I can't say I liked either a whole lot but pretty much all of the issues I had with Saints Row 3 compared to Saints Row 2 have to do with the gameplay and the world design, not with the writing. Yes, the writing in SR3 was a lot zanier and cartoonier than it was in SR2 but so was that of SR2 compared to that of SR1. SR3 could have had the tone it had and still been a great game and a worthwhile succesor to the series. But instead they had to phone in the actual game design and make a game with mostly unmemorable missions, set in a mostly unmemorable environment.ObsidianJones said:
I'll likely never play Borderlands 3, but when it comes to BL2, there is no comparison. The humor in SR3 blows BL2 out of the water. Borderlands 2 can't even bring itself to say the word 'fuck', while Saints Row 3 allowed you to eqiup a giant, purple dildo bat. And yet they were both rated 'M' for mature, 17+.ObsidianJones said:
I'm pretty lukewarm on both versions - I get a few good laughs here and there out of both but its not like I'm in tears the whole time - but SR3 definitely fell into the same trap that BL2 did in terms of not being able to pick a damn tone. SR3 had a hacker guy that you tron to death, a muchalibre wrestler that you unmask, and then a monster truck driver turfwar gang leader played super straight, who's wife you orchestrate the death of and who takes your (least characterized) buddy for a scrape forcing a mercy kill. There's something wrong there right? BL2 did the same thing - lots of poo humour, crazy characters, general weirdness, so don't try for a heartwrenching "you killed my daughter" monolog right after I killed some weird critter while a mechano-englishman shouts in my ear about the joy of the hunt.ObsidianJones said:
Using the operative I produced a glass cannon pretty much by investing in every skill that does "something" with a grenade and then putting the clone on F and the drone on G. After enough points in those and the skill recharge rate improvements the field is basically an eternal hellfire of grenade detonations and splash. It got even better when I found a grenade mod that splits them into 3. My clone throws them, my drone throws them, my gun throws them - andvthey don't use an ammo counter, just a chance to activate and a cooldown. Its great. I kill myself a lot though.Kyrian007 said:
To be fair I have finished the game and the villians end up being pretty well explained and justified by the end of it. I do feel like the Villian's are being poorly judged based on people's bias towards shitty Youtube/Twitch personalities, but frankly I thought they were fine and the writing does a good job of making you wanna kill the fuckers by the end of the game. So if the story's main mission is to make you want to defeat the bad guys, then this story does a good job of it.Silentpony said:
I'm not sure what to make of Surge 2. I saw Jim's video this morning praising it, but then I read the Escapist review trashing it. Basically they had completely opposite experiences. Jim thinks its a tightly-controlled, well balanced Dark Souls clone with great combat, but the Escapist says is a buggy mess with terrible controls, repetitive and easily broken combat and an undisciplined messCritialGaming said:
It's buggy on console it seems. But on PC it is great, smooth, tight, no problems. So I guess platform is important this time around.Silentpony said:
I also don't mind the villains, they do make me want to kill them, and that is kind of the point. And I agree about the microtransactions ESPECIALLY with the "as of now" caveat. I would not put that past TakeTwo once any review period is in the rear view.CritialGaming said:
That will happen, Its the way I start out every character in Borderlands. Take only defensive, mainly passive, perks until I have enough points to get a good start on the build I want, then respec into that when I inevitably hit the "too much defense, not doing enough damage" wall. I like doing it that way because a: I don't like getting killed, and this minimizes the number of deaths (even though death is toothless in BL because all you lose is worthless money.) And b: it allows me to get a cache of weapons and ideas for builds around similar types of weapons. Problem with 3 so far, I haven't hit a wall. My all-defense continues to be able to dish out enough damage. Although to be fair my luck with getting orange guns seems to be carrying over so that may be to just having good gear as opposed to the game just being too easy. I actually wish I could give you the latest orange grenade mod I got (unless it IS the one you are talking about.)EvilRoy said:
It is a MIRV like grenade, but it bounces around... and splits into 3 every time it bounces, I think 4-6 or so times. I've just been using it by throwing a couple in small enclosed areas and then using my shield skill to seal the entrance shut.EvilRoy said:
I'll update my complaint... because my complaints were addressed in an update. The results, a resounding meh. Maliwan bolts move faster now, still are slower than bullets and very easily dodged. "Warm up" times were decreased... but not eliminated, and some guns let you warm up by holding the trigger and firing on release. Yea... I guess, still pretty awkward to use. And now, elemental damage from Maliwan has been buffed to a ridiculous level. The message being, "get good with these shitty guns because elemental effects from other manufacturers will be pissweak comparatively."Kyrian007 said:
I found another useful one... and it seems to be mislabeled and a ***** to use. I think it is a Dahl machine gun secondary effect. It turns your assault rifle into a shotgun. The damage is listed as ridiculously high, but it doesn't seem to actually do the damage listed. Plus it constantly reverts back to normal fire when you reload, and seems to re-activate with a random number of shots until a reload and auto-reverting again. And it is unclear how much ammo it uses (it should really be listed.) That being said, it does decent damage (seemingly about as much as a Jacobs of a similar level.) So it is a pain in the ass, but not a bad idea if it worked well.Kyrian007 said:
Thats interesting because I've found Maliwan guns to be pretty good, especially the shotguns. Maybe I started playing after they buffed them. You aren't supposed to use them like regular guns, the majority of their damage comes from their status effects so I found it more useful to hip fire Maliwan rather than go for crits and miss due to the charge up. The alt fire modes aren't bad but a lot aren't terribly useful either. The Vladof bipod attachment is pretty neat though, it makes their guns super accurate at the cost of some movement speed, although this does lead to their assault rifles dipping into Dahl's niche.Kyrian007 said:
Yeah, that could be playstyle. I prefer ironsights and crits rather than bullet spray. I'm also maximizing the operative's Playing Dirty skill, making a majority of my shots fire an unlisted extra bullet... i.e. free 2x damage multiplier, but only for the 5 bullets after a kill meaning less effective for automatics than single shots. That skill will probably be another nerf, as the extra shot seems to have no loss of accuracy and will always crit if shot would have critted. Until then I'm enjoying steamrolling everything with 1-shots from Jacobs weapons.Dansen said:
Have the balance/bug updates started to chill out? I actually set aside the game for a little while after the effectiveness of a loadout completely changed in the span of a day and I got a little annoyed when I thought about the purple items I had just snubbed which would now probably fix my loadout back to what I wanted.Kyrian007 said:
They're still making changes, I imagine it will be an ongoing process for quite some time. I really can't gauge much of what they are changing, because at this time I've really only played 2 Zane builds, my initial all defense build and when I switched I went for your suggested glass cannon random grenade spawner and in the process found my Playing Dirty exploit build along the way. Both of which are medium to long range Jacobs sniper and pistol and Torgue shotguns heavy. And those haven't been played with much balance wise. Now I've started again with Amara, and maybe here I'll see some more difference in balance. You caught me complaining about the big changes they made and have started to correct with Maliwan? while not using a build that really needed them. I was thinking how frustrating it would be for people trying for element heavy builds rather than any real frustration I was facing. Funny fact, on the same day that Dansen replied to me about liking Maliwan shotguns I actually found a really amazing corrosive Maliwan shotgun that really helped fill in some gaps in fighting heavily armored foes that are hard to critical. So I've been lucky, the balance changes really have only helped me so far, or haven't really hurt at any rate. So I'm not the best person to ask, I've been lucky so far.EvilRoy said:
Is it more or less cringey than Torgue banging on about friendzoning and toxic masculinity?Silentpony said:
Borderlands has never been well written. It comes off as something written by failed screen-writers in their 40s spending a coffee and tears filled week searching KnowYourMeme for what the kids are into.Johnny Novgorod said:
