Blizzard: Valve Shouldn't Trademark DotA

[the_pleasure_is_mine]

You're right. I don't believe Blizzard is acting completely selfless here. Sure, DotA originated in Warcraft, but if anyone should lay claim to the name it's the developers, who now work for Valve. And isn't it standard procedure to trademark a game that will be developed and sold in the future? It seems Blizzard isn't prepared to give up what it believes to be its own territory so easily...

Well the developers of League of Legends don't want Valve to hold the copyright either... and one of the devs who originally worked on DotA works for them now.

 

[JerrytheBullfrog]

If Valve doesn't Blizzard will. I would let Valve handle DoTA before Blizzard any day. Valve will make free stuff for it, Blizzard would make you pay for everything. Valve just has a better community. Maybe it's not the right thing to do if you concentrate on the moment. But it's the best thing and future will show that Valve is right to do this.

You... know the great irony in this is that Blizzard has already announced that not only will Blizzard DotA be a free game, they'll be supporting it for free after release? And Valve's DotA 2 will almost certainly be a game you need to pay to buy?

This post is hilariously ignorant.

I feel like Blizzard is saying this because they're afraid that Valve will take DotA and do something amazing that they couldn't do w/ it. This is Valve, btw. Sure they run on their own time schedual and have been making gamers wait for Episode 3 forever. But this is a company that released a sequel to a game a year later, and is updating both. A company that gives it's fav. crowd (PC) of gamers free DLC and amazing deals when the DLC comes out.

I feel like no matter what Valve does, they do everything to make up for it. If DotA is what it sounds like, Blizz might be scared that Valve makes a competetor to WoW and takes away from their millions of dollars of money

Blizzard still updates Diablo 2 and StarCraft 1, for free. You act like one company *hasn't* made one of the most legendary games of all time.

Christ, Valve fanboys are ridiculous.

Anyway, Blizzard is absolutely right. DOTA is a community acronym, and the fact that Blizzard DOTA is just a free map mod--and not a copyrighted name--shows that they understand this. Valve wants to trademark a name previously held by an entire community, not one man who has dubious claim to the name anyway.

That's outright disgusting.

 

[GoGo_Boy]

If Valve doesn't Blizzard will. I would let Valve handle DoTA before Blizzard any day. Valve will make free stuff for it, Blizzard would make you pay for everything. Valve just has a better community. Maybe it's not the right thing to do if you concentrate on the moment. But it's the best thing and future will show that Valve is right to do this.

So in short you're just some huge Valve fanboy. Valve will make free stuff for it? Did you know that DotA is actually fucking free? It's a mod/map after all.
But Blizzard would make us pay for everything? Oh gosh you're not only a fanboy but also a hater.

 

[JerrytheBullfrog]

Since CS and DoD both started out as mods for HL and then Valve hired the guys who made them then trademarked the names I think they are quite within their rights to Trademark DotA as they hired the guy who originally created the mod and he now heads up the Dev team responsible for DotA 2.

Blizzard should have hired him first and then there would be no dispute.

Just my 2 cents

Half-Life: a Valve game.

War3: A Blizzard game. DotA was made by the Blizzard community. This isn't Valve hiring someone out from their community, this is them stealing the name from some other community entirely. It's disgusting.

 

[Galaxy613]

well it sounds less that they think it should remain free and more like Blizzard want it.
They keep talking about it being available to the "blizzard community" etc.
Valve have Icefrog and it was his idea to get the trademark and make dota 2.
And icefrog is the authority when it comes to Dota, since he did most of the work. Blizz has no say in this since none of their employees were even part of the development process.

Somehow I can't see myself believing Blizzards mentioning this out of love for the community. Feels like an attempt at a "be the good guy" stunt to me.

... though I was a little curious about Valve and the whole trademarking DotA, all things considered (community focused project, etc...)

They seem to be doing the same thing they did with counter strike and Tf and portal.
They hire the modteam and trademark it.
Counter strike was a mod once too. And now valve owns the devs and trademark.

If IceFrog is the main dude behind DotA and is now working with Valve, then who are "some of DotA's original creators" that are challenging it?

 

[JerrytheBullfrog]

Man, Valve fanboys can be the worst kind of deluded. Do you really believe that Gabe Newell is out to give you things because he loves you all so huggy much?

 

[Christopher Dudgeon]

Since CS and DoD both started out as mods for HL and then Valve hired the guys who made them then trademarked the names I think they are quite within their rights to Trademark DotA as they hired the guy who originally created the mod and he now heads up the Dev team responsible for DotA 2.

Blizzard should have hired him first and then there would be no dispute.

Just my 2 cents

Half-Life: a Valve game.

War3: A Blizzard game. DotA was made by the Blizzard community. This isn't Valve hiring someone out from their community, this is them stealing the name from some other community entirely. It's disgusting.

Yes but TF was a quake mod and Valve developed it into one of the best Multiplayer games of all time and they are still updating it today.

They will do the same with DotA 2 just watch and see.

 

[John Funk]

well it sounds less that they think it should remain free and more like Blizzard want it.
They keep talking about it being available to the "blizzard community" etc.
Valve have Icefrog and it was his idea to get the trademark and make dota 2.
And icefrog is the authority when it comes to Dota, since he did most of the work. Blizz has no say in this since none of their employees were even part of the development process.

Somehow I can't see myself believing Blizzards mentioning this out of love for the community. Feels like an attempt at a "be the good guy" stunt to me.

... though I was a little curious about Valve and the whole trademarking DotA, all things considered (community focused project, etc...)

They seem to be doing the same thing they did with counter strike and Tf and portal.
They hire the modteam and trademark it.
Counter strike was a mod once too. And now valve owns the devs and trademark.

If IceFrog is the main dude behind DotA and is now working with Valve, then who are "some of DotA's original creators" that are challenging it?

Guinsoo and Eul, the two guys who were working with DotA before IceFrog.

 

[JerrytheBullfrog]

Since CS and DoD both started out as mods for HL and then Valve hired the guys who made them then trademarked the names I think they are quite within their rights to Trademark DotA as they hired the guy who originally created the mod and he now heads up the Dev team responsible for DotA 2.

Blizzard should have hired him first and then there would be no dispute.

Just my 2 cents

Half-Life: a Valve game.

War3: A Blizzard game. DotA was made by the Blizzard community. This isn't Valve hiring someone out from their community, this is them stealing the name from some other community entirely. It's disgusting.

Yes but TF was a quake mod and Valve developed it into one of the best Multiplayer games of all time and they are still updating it today.

They will do the same with DotA 2 just watch and see.

Valve has made one excellent multiplayer game, TF2. I'm not arguing that.

Blizzard has made at least six excellent multiplayer games. WC2, SC1, D2, WC3, WoW, SC2. The last five are still being updated, and with the exception of WoW, all the updates are for free. Blizzard is now adding four free new games to SC2, one of which is an (apparently awesome) take on DotA.

Sorry, I think I'll take the guys who make fantastic multiplayer in three different genres over the guy who just happen to make good FPS games.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Seems there is something more going on here then they're telling us, Valve isn't really known for these sort of stunts, but as everyone they do like money and I wouldn't put it past them.

On the other hand Blizzard will be roping in DotA when they build their own on SC2, so I'm not buying the "good guys" story for a moment, they only fear they may not be the first to tie down the cash cow.

I absolutely agree with the creators tho, it should remain in the public domain and should not be up for grabs to the first company with enough cash.

But I am still pondering on where Valve was going with this...

 

[Lemon Of Life]

This is really un-Valve like. I'm siding with Bliz on this one, but it really isn't that big of a deal.

 

[TitsMcGee1804]

Im a blizzard and a valve fanboy, and i have to wholehartedly disagree with blizzard

Valve make quality games...simple as, dota 2 is going to be a fantastic game made by talented people...who cares who is making money, who is losing out...the CONSUMERS are winning here

Blizzard could have trademarked the dota name, then made D3, then made the next 2 SC2's, then a new MMO, then probably warcraft 4, THEN made DOTA 2, release date 2020...

No, if you ask me, this trademark is with the right people, im so happy that valve is branching out from its FPS roots, and making a high fantasy game instead of zombies or science fiction

TF2 cost a third of a game via orange box, and over the years, its been expanded (for free) to be five times the size at launch...DOTA 2 is going to be excellent, i guarantee it, and i reckon valve should be safe to know that their hard work is protected by this trademark, they deserve it

blizz > valve though

edit: another point: would you rather have someone like EA or similar owning the rights? no...i thought not

 

[mikemart]

Since CS and DoD both started out as mods for HL and then Valve hired the guys who made them then trademarked the names I think they are quite within their rights to Trademark DotA as they hired the guy who originally created the mod and he now heads up the Dev team responsible for DotA 2.

Blizzard should have hired him first and then there would be no dispute.

Just my 2 cents

Half-Life: a Valve game.

War3: A Blizzard game. DotA was made by the Blizzard community. This isn't Valve hiring someone out from their community, this is them stealing the name from some other community entirely. It's disgusting.

Yes but TF was a quake mod and Valve developed it into one of the best Multiplayer games of all time and they are still updating it today.

They will do the same with DotA 2 just watch and see.

i think it has to do with the concept.... even it is sucessful they dont really make them selves look good to the blizzard community taking what was originally theres...

personally i think this kinda shows that Valve doesnt have much originallity.. they took 2 ideas to make them there own..

 

[mexicola]

Poor little indie developer Blizzard is outraged about Valve trying to trademark something that promises to bring a lot of money. How confusing this must all be to them.

 

[JerrytheBullfrog]

Seems there is something more going on here then they're telling us, Valve isn't really known for these sort of stunts, but as everyone they do like money and I wouldn't put it past them.

On the other hand Blizzard will be roping in DotA when they build their own on SC2, so I'm not buying the "good guys" story for a moment, they only fear they may not be the first to tie down the cash cow.

I absolutely agree with the creators tho, it should remain in the public domain and should not be up for grabs to the first company with enough cash.

But I am still pondering on where Valve was going with this...

How is "tying down a cash cow" releasing a game for free?

That's what I'm not getting. How are people complaining that Blizzard just wants to make money when they've said they're releasing and updating the game for absolutely free, just to test what's possible in their own editor?

 

[GoGo_Boy]

Why the fuck are people claiming Valve is releasing DotA 2 for free and Blizzard gonna make us pay for their DotA version when just YESTERDAY Blizzard announced 4 Blizzard-made mods, one including DotA Blizzard that'll be constantly developed and... guess what
everything FOR FREE.

So stop spouting random, wrong facts.

Oh and woah, Valve managed to balance some basic FPS games... congrats. While that indeed is an achievement compared to the usual incredible low development standard, it's still a joke compared to what Starcraft, Diablo and Warcraft is.

 

[Christopher Dudgeon]

Since CS and DoD both started out as mods for HL and then Valve hired the guys who made them then trademarked the names I think they are quite within their rights to Trademark DotA as they hired the guy who originally created the mod and he now heads up the Dev team responsible for DotA 2.

Blizzard should have hired him first and then there would be no dispute.

Just my 2 cents

Half-Life: a Valve game.

War3: A Blizzard game. DotA was made by the Blizzard community. This isn't Valve hiring someone out from their community, this is them stealing the name from some other community entirely. It's disgusting.

Yes but TF was a quake mod and Valve developed it into one of the best Multiplayer games of all time and they are still updating it today.

They will do the same with DotA 2 just watch and see.

Valve has made one excellent multiplayer game, TF2. I'm not arguing that.

Blizzard has made at least six excellent multiplayer games. WC2, SC1, D2, WC3, WoW, SC2. The last five are still being updated, and with the exception of WoW, all the updates are for free. Blizzard is now adding four free new games to SC2, one of which is an (apparently awesome) take on DotA.

Sorry, I think I'll take the guys who make fantastic multiplayer in three different genres over the guy who just happen to make good FPS games.

Valve did not just make one excellent Multiplayer game they hired 3 separate Dev teams, The TF guys, The CS guys and The DoD guys to make 3 EXCELLENT multiplayer games and now they have decided to recruit Icefrog to help create DotA 2 in the Source Engine just like the Dev teams above and CS is still the Quintessential Multiplayer game of all time and it pays the highest out in E-Sport leagues.

TF2 has been updated 120 times since release 3 years and 13 days ago just think what DotA 2 updates will be like since most of the new TF2 maps are COMMUNITY based.

 

[JerrytheBullfrog]

Since CS and DoD both started out as mods for HL and then Valve hired the guys who made them then trademarked the names I think they are quite within their rights to Trademark DotA as they hired the guy who originally created the mod and he now heads up the Dev team responsible for DotA 2.

Blizzard should have hired him first and then there would be no dispute.

Just my 2 cents

Half-Life: a Valve game.

War3: A Blizzard game. DotA was made by the Blizzard community. This isn't Valve hiring someone out from their community, this is them stealing the name from some other community entirely. It's disgusting.

Yes but TF was a quake mod and Valve developed it into one of the best Multiplayer games of all time and they are still updating it today.

They will do the same with DotA 2 just watch and see.

Valve has made one excellent multiplayer game, TF2. I'm not arguing that.

Blizzard has made at least six excellent multiplayer games. WC2, SC1, D2, WC3, WoW, SC2. The last five are still being updated, and with the exception of WoW, all the updates are for free. Blizzard is now adding four free new games to SC2, one of which is an (apparently awesome) take on DotA.

Sorry, I think I'll take the guys who make fantastic multiplayer in three different genres over the guy who just happen to make good FPS games.

Valve did not just make one excellent Multiplayer game they hired 3 separate Dev teams, The TF guys, The CS guys and The DoD guys to make 3 EXCELLENT multiplayer games and now they have decided to recruit Icefrog to help create DotA 2 in the Source Engine just like the Dev teams above and CS is still the Quintessential Multiplayer game of all time and it pays the highest out in E-Sport leagues.

TF2 has been updated 120 times since release 3 years and 13 days ago just think what DotA 2 updates will be like since most of the new TF2 maps are COMMUNITY based.

Yes, Valve makes CS and DoD. Those are "pretty good" multiplayer games, not "excellent" ones. TF2 is the only excellent multiplayer game Valve has. And guess what, they're STILL all FPS games. Valve hasn't shown any capability to make games that aren't FPSes, so I'll believe it when I see it.

And CS the quintessential multiplayer game of all time? Lol, have you SEEN Starcraft tournaments? StarCraft is THE e-sport.

Blizzard does multiplayer better than anyone else. Valve makes great singleplayer experiences (HL2, Portal) and one awesome multiplayer (TF2). I know who my money is on.

 

[steamweedlegoblin]

Valve and Blizzard going toe to toe with each other is something I'd pay good money to see. I hope this gets ugly!

 

[Christopher Dudgeon]

Since CS and DoD both started out as mods for HL and then Valve hired the guys who made them then trademarked the names I think they are quite within their rights to Trademark DotA as they hired the guy who originally created the mod and he now heads up the Dev team responsible for DotA 2.

Blizzard should have hired him first and then there would be no dispute.

Just my 2 cents

Half-Life: a Valve game.

War3: A Blizzard game. DotA was made by the Blizzard community. This isn't Valve hiring someone out from their community, this is them stealing the name from some other community entirely. It's disgusting.

Yes but TF was a quake mod and Valve developed it into one of the best Multiplayer games of all time and they are still updating it today.

They will do the same with DotA 2 just watch and see.

Valve has made one excellent multiplayer game, TF2. I'm not arguing that.

Blizzard has made at least six excellent multiplayer games. WC2, SC1, D2, WC3, WoW, SC2. The last five are still being updated, and with the exception of WoW, all the updates are for free. Blizzard is now adding four free new games to SC2, one of which is an (apparently awesome) take on DotA.

Sorry, I think I'll take the guys who make fantastic multiplayer in three different genres over the guy who just happen to make good FPS games.

Valve did not just make one excellent Multiplayer game they hired 3 separate Dev teams, The TF guys, The CS guys and The DoD guys to make 3 EXCELLENT multiplayer games and now they have decided to recruit Icefrog to help create DotA 2 in the Source Engine just like the Dev teams above and CS is still the Quintessential Multiplayer game of all time and it pays the highest out in E-Sport leagues.

TF2 has been updated 120 times since release 3 years and 13 days ago just think what DotA 2 updates will be like since most of the new TF2 maps are COMMUNITY based.

Yes, Valve makes CS and DoD. Those are "pretty good" multiplayer games, not "excellent" ones. TF2 is the only excellent multiplayer game Valve has. And guess what, they're STILL all FPS games. Valve hasn't shown any capability to make games that aren't FPSes, so I'll believe it when I see it.

And CS the quintessential multiplayer game of all time? Lol, have you SEEN Starcraft tournaments? StarCraft is THE e-sport.

Blizzard does multiplayer better than anyone else. Valve makes great singleplayer experiences (HL2, Portal) and one awesome multiplayer (TF2). I know who my money is on.

Yeah Starcraft is a massive E-Sport......In SOUTH KOREA!!!! CS is still the big Draw to Western E-Sport leagues with TF2 following close second.