4chan for fuck's sake.

7) ....You know, I could go on. At this point I'm done with WoW, I canceled my account and I won't be coming back for Catacylsm. This whole RealID business flies in the face of what I was raised on for internet protocol and generally flies in the face of how I was raised. When you just take something it's plain rude. Trust is something you build over a long time, and can loose in a second. At the moment this really doesn't feel like the Blizzard who took me through Tristram straight to the bowels of hell and to Mt. Areat, through the Korprulu sector, and had me throw down against the Burning Legion. Blizzard needs to regain that trust that basically enabled me to buy their games on the name alone without having to research or look up reviews on the simple principal that I have yet to play a bad Blizzard game.

So, how about an apology, Blue?
 

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acosn said:
So, how about an apology, Blue?
Won't happen. This is part of Kotick's facebook deal, the CM's have been placed on spiked leashes, one lost their job over this, the rest are being told they can only use pre-created messages. They aren't happy either.

And remember they said they have big plans for "RealID", so how long until it is incorporated into game that it shows your real name, they force people to link it to facebook and twitter to advertise?

Glad, I jumped ship a long time ago. My concern is I do not want any company to follow suit.
 

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Lightslei said:
acosn said:
So, how about an apology, Blue?
Won't happen. This is part of Kotick's facebook deal, the CM's have been placed on spiked leashes, one lost their job over this, the rest are being told they can only use pre-created messages. They aren't happy either.

And remember they said they have big plans for "RealID", so how long until it is incorporated into game that it shows your real name, they force people to link it to facebook and twitter to advertise?

Glad, I jumped ship a long time ago. My concern is I do not want any company to follow suit.
Well, fair, but it's what I want before I think of throwing Blizzard another bone in the form of any more revenue.
 

Nazulu

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Osirisgod16 said:
And going back to the subject at hand for Third, Like John is saying this is their business, they can do what they want. They aren't forcing you to buy and play their games, hell I've never played WoW or Starcraft in my life. I promise this isn't the level of the French revolution.
These responses really tick me off. I don't feel comfortable revealing my name and your solution is "fine, don't play or talk, or whatever, I don't have any problem with it so I'm gonna have the time of my life while you can miss out and suffer". It's kinda like saying "who cares what you think, doesn't affect me", and at this point we're not gonna get a long well.

Also when you get a problem in game and you need support you'll probably end up on their forum looking for advise or some solution. This has been said many times now.
 

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ciortas1 said:
There are much more ridiculous moves where these came from, but I just won't bother with listing them all in fear of seeing my breakfast on the table. It's just sickening how far a company can fall in such a short time. Now, will I be buying their games? Probably. But I'll be dead inside a little bit more with each purchase.
You've got to be kidding me, that's so ridiculous I don't think I'm even gonna bother with Blizzard anymore. What a damn shame.

I was really ticked off when they made it so you had to run LAN through Battle.net, but they've gone too far.

I'm not happy at all right now.
 

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Eremiel said:
John Funk said:
If the person making the threat is doing so with THEIR real name attached to it, that's a very serious deterrent. It goes both ways, mind you - the MAD of the internet.
You're missing one thing though. The person making that threat or wishing you harm doesn't have to post at all. NO identification is required to browse the forums. Not even a WoW account is needed.

Imagine unknowingly beating some psycho in PvP. He resurrects, attacks you, you beat him again. He gets pissed off. Bigtime. He goes to the forums, finds a post you made, gets your name, finds your info, realises you live in the same/the neighboring town. He can do all this without ever posting a threat with his real name attached.

It'll also be massive amounts of fun to either be a girl or be a celebrity and play WoW now.
How does he find your post if the name in this post is your real name, not your character name?
 

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DTWolfwood said:
"It's important to note that both enabling Real ID in game and posting on the official Blizzard forums are completely optional," the rep continued. "Players can continue to read the forums anonymously regardless of whether they choose to post in them, and their gameplay experiences will not change if they choose not to use the Real ID communication features in game." <<< i fall under that catagory. Therefore i am not affected. I never posted on the Official forums for anything other than asking for help.

While i think its a stupid idea, i really don't care in the end.
What starts out optional, ends up mandatory.
 

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http://www.metafilter.com/93492/But-my-name-really-is-Deathblood-Blackaxe#3171416

This above post should be required reading for anyone who wants to discuss this issue regardless of their position. It's really obvious when people have incorrect assumptions about the most basic portions of this.

It's increasingly irritating to see the condescending incorrect view implied in escapist posts, but I am not skilled enough to further convey my feelings without getting suspended/banned so I'll just leave it at that.

The dreaded ctrl-alt-del, despite usually being a complete waste of life, accurately points out the impact real id will have on trolls; likewise penny-arcade has a scenario that for once isn't as exagerated as their scenarios usually are.
 

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SonofSeth said:
Eremiel said:
John Funk said:
If the person making the threat is doing so with THEIR real name attached to it, that's a very serious deterrent. It goes both ways, mind you - the MAD of the internet.
You're missing one thing though. The person making that threat or wishing you harm doesn't have to post at all. NO identification is required to browse the forums. Not even a WoW account is needed.

Imagine unknowingly beating some psycho in PvP. He resurrects, attacks you, you beat him again. He gets pissed off. Bigtime. He goes to the forums, finds a post you made, gets your name, finds your info, realises you live in the same/the neighboring town. He can do all this without ever posting a threat with his real name attached.

It'll also be massive amounts of fun to either be a girl or be a celebrity and play WoW now.
How does he find your post if the name in this post is your real name, not your character name?
That's great all you have to do is make sure you never ever reference your character on the forums. Though I suspect there might be several times this is desired since your discussing the game and your character name might be relevant to the discussion. Conversly I don't really see your real name being relevant to alot of discussions about tanking boss fights, or times you like to party up in star craft.
 

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John Funk said:
Treblaine said:
Publicising real names and identities just seems to be inviting vigilante justice. People are asshats on XBL because they are immature and detached from any immediate threat. But is it REALLY any solution to replace that with actual threats like "I know where you live Timmy McKormack".

Public Anonymity is VITAL for good online community along with good moderation of warnings, probation, bans, perma-bans and so on.
If the person making the threat is doing so with THEIR real name attached to it, that's a very serious deterrent. It goes both ways, mind you - the MAD of the internet.
The point here is that once they have your real name, they could threaten OUTSIDE of the forums. So maybe it will look like the forums are cleaner. But given the choice between obnoxious trolling on the internet and possible threats in real life, I'd choose the trolling.

Andy Chalk said:
Let's all take a breath and be realistic for a moment. How many psychos are likely to be looking you up once you start using your real name on the internet? The correct answer is, probably zero. You're not that interesting, you're not that important.
Unless you're a girl, in which case I'd rate the chances of you getting at least "facebook stalked" or "googled" as pretty high. But the key word here is "probably." They're still introducing that extra risk to the users for the sake of nicer forums. Is that really a worthwhile trade? Maybe for Blizzard, but not for the users.
John Funk said:
See, a company can do whatever they want on their own forums.
This is true, but that doesn't mean that it is therefore excusable. (Granted, this was in the context of somebody being rude to the staff, but I think this is an oft-used poor excuse for corporate actions.) When corporations do something objectionable, I tend to hear "Well, it makes sense they would do this: it makes money." Or "Well, it's not technically illegal" or something along those lines. But reasoning why an entity could/would behave a certain way is not an excuse for that action. The real question is whether they should do that.
The Rogue Wolf said:
I agree with this post. It's an unnecessary step which exposes users to extra risk when there are clearly less-risky alternatives which will accomplish the goal in the same way.

All that said, I don't have a personal investment in this, as I don't have an account on there. Whether that makes my commentary on it more or less worthwhile is up to you.
 

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I'm very glad i'm not really interested in Blizzards games, the last game of them i played was Diablo 2....
 

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MisterColeman said:
It's increasingly irritating to see the condescending incorrect view implied in escapist posts, but I am not skilled enough to further convey my feelings without getting suspended/banned so I'll just leave it at that.
Agreed.
But I would like to see the reactions of Escapists who scoff at those upset over this development should the Escapist require (in conjunction with an upcoming agreement with Facebook, among other things) a true first name/last name identity requirement to post here. Can you say, "batshit crazy"? Can you say, "for the hills"? And that includes editor/contributors - at least one of which I know does not use their real name here.

I admit it, I enjoy posting on the Blizzard forums (Drenden) - in fact, it may now be the most enjoyable aspect of the game to me. They're a smart bunch that are not full of themselves, and the closest thing to online friends I have. But I don't want them to drop by my house unannounced - let alone deal with the many folks I've pissed off by expressing my opinion.

If the change is implemented, I will likely leave - but not as a hissy fit (in fact, this is the first time I have seriously made the statement), but because I really have no choice.

Andy Chalk said:
It's not nearly as easy to act like a jerk, after all, when you're not protected by an impenetrable cloak of virtual invisibility. Which is obviously the whole point of the exercise,
Really? From a reporter? That's as deep as you look? All they would need to do to remove 95% of the trolling would be to give an account a single name chosen by the player. That would eradicate the anonymous lvl 1's that show up and make the truly chickenshit remarks. This whole revealing of one's actual account name? That smells to the high heaven of marketing department R & D.