Blizzard reveals Real Money Auction House Fees
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Wow, so many hypocrites in here. It's common sense that the middle man is going to take a small percentage of the profits from the transaction. It happens in EVERY SINGLE CASE. Any time someone sells something through someone else the third party is always going to take their share. honestly people should be happy that they are taking so little of your profits from this. Lets use an example of the same thing happening. I trade in a game and I get say $10 for it. That game store then goes on to sell that game for $20 - 30. Blizzard in this example would only be putting it up to roughly $15. Thats a significant difference if you do that on a regular basis.
Also, I have no intention on using real money in the auction house. All I'm going to be doing with it is selling to get in-game currency (might have some chucked to my battle net account) and by the off chance I buy something it will be using the in-game currency. No-one is forcing you to fork out hundreds of dollars getting the best equipment. Of course some people would be stupid enough to do so. That doesn't mean that you have to buy your way there as well. Everything can be earned through gameplay. If you want that high end stuff just crank the difficulty up to hardest.
Also, I have no intention on using real money in the auction house. All I'm going to be doing with it is selling to get in-game currency (might have some chucked to my battle net account) and by the off chance I buy something it will be using the in-game currency. No-one is forcing you to fork out hundreds of dollars getting the best equipment. Of course some people would be stupid enough to do so. That doesn't mean that you have to buy your way there as well. Everything can be earned through gameplay. If you want that high end stuff just crank the difficulty up to hardest.
I don't know; I'm more or less in favor of a system operating like this, mostly because it partially cuts out the annoyances of spam bots or the knowledge that you've got entitled idiots that are unwilling to actually play their game to get anywhere.
On the other hand, I'm sure Blizzard's auction house/market won't solve the gold-farming issue completely. Even if they do offer gold tiers for sale at specific real-world prices, I'm pretty sure the Chinese farms are going to adapt to provide a competitive (more inhuman and more grueling) service for the paying customer.
Not to mention that I'm pretty sure that no matter if items are generated online or offline, we'll eventually get something like a character editor. It might get a lot of people banned and it'll restart the whole "IT'S MY RIGHT TO CHEAT!" argument at places like CheatHappens, but it's going to happen anyway.
Plus, I'd need to find the BEST WITCH DOCTOR ITEM EVURRR to even vaguely consider putting down cash for something that's fundamentally free in a product that's already cost me sixty bucks. I'd do that for, oh, five seconds, and then move on.
This is a system that's going to be useful only for people who honestly believe that the builds posted on places like GameFAQs are the Word of God and that not respecting the item list to the letter will surely get you killed.
On the other hand, I'm sure Blizzard's auction house/market won't solve the gold-farming issue completely. Even if they do offer gold tiers for sale at specific real-world prices, I'm pretty sure the Chinese farms are going to adapt to provide a competitive (more inhuman and more grueling) service for the paying customer.
Not to mention that I'm pretty sure that no matter if items are generated online or offline, we'll eventually get something like a character editor. It might get a lot of people banned and it'll restart the whole "IT'S MY RIGHT TO CHEAT!" argument at places like CheatHappens, but it's going to happen anyway.
Plus, I'd need to find the BEST WITCH DOCTOR ITEM EVURRR to even vaguely consider putting down cash for something that's fundamentally free in a product that's already cost me sixty bucks. I'd do that for, oh, five seconds, and then move on.
This is a system that's going to be useful only for people who honestly believe that the builds posted on places like GameFAQs are the Word of God and that not respecting the item list to the letter will surely get you killed.
Working on the assumption that most of the transactions will be single to lower double digits, because, really, the common items will represent the bulk of the transactions, not the rare/unique ones...I don't think that percentage will be exactly "small".black_knight1337 said:
You know, more common items will circulate at a lower price, and there will be more of them, rarer and higher priced items will be, well, rarer, so relatively, Blizzard will be taking a rather large percentage. They'll be making cash not on those "ZOMG AWESOME EPIC!" items, but on the flood of lower-priced ones.
"Some", he says. Buddy, if only "some" people were dumb enough, that system wouldn't pay off for Blizzard.
Yeah well, no. Human psychology at work. It's not that simple. That's why the moment money can buy in-game advantage I say "fuck that".
Did anybody really not see this coming?
Of course you should expect fees, and while 15% seems a little steep to me, it's not really out of the question.
This is a business model. If you don't want them to take 15%, don't use the auction house.
Such is life.
Of course you should expect fees, and while 15% seems a little steep to me, it's not really out of the question.
This is a business model. If you don't want them to take 15%, don't use the auction house.
Such is life.
Yeah man, you can make money on the AH
As long as you keep the money in our pockets that is, if you want the money that you earn yourself, that will cost you
Jesus I can see it now, people rolling around with top notch gear that they got through begging their parents for the use of their credit cards.
Quite frankly I'm against it, the point of an rpg is that you earn gold/coins, and using those you buy items or materials from other players or npcs
It keeps it acting like a game, none of this 'whoever spends the most gets the best' crap
I hope to god they make it so using real world money does not get you very far, and the best items are acquired through hard work in game, but I severely doubt that
Hell, I don't even know if i'm looking forward to this game anymore.
As long as you keep the money in our pockets that is, if you want the money that you earn yourself, that will cost you
Jesus I can see it now, people rolling around with top notch gear that they got through begging their parents for the use of their credit cards.
Quite frankly I'm against it, the point of an rpg is that you earn gold/coins, and using those you buy items or materials from other players or npcs
It keeps it acting like a game, none of this 'whoever spends the most gets the best' crap
I hope to god they make it so using real world money does not get you very far, and the best items are acquired through hard work in game, but I severely doubt that
Hell, I don't even know if i'm looking forward to this game anymore.
People say "well don't use it then" and I agree, but its still a negative mark against the game.
Add that to the terrible customization, lack of skill choice, and DRM......
yea I'll stick to Torchlight 2. Cheaper, no drm, mods, better skill customization with skill TREES (remember when Diablo had those?)
Add that to the terrible customization, lack of skill choice, and DRM......
yea I'll stick to Torchlight 2. Cheaper, no drm, mods, better skill customization with skill TREES (remember when Diablo had those?)
Don't use it then...Don Savik said:
Yeah, I won't
It's the fact that the people who are using it are destroying you because of their clear advantage
The 3 separate game thing was pretty lame but I got over it. Nah, I just really didn't like the game. I was a very long time Brood Wars fan and Starcraft 2 basically shit in my face at every turn. I gave it a very solid chance, I played it a lot for about 6 months, and on and off another 6 months after that but I finally had to just give it up.girzwald said:
I keep hoping maybe it'll get better with future patches but so far it seems to be continuing in the opposite direction I'd like it to go.
I also thought the story was pretty terrible and I didn't like how the game was more of an action game than a strategy game.
I also played the D3 beta, and it was terrible for many of the same reasons I didn't like SC2, so it is sort of a trend that I expect to continue.
I'll still give their games a fair shake but none of them will ever get me excited again.
That's something, but the lack of lag just shows you have a hot connection, mine lagged pretty badly all the time and I have the best connection it's possible to get in my area. But that reminds me to add "Game is only playable when Blizzard's servers aren't experiencing heavy traffic" "Can't elect to play an old version if the "game needs patching" and "Can't download at the same time as playing" to the list of cons, alongside the obvious no permanent access to the game.Joseph Alexander said:if your playing alone(using the beta as proof here) you can pause, and i had next to no lag even while running a stream and downloading a FTP game on steam.Rack said:3) Play single player only. Put up with lag, the inability to pause or mod the game for absolutely no benefit. Occasionally need to grind the everliving fuck out of the game to proceed.Ranorak said:How is this feature screwing over people!?RJ 17 said:Ahhhh and Blizzard makes it's next great move in the battle to prove that they are still the undisputed champions in screwing over their fanbase. The contender, EA, is like the short scrappy fighter, landing many blows in a short period of time. Blizzard is like the heavyweight, slower to come out with such bullshit, but when they do it's a big punch.
You can buy the gear with in-game currancy.
You can still get the gear by killing the boss yourself (and with a bit of luck)
It just gives people that want the easy way out, a chance to do so. At the risk of losing money.
It's ALL OPTIONAL!
Blizzard are taking a percentage based cut (besides the $1 for the rmah). The percentage doesn't change. The only thing that is relevant to what your saying is the initial $1 they are taking (which is only for equipment). Who honestly would sell stuff at $1.25. Stuff thats valued that lowly would be early stuff and honestly who would want that when they can spend an hour and have better stuff. Also, most of the trading would be done on high end equipment not your cheap common stuff like you think. You would have to be stupid to actually pay for that kind of stuff.Vegosiux said:
EDIT: I took the what the op said as factual information(might of just misread). Now that I look at the official blizzard faq its a bit different. gold based auctions is 15% for everything. Theres no other fees involved with that at all so yeah, thats a small percantage much smaller than other services like this. With the rmah its a little different. For any for of equipment they are only taking $1 (or whatever the fee is for your region) and thats it. So thats pretty damn good for some of the really rare items that would no doubt be sold for some of the top end prices a cut of only $1 is nothing. For gems, dyes, crafting materials, gold and other 'stackable' items blizzards cut is 15%. That is a pretty damn small cut of your profits. So the only case I can see where what your saying is remotely true is really basic weapons and armour which are a complete waste of money anyway. Direct quote of source:
In the gold-based auction house, a 15% transaction fee will be deducted from the final sale price of a successful auction.
In the real-money auction-house, for equipment such as weapons and armor, a fixed transaction fee will be deducted from the seller for each piece of equipment successfully sold. This fee is assessed only if the item is sold. For commodities such as crafting materials, gems, gold, and other ?stackable? items, a 15% transaction fee will be deducted from the total sale price. Specific details related to the transaction fee for each real-money auction house are as follows:-Removed the table of prices-
In the real-money auction-house, for equipment such as weapons and armor, a fixed transaction fee will be deducted from the seller for each piece of equipment successfully sold. This fee is assessed only if the item is sold. For commodities such as crafting materials, gems, gold, and other ?stackable? items, a 15% transaction fee will be deducted from the total sale price. Specific details related to the transaction fee for each real-money auction house are as follows:-Removed the table of prices-
Yes it would be some. not some as in 10 people but some as in maybe 20% at the most that would waste hundreds of dollars on equipment. It would be fair to say most people would get most, if not all, of their stuff through gameplay.
Actually it is that simple. None of the items are restricted to the auction house. Everything can be earned through gameplay. That advantage would pretty much be nothing at release. The high end stuff isn't going to be up for auction for a while. Starting the game later (once the auction house is in full swing) would be the same as starting any other multiplayer rpg late. This way you have the opportunity to, if you want, buy some better stuff in order to catch up with everyone else.
Anyone who agrees that making a quarter is still more than tossing the thing away and making nothing.black_knight1337 said:
And don't get me started about the snot-nosed kids who will go into the game with high-falootin' dreams of making a fortune, trying to sell off every piece of rusted iron they get their hands on.
Oh, and Koreans.
Wasn't people being stupid kind of the point of your argument? You know, trading off a microtransaction for some convenience, even if it only takes a few more hours of gameplay?
Even so, I'd be inclined to believe that more trading would be done with things that are more readily available. Because it's just a lot more convenient, and because a small transaction isn't one you actually take a lot of time considering before making it.
I'm not too convinced. Especially going back to the cheap "uncommon" stuff and trading smaller amounts of money for some convenience.
Yes well, let's see how that turns out and how "optional" buying that stuff will be for multiplayer without also creating a rather uncomfortable rift in the community. I mean, take LoL for example, the stuff you buy with real cash is purely cosmetic there but still there are people who genuinely believe that throwing their money at Riot should give them the right to be a jerkass without repercussions "because they're doing more to support the developers".
My prediction is there are going to be serious flame wars within the community.
Firstly I made an edit to my last post after reading the figures from blizzard themselves, you would probably want to look at that.
Sure people would try to sell that kind of stuff but who honestly will buy? barely anyone and even then you would have to be pretty damn stupid.Vegosiux said:
The 'people being stupid' is for the low end stuff which is achieved pretty quickly from gameplay. At least with the unique items theres actually a point behind. That kind of stuff is pretty damn rare I'm not willing to pay a stack of money for it but I know alot of people would.
